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I said I'd report back when my electric car (BMW i3) arrived. I just hadn't expected the wait to be so long!

But it's been well worth the wait. Forget the fact that it's an EV; it's stonkingly fun to drive. Mrs JTB prefers it to her 3 litre E Class Merc. Amazing acceleration. I'm not sure that, technically, the 0-60 is anything stunning but it's all more immediately on tap than is the case with a conventional car. And, of course, silent.

Everyone asks about range (it was certainly my first question). It's very variable - depending on speed, temperature, air con settings etc. All I can say is that there's plenty of range. Did 70 miles on a mix of motorway speed A roads and some slower roads last week and there was still 20 miles on offer. And, of course, there was a magically full tank next morning - as there is every morning. It surprising how nice that is. As is having the car pre-heated when you get into it.

The design is odd. But it's growing on me. In fact, I'd go so far as to say I'm getting to really like it. It is much, much better in the flesh (well, the carbon fibre) than in pictures. The interior is a comfortable place to be - and looks good (a blend of leather, wood and technology); especially the dash and computers.

As I said back in my original thread, it's an interesting experiment. So far, so good.

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How much does it cost to charge it every night?

Not 100% sure, as I haven't hooked up a kilowatt-counter (while I know the battery size and the unit price, there must be some charging losses). But I think it's of the order of a couple of quid from empty to full.

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I said I'd report back when my electric car (BMW i3) arrived. I just hadn't expected the wait to be so long!

But it's been well worth the wait. Forget the fact that it's an EV; it's stonkingly fun to drive. Mrs JTB prefers it to her 3 litre E Class Merc. Amazing acceleration. I'm not sure that, technically, the 0-60 is anything stunning but it's all more immediately on tap than is the case with a conventional car. And, of course, silent.

Everyone asks about range (it was certainly my first question). It's very variable - depending on speed, temperature, air con settings etc. All I can say is that there's plenty of range. Did 70 miles on a mix of motorway speed A roads and some slower roads last week and there was still 20 miles on offer. And, of course, there was a magically full tank next morning - as there is every morning. It surprising how nice that is. As is having the car pre-heated when you get into it.

The design is odd. But it's growing on me. In fact, I'd go so far as to say I'm getting to really like it. It is much, much better in the flesh (well, the carbon fibre) than in pictures. The interior is a comfortable place to be - and looks good (a blend of leather, wood and technology); especially the dash and computers.

As I said back in my original thread, it's an interesting experiment. So far, so good.

I find it odd that so many HPC whingers drive such high spec cars, whether electric or combustion.

Not saying that you personally are an HPC whinger, but the general point holds I think.

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I find it odd that so many HPC whingers drive such high spec cars, whether electric or combustion.

Not saying that you personally are an HPC whinger, but the general point holds I think.

Can't afford a house so spend it on a broom broom?

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Can't afford a house so spend it on a broom broom?

Maybe, but that would be a little hypocritical for the typical HPC denizen. Wanton consumption and all that...

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£26k?

Yes, I believe that's what they start at. Before you start ticking boxes on the options form!

I almost added to the reply about electricity costs that saving money wasn't the object of this particular exercise. If it were, I'd have stuck to my HPC frugalesque bicycle which runs on Mars bars (or, on this forum, Aldi own-brand Mars bar clones).

This car is an a dabble with new technology - out of curiosity. Profits from my last dabble with new technology helped pay for it (bitcoin FTW!).

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Maybe, but that would be a little hypocritical for the typical HPC denizen. Wanton consumption and all that...

I agree. I'm usually fairly hard over with my anti-consumerism. But Mrs JTB has a job she has to travel to every day and, flagrant wastrel that she is, she refuses to get the bus. What choice does a man have in that scenario?

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Not 100% sure, as I haven't hooked up a kilowatt-counter (while I know the battery size and the unit price, there must be some charging losses). But I think it's of the order of a couple of quid from empty to full.

That's impressive. How long to charge at one of the motorway service station points?

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That's impressive. How long to charge at one of the motorway service station points?

Well, there's the rub just now. The i3 uses the European standard for rapid charging - but most UK rapid points fit the Japanese standard. As of this month they're starting to upgrade them. What fun, eh?

So I've not actually tried a rapid charge yet - but the spec says 30 minutes I think.

That said, I don't ever expect to use public charging much. The car covers all our motoring to destinations within 40 miles or so of home - which represents practically all our driving.

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Maybe, but that would be a little hypocritical for the typical HPC denizen. Wanton consumption and all that...

A half decent car is probably my only other vice (apart from having a semi decent music collection)....

What's the battery life expectancy like on them? five years?

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That said, I don't ever expect to use public charging much. The car covers all our motoring to destinations within 40 miles or so of home - which represents practically all our driving.

Do you have to pay for public charging, and if so how much?

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What's the battery life expectancy like on them? five years?

No one knows! Mine was one of the very first off the production line. BMW are pretty confident though; it comes with an 8 year warranty. And they've been running biggish fleets of semi-production EVs for several years now so they presumably have some degree of clue. The battery chemistry is one of the better choices for longevity - much better than Tesla.

Time will tell.

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Do you have to pay for public charging, and if so how much?

There are various companies offering it. Frankly it's a bit of a mess just now but it'll probably shake out over the coming years.

Ecotricity don't, er, charge - you don't even need to be a customer. That'll change at some point but they're saying they'll be charging at rates lower than fossil fuels per mile.

The other biggy for public charging is Chargemaster and they're starting charging next month. I think they offer either a monthly subscription or a PAYG option. I've read that they'll be matching fossil fuel costs. Or, at least that was their plan until the EV forum members started basically saying sod that, I'll send my card back.

Personally, I don't see public charging as being key to running an EV.

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No one knows! Mine was one of the very first off the production line. BMW are pretty confident though; it comes with an 8 year warranty. And they've been running biggish fleets of semi-production EVs for several years now so they presumably have some degree of clue. The battery chemistry is one of the better choices for longevity - much better than Tesla.

Time will tell.

Does the warranty on the battery kick in, only if the battery, once charged, wont hold its charge above, say 50%?

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Does the warranty on the battery kick in, only if the battery, once charged, wont hold its charge above, say 50%?

That would be a pretty meaningless warranty; 50% is very, very low and state of charge does not reflect achievable range. Haven't got the details to hand but when I pored over the small print it was reasonable - and, given the battery chemistry and the UK climate (very hot ambient temps cause degradation) I'm not expecting the warranty to be needed. I found a set of calculations/extrapolations for the Nissan Leaf and, iirc, they point to 12 years in the UK climate before degradation to 80%. Also, the BMW - unlike the Leaf - uses only part of the full battery capacity so there's a chunk of degradation that'll be invisible even when it happens. I've seen figures of 20 years chucked around - admittedly by battery specialists - but this is really all speculation.

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That would be a pretty meaningless warranty; 50% is very, very low and state of charge does not reflect achievable range. Haven't got the details to hand but when I pored over the small print it was reasonable - and, given the battery chemistry and the UK climate (very hot ambient temps cause degradation) I'm not expecting the warranty to be needed. I found a set of calculations/extrapolations for the Nissan Leaf and, iirc, they point to 12 years in the UK climate before degradation to 80%. Also, the BMW - unlike the Leaf - uses only part of the full battery capacity so there's a chunk of degradation that'll be invisible even when it happens. I've seen figures of 20 years chucked around - admittedly by battery specialists - but this is really all speculation.

I believe the example I gave was of an iPad... :D

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Nice :-)

I am seriously tempted by this car (if only I had the money)

321 mile range

0-60 4.2 seconds

130mph top speed

free recharging across the UK

http://www.teslamotors.com/en_GB/models/design

The car dealer cartel are getting jumpy, especially as Consumer Report voted Tesla best overall car

My link

Garages fear Tesla's plans to phase out car servicing

http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2014-03/17/tesla-eliminates-services

Congrats Op, I watched the making of doc . I find the carbon, ally & plastic construction so exciting as well as electric drive

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The car dealer cartel are getting jumpy, especially as Consumer Report voted Tesla best overall car

My link

Garages fear Tesla's plans to phase out car servicing

http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2014-03/17/tesla-eliminates-services

Congrats Op, I watched the making of doc . I find the carbon, ally & plastic construction so exciting as well as electric drive

Well if i was trying to sell mercs, jags and bmws etc in the same price bracket as the tesla I would be seriously worried.

For starters, anyone in central london in the charging zone earning high wages who is in the market for a luxury car would be daft to get anything else. That's a big chunk of the market.

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I said I'd report back when my electric car (BMW i3) arrived. I just hadn't expected the wait to be so long!

But it's been well worth the wait. Forget the fact that it's an EV; it's stonkingly fun to drive. Mrs JTB prefers it to her 3 litre E Class Merc. Amazing acceleration. I'm not sure that, technically, the 0-60 is anything stunning but it's all more immediately on tap than is the case with a conventional car. And, of course, silent.

Everyone asks about range (it was certainly my first question). It's very variable - depending on speed, temperature, air con settings etc. All I can say is that there's plenty of range. Did 70 miles on a mix of motorway speed A roads and some slower roads last week and there was still 20 miles on offer. And, of course, there was a magically full tank next morning - as there is every morning. It surprising how nice that is. As is having the car pre-heated when you get into it.

The design is odd. But it's growing on me. In fact, I'd go so far as to say I'm getting to really like it. It is much, much better in the flesh (well, the carbon fibre) than in pictures. The interior is a comfortable place to be - and looks good (a blend of leather, wood and technology); especially the dash and computers.

As I said back in my original thread, it's an interesting experiment. So far, so good.

Congrats. Ignore the whingers. Please keep us posted on your experiences with this vehicle.

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