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http://www.bbc.co.uk...dshire-26433965

A council in Oxfordshire has agreed to buy 462 acres (187 hectares) of land where hundreds of people can build their own homes.

Up to 1,900 self-build properties are to be built on the Ministry of Defence (MoD) site in Bicester, following the purchase by Cherwell District Council.

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There goes that State again, interfering in the 'free markets.' :lol:

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I think it's a good idea (at the moment)

Council buys the land at farm land prices £10k per acre and then gets sewerage, roads, drainage, telco etc. put in.

The plots are then sold at land cost+utilities.

What's not to like?

The only obstacle I can see to a decent development being built are the governments enforced housing density targets which are deliberately designed to ensure that new housing does not undermine the value of older low density properties.

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The only obstacle I can see to a decent development being built are the governments enforced housing density targets which are deliberately designed to ensure that new housing does not undermine the value of older low density properties.

Yeah. A government enforced 40 houses a hectare does make it harder to realise your self build dreams. You have to go for the Grand Designs, squeezed between two London terraces style from the off.

I still think it could be a welcome development though, and this one bit the first I've seen over the last 12 months. Does seem at the larger, more ambitious end though.

Financing key too, as self build financing still very niche over here, not that it needs to be as other countries manage fine with majorities of homes built this way.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk...dshire-26433965

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There goes that State again, interfering in the 'free markets.' :lol:

Good. I hope it is a big success. I used to live round the corner from that site, and it'll be great to see it put to good use. The main problem will probably be traffic congestion onto the A41 towards the M40/Oxford as this is close to Bicester Village and traffic often gets snarled up there.

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This is also going on near Bicester:

Eco Town

It's turning into development central round there.

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Financing key too, as self build financing still very niche over here, not that it needs to be as other countries manage fine with majorities of homes built this way.

Is there anything to stop e.g. German self-build financing specialists operating over here? I could see them getting interested if more schemes like this are announced.

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Is there anything to stop e.g. German self-build financing specialists operating over here? I could see them getting interested if more schemes like this are announced.

I doubt there is anything from a legal sense but they may not be so comfortable with a different housing market, especially one so rigged as ours.

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This is also going on near Bicester:

Eco Town

It's turning into development central round there.

I love those style of houses. Modern looks but just the shape a kid would draw a house. Even though I currently live in a Victorian terrace I still baulk at modern terraces for some reason, can't get my head around living in one.

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Yeah. A government enforced 40 houses a hectare does make it harder to realise your self build dreams. You have to go for the Grand Designs, squeezed between two London terraces style from the off.

I still think it could be a welcome development though, and this one bit the first I've seen over the last 12 months. Does seem at the larger, more ambitious end though.

Financing key too, as self build financing still very niche over here, not that it needs to be as other countries manage fine with majorities of homes built this way.

250m2 per house is tiny for family homes and will increase build costs per house, as to have a decent house and a small bit of garden you will need to have a real basement with garage, ground floor and upper floor squeezed onto about 90m2 of landspace.

Otherwise I think this is a brilliant idea and should be multiplied countrywide by a factor of 1000.

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250m2 per house is tiny for family homes and will increase build costs per house, as to have a decent house and a small bit of garden you will need to have a real basement with garage, ground floor and upper floor squeezed onto about 90m2 of landspace.

Otherwise I think this is a brilliant idea and should be multiplied countrywide by a factor of 1000.

I got an offer of a 300sqm plot for £45k yesterday and baulked at the ides of living on a plot that small.

Who do I vote for for bigger plot sizes?

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250m2 per house is tiny for family homes and will increase build costs per house, as to have a decent house and a small bit of garden you will need to have a real basement with garage, ground floor and upper floor squeezed onto about 90m2 of landspace.

Otherwise I think this is a brilliant idea and should be multiplied countrywide by a factor of 1000.

I assume that why developers would prefer less density than governments.

Unfortunately I'm not sure we have much in the way of basement building skills over here any more. The full size basements in both the places my mum lived in in Zurich were fantastic uses/creaters of space though and definitely something we should aim for over here.

Certainly all the self build ideas I have in my head have them, although if a self build ever becomes reality for me the cost may soon remove them.

I can't imagine the plot my terraced house is on is much bigger than 150m2. Although all you get is terrace and small garden. A detached wouldn't really be possible.

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This seems exactly what a lot of us on here would call for (if there was a place to call for it).

I don't know what the plan there is, but if you were buying, what sort of oversight/restrictions would you want? On style/size/layout of houses etc? or would you be happy with a free for all?

Maybe areas could be themed, so a mix of styles that work together are allowed in that area. Demand would dictate how new areas are allocated.

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This seems exactly what a lot of us on here would call for (if there was a place to call for it).

I don't know what the plan there is, but if you were buying, what sort of oversight/restrictions would you want? On style/size/layout of houses etc? or would you be happy with a free for all?

Maybe areas could be themed, so a mix of styles that work together are allowed in that area. Demand would dictate how new areas are allocated.

I'd like to see a similar large scale, self-build development with mandated passive house standards, and very few restrictions on design other than that.

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250m2 per house is tiny for family homes and will increase build costs per house, as to have a decent house and a small bit of garden you will need to have a real basement with garage, ground floor and upper floor squeezed onto about 90m2 of landspace.

Otherwise I think this is a brilliant idea and should be multiplied countrywide by a factor of 1000.

You realise that 90m2 is considered a reasonably sized 2 storey house in the uk?

Let alone 3 storeys on a 90m2 footprint!

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I don't know what the plan there is, but if you were buying, what sort of oversight/restrictions would you want? On style/size/layout of houses etc? or would you be happy with a free for all?
Easy, you can only build so big for every quarter acre plot you own.

Works in lots of other places. You end up with lots of styles, from different periods separated by lots of trees. Walking down the street you get to comment on all the houses on display. Freedom is risky, but on the whole much better than rows of identikit hovels.

Unfortunately I can't show you some examples as Google Street View hasn't made it to some of the small German towns I've lived in that were built along these lines.

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I think it would be nice to have some kind of theme, like a colour palette of a few bricks, cladding and tiles that sit together well then a bit of a free for all outside of that. As long as faux-Grecian pillars are banned in all forms, obviously.

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Easy, you can only build so big for every quarter acre plot you own.

Works in lots of other places. You end up with lots of styles, from different periods separated by lots of trees. Walking down the street you get to comment on all the houses on display. Freedom is risky, but on the whole much better than rows of identikit hovels.

Unfortunately I can't show you some examples as Google Street View hasn't made it to some of the small German towns I've lived in that were built along these lines.

Well-designed common styles can produce attractive rows of identical housing though, there's plenty from the past that demonstrate the principle. That said it'll be very interesting to see what we end up with here. As you say freedom is risky but this is very much worth a try.

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Easy, you can only build so big for every quarter acre plot you own.

Works in lots of other places. You end up with lots of styles, from different periods separated by lots of trees. Walking down the street you get to comment on all the houses on display. Freedom is risky, but on the whole much better than rows of identikit hovels.

I suppose there will be some larger plots, but the plot size mentioned (average?) doesn't allow for houses separated by trees though, or much set back from the road unless you don't want a back garden.

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I suppose there will be some larger plots, but the plot size mentioned (average?) doesn't allow for houses separated by trees though, or much set back from the road unless you don't want a back garden.

That figure wasnt in relation to this site, just an average I'd seen.

Victorian/urban terrace 60-80 per hectare

Modern executive 5 - 10

20th century garden city 30 - 40

Suburban semi 15 - 30

I read recently about developers complaining councils wanted 35 - 40 per hectar too.

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You realise that 90m2 is considered a reasonably sized 2 storey house in the uk?

Let alone 3 storeys on a 90m2 footprint!

I know, but the typical UK house sizes are a disgrace. If the bl*ody EU are so keen on human rights legislation, how about 35m2 minimum of total useable floorspace for each bedroom in a property, that's a human rights issue IMO.

In the figure I quoted in the earlier post I'm not actually being that ambitious - 90m2 exterior will translate to less useful floor space per storey, say 70m2 or maybe a bit more if good-quality prefab highly-insulated walls. That makes a total of 210m2 - in the basement quite a bit of that would be taken up with the garage and the room containing the heat-exchange ventilation machinery(I'm assuming bringing UK house-building out of the 19th century as you see) so the total useable floorspace would be around 165m2 which is OK for a family house but not mansion standards.

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I know, but the typical UK house sizes are a disgrace. If the bl*ody EU are so keen on human rights legislation, how about 35m2 minimum of total useable floorspace for each bedroom in a property, that's a human rights issue IMO.

In the figure I quoted in the earlier post I'm not actually being that ambitious - 90m2 exterior will translate to less useful floor space per storey, say 70m2 or maybe a bit more if good-quality prefab highly-insulated walls. That makes a total of 210m2 - in the basement quite a bit of that would be taken up with the garage and the room containing the heat-exchange ventilation machinery(I'm assuming bringing UK house-building out of the 19th century as you see) so the total useable floorspace would be around 165m2 which is OK for a family house but not mansion standards.

Who needs space when you are both out all day to pay for it and the kids are at the childminders/teachers.....all you need is a place to cook and wash, a warm comfy bed for the night, to be up bright and early for the next shift......think of all the cleaning it will save you. ;)

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I suppose there will be some larger plots, but the plot size mentioned (average?) doesn't allow for houses separated by trees though, or much set back from the road unless you don't want a back garden.

So much the better (when it comes to setting back). If I could move my house forward and therefore shove the front garden into extra back garden space I'd do it right away. Smaller front gardens give better-looking streets too IMO.

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Who needs space when you are both out all day to pay for it and the kids are at the childminders/teachers.....all you need is a place to cook and wash, a warm comfy bed for the night, to be up bright and early for the next shift......think of all the cleaning it will save you. ;)

How about a nice one of these:

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I read recently about developers complaining councils wanted 35 - 40 per hectar too.

They do that by having apartment blocks included in a development. Ball park figures I use are 10 houses per acre, so 22 per hectare. If some of those plots are used for apartment buildings then you could get to the 35-40 dwellings per hectare without squeezing the houses together too much. Besides who has the time or desire to do a lot of gardening these days.

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