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I heard IDS on radio 4 this morning talking about the spare room subsidy- but the question is did he mean Help to Buy or did he mean the bedroom tax- both involve a state subsidy that allows people to occupy more space than they could afford to occupy without state aid.

So why- according to IDS- is one of these spare room subsidies a bad thing and the other a good thing?

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I heard IDS on radio 4 this morning talking about the spare room subsidy- but the question is did he mean Help to Buy or did he mean the bedroom tax- both involve a state subsidy that allows people to occupy more space than they could afford to occupy without state aid.

So why- according to IDS- is one of these spare room subsidies a bad thing and the other a good thing?

From IDS's viewpoint a person who is on housing benefits is a losing scrounger who deserves to be punished if they have too much space whereas someone who wants to benefit from HTB is an aspirational winner who deserves to be helped to get more space :lol:

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From IDS's viewpoint a person who is on housing benefits is a losing scrounger who deserves to be punished if they have too much space whereas someone who wants to benefit from HTB is an aspirational winner who deserves to be helped to get more space

Yes- I think you've nailed it- so its not socialism itself that IDS objects to, it's socialism for the wrong people he objects to. And this is reflected in the fact that the under occupied space he lives in is itself located on a Farm in receipt of large agricultural subsides.

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Yes- I think you've nailed it- so its not socialism itself that IDS objects to, it's socialism for the wrong people he objects to. And this is reflected in the fact that the under occupied space he lives in is itself located on a Farm in receipt of large agricultural subsides.

Yes his farm subsidies. The question is who are the "scroungers" in society and what part of society is benefiting the most? I would guess it's those at the top.

I always wonder..... do people like IDS not see the hypocrisy in themselves or do they see it but don't give a stuff?

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From IDS's viewpoint a person who is on housing benefits is a losing scrounger who deserves to be punished if they have too much space whereas someone who wants to benefit from HTB is an aspirational winner who deserves to be helped to get more space :lol:

When i was looking for a house a few years ago on shared ownership I was told that, as at the time it was just myself and my wife, I could not have a 3 bedroom house.

Has this changed for help-to-buy?

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Yes his farm subsidies. The question is who are the "scroungers" in society and what part of society is benefiting the most? I would guess it's those at the top.

I always wonder..... do people like IDS not see the hypocrisy in themselves or do they see it but don't give a stuff?

They are strongly educated from birth to see themselves as self-made. The alternative, after all, would be to admit that they don't deserve everything they have, and that's a VERY hard step for anyone to make.

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When i was looking for a house a few years ago on shared ownership I was told that, as at the time it was just myself and my wife, I could not have a 3 bedroom house.

Has this changed for help-to-buy?

I saw an news item on channel 4 showing a couple who had bought a 5 bedroom house using help to buy- no kids seemed to be involved so there don't seem to be any limits on spare bedrooms for this scheme.

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I saw an news item on channel 4 showing a couple who had bought a 5 bedroom house using help to buy- no kids seemed to be involved so there don't seem to be any limits on spare bedrooms for this scheme.

Yes, I found that report a bit hard to take. They said that without Help to Buy they could only have afforded to start at the bottom of the ladder with a 2 bed house but now they'd been able to buy a 5 bed place instead. :ph34r:

Edited by oldsport

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Yes- I think you've nailed it- so its not socialism itself that IDS objects to, it's socialism for the wrong people he objects to. And this is reflected in the fact that the under occupied space he lives in is itself located on a Farm in receipt of large agricultural subsides.

If we had any socialist politicians left, your first sentence would make a wonderful soundbite.

Brilliant! :lol:

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To be fair its not IDS's farm..

For over the years, the farm business operating off the country estate part-owned by Duncan Smith's son – with the minister's wife as a trustee – has received well over a million pounds in taxpayer subsidies. Swanbourne Home Farms, run in partnership between the minister's in-laws, Baron and Baroness Cottesloe, brother-in-law Thomas, and cousin Richard Brooks, has been given €1,517,535 over a 10-year period in funding from the EU. It has also been the recipient of grants understood to be worth tens of thousands of pounds from Natural England. Described by the EU as "income support" for farmers, these common agricultural policy payments were established by the 1957 treaty of Rome to ensure "fair standard of living for the agricultural community". None of it goes to the Duncan Smiths. "Neither Iain Duncan Smith or his wife receive any income whatsoever from the Swanbourne Estate," his spokesman says. And few would quibble with the payments themselves. Still, it shows that the best of us need a hand from time to time.

http://www.theguardi...in-duncan-smith

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I saw an news item on channel 4 showing a couple who had bought a 5 bedroom house using help to buy- no kids seemed to be involved so there don't seem to be any limits on spare bedrooms for this scheme.

Interesting forward thinking plan. :unsure: Get the big family house before any children are born. Saves having to move in the near future with a growing family in tow.

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To be fair its not IDS's farm..

My point is that IDS's own living arrangements are subsidized by taxpayer's money- so do we have right to ask how many spare bedrooms this 1.5 million quid is helping to maintain?

The minister responsible for cutting income support for the poor, Iain Duncan Smith, lives on an estate owned by his wife's family. During the last 10 years it has received €1.5m in income support from taxpayers.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/jul/01/farm-subsidies-blatant-transfer-of-cash-to-rich

For a man who is so publicly against people being supported by taxpayers he seems remarkably sanguine about his own family enjoying precisely the same treatment.

The man is a a self righteous hypocrite why styles himself a champion for change but in reality represents the worst kind of elitist entitlement culture.

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My point is that IDS's own living arrangements are subsidized by taxpayer's money- so do we have right to ask how many spare bedrooms this 1.5 million quid is helping to maintain?

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/jul/01/farm-subsidies-blatant-transfer-of-cash-to-rich

For a man who is so publicly against people being supported by taxpayers he seems remarkably sanguine about his own family enjoying precisely the same treatment.

The man is a a self righteous hypocrite why styles himself a champion for change but in reality represents the worst kind of elitist entitlement culture.

Wouldn't seem as bad if he could do his job.

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I take it that MPs are allowed "spare rooms" on the properties that they have as second homes, paid for by the tax payer...

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I take it that MPs are allowed "spare rooms" on the properties that they have as second homes, paid for by the tax payer...

Good question- I suspect the answer is yes.

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