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Public Sector Hourly Pay Outstrips Private Sector Pay

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What a load of misleading ********. Most people are working at my grade and earning £18k per year... not counting part timers of whom there are many.

Divide and conquer.

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What a load of misleading ********. Most people are working at my grade and earning £18k per year... not counting part timers of whom there are many.

Divide and conquer.

Have you worked in the private sector ?

A friend of mine works full time, £16K per year, for a private firm, no pension, no money, he's near breaking point, he has 2 kids to support.

I could cry for him when I see him.

Take your hard done by public sector rhetoric and shove it where the private sector sun dont shine.

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Yes I have worked in the private sector. Nowhere did I say I was hard done by, if you read my post again you'll hopefully see that.

Just pointing out we aren't all on megabucks with a final salary pension.

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Have you worked in the private sector ?

A friend of mine works full time, £16K per year, for a private firm, no pension, no money, he's near breaking point, he has 2 kids to support.

I could cry for him when I see him.

Take your hard done by public sector rhetoric and shove it where the private sector sun dont shine.

I wonder what would happen if we factored in the 'state subsidy' to low paying private companies..

If we added in the extra benefits paid to low hourly rate staff in the private sector. Would that go some way to redressing this issue?

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For doing a similar job, the lower paid work is better paid in the public sector, and the benefits are better......for the highly paid the skies the limit in the private sector........the differentials between the lowest paid and the highest paid is far greater in the private sector. ;)

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Meh.

The ONS said that taking all those factors into account, then the private sector's average weekly pay rates in 2013 were in fact between 1.3% and 2.4% higher than those of the public sector.

You're expecting Universities to race to the bottom with McDonalds and Tesco.

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Have you worked in the private sector ?

A friend of mine works full time, £16K per year, for a private firm, no pension, no money, he's near breaking point, he has 2 kids to support.

I could cry for him when I see him.

Take your hard done by public sector rhetoric and shove it where the private sector sun dont shine.

So the answer is to hack away at the pay and benefits in the public sector..

Or just read the article..

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Private Sector v Public Sector

Private Tenants v Social Tenants

Immigrants v non immigrants

Ho Moanerz v non moanerz

Tory v Labour

Benefits v 'strivers'

The usual divide and rule which has kept a corrupt British elite in clover for hundreds of years

Don't fall for it.

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What a load of misleading ********. Most people are working at my grade and earning £18k per year... not counting part timers of whom there are many.

Divide and conquer.

This just doesn't seem possible. The median private sector worker can't possibly earn less than a public sector worker (excluding pensions).

I have a feeling there is a lot of undeclared income in the private sector and 1/2 man companies who pay themselves through dividends and a very low salary. Even the BBC were forcing senior presenters to do this to save national insurance, a large salary bill and show a smaller headcount (people didn't look at expenses as much which the accounting line for paying for professional services).

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This is idiotic, they arent comparing like-for-like jobs. Obviously a NHS doctor gets paid more than someone who works the checkout in Tesco's.

For equivalent skilled jobs, the pay in the private sector is always going to be a lot higher

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Anecdotal but if you'd seen some of the terrible designs that "engineers" from the private sector put on my desk that would probably cripple the public maintenance purse by 10 times my salary (slightly above national average btw), you can understand the need for some jobs to be taken by the best of the best in order to detect when the tax payer is being screwed by the private sector, or even from incompetence and corruption within.

Of course that makes no excuses for the thousands wasted on non jobs, vanity projects and corruption, and without sounding too up myself I don't see many people like me with the skills honesty and motivation that the taxpayer deserves (he says via his phone at his desk).

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Have you worked in the private sector ?

A friend of mine works full time, £16K per year, for a private firm, no pension, no money, he's near breaking point, he has 2 kids to support.

I could cry for him when I see him.

Take your hard done by public sector rhetoric and shove it where the private sector sun dont shine.

Isn't the objection always raised to the socialist ethos that they want to drag everyone down to the same level? Which is what you seem to be arguing here in some way.

Surely the correct private sector response is to advise your friend to quit his job and get one that is better paid?

Rather than adopting the position that if your friend is poor then the solution is to make other people poor too- which on the face of it is exactly how socialism is parodied by the free market evangelists.

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They'll soon have their very own party back in power spending like no tomorrow.

I love the BBC journo's analysis.

'What the ONS has done is look at exactly WHY the public sector is better paid (on average). As similar studies have shown before, it is mainly because the public sector employs (on the whole) better educated, more highly skilled and more experienced staff. Plus there are more big employers. Strip out all these things and the pay premium switches around. But that is statistical manipulation (involving regression analysis), not the real world.'

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Anecdotal but if you'd seen some of the terrible designs that "engineers" from the private sector put on my desk that would probably cripple the public maintenance purse by 10 times my salary (slightly above national average btw), you can understand the need for some jobs to be taken by the best of the best in order to detect when the tax payer is being screwed by the private sector, or even from incompetence and corruption within.

Of course that makes no excuses for the thousands wasted on non jobs, vanity projects and corruption, and without sounding too up myself I don't see many people like me with the skills honesty and motivation that the taxpayer deserves (he says via his phone at his desk).

...are you being serious..?... :rolleyes:

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Time to declare my vested interest as a public sector worker.

Sure, the average middle-aged middle-class property-owning public sector worker may be able to survive with an aggregated pay-rise of 2% over the last five years combined.

But for the majority of public sector workers I wouldn't say they have it in clover, anything but. Things are tough and I don't see them getting any better with this or any other 'recovery'. Personally speaking I am ready to leave the public sector and try my hand on the outside.

Then it'll be clearer who has it easier!

But let's not have any more of this divide and conquer bull. The majority of public sector staff provide valuable services and anyway, the artificial divide is coming down with the growth of commissioned services.

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This is idiotic, they arent comparing like-for-like jobs. Obviously a NHS doctor gets paid more than someone who works the checkout in Tesco's.

For equivalent skilled jobs, the pay in the private sector is always going to be a lot higher

That's exactly what the article says - when you make suitable mix adjustments private sector is higher.

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But let's not have any more of this divide and conquer bull. The majority of public sector staff provide valuable services and anyway, the artificial divide is coming down with the growth of commissioned services.

Copmedy gold.

The public sector forcefully take my money and use it to provide services (inefficiently ) to people who don't really need them and certainly couldn't afford them out their own pocket...this profits who ? the public sector and or their cronies. I paying to be regulated. I am paying to be controlled. I am paying for others to have a better life than me. I am paying BTL landlords.

Let people keep their own money and spend it on the services they need and want. Let the peolpe who can't afford these services work harder to pay for them themselves. BTW, im not talking basic services like bin collection and nor am I talking starving people or leaving them without a roof over their heads, we are talking things like the council bunging the local theatre money, bus companies etc etc etc

the public sector is part of the the government, the public sector is part of the problem.

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Councils are sacking all the front line staff

can't say I've noticed a great deal of difference in the service provided.

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Well we will soon know if you are right, Count of Nowhere, you're describing the world we are moving to.

See you here in 10 years...I'm happy to accept if this world proves better than the one we are leaving.

But I get tired of the cynicism that says that all our problems are variously (depending on the debate) all down to bankers/public sector workers/politicians/corporations/EU/unions (delete as applicable). Not picking on you in particular here, but if I want that sort of contradictory bitterness I'll read the Daily Mail.

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