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Telegraph 27/1/14

'Net migration has risen to its highest point since 2011 in a blow to the Government's pledge to cut levels to the "tens of thousands" by the next general election. The surge was partly driven by a huge increase in the number of Romanian and Bulgarian citizens coming to Britain, which jumped 166 per cent from 9,000 to 24,000 year-on-year.

The Office for National Statistics said estimates for the 12 months to the end of September revealed a net flow of 212,000 migrants to Britain, compared with 154,000 the previous year.

It now seems highly unlikely that David Cameron, the Prime Minister, and Theresa May, the Home Secretary, will be able to meet the net migration pledge.

Commentators said it was "game over" for the election promise while Nigel Farage, the UK Independence party (Ukip) leader said the figures showed "just how out of control" the government was on immigration.

The number of National Insurance numbers given to foreigners - an important indicator of immigration levels - showed a 19 per cent rise to 617,000 in 2013.

There were huge surges in the number of citizens coming to Britain to work from European Union countries which have been hardest hit by the economic crisis.

Data showed the number of Italians registering rose 66 per cent to 44,000, with other countries showing other large increases including Portugal (up 47 per cent, up to 30,000 people) and Spain (up 36 per cent to just under 52,000).

Poland also saw a large rise with 39 per cent more coming here last year, 111,000 compared with 80,000 in 2012.

Of the Romanian and Bulgarian immigrants, seven out of 10 said they were coming here to work and the rest to study.

The two countries joined the EU on January 1, 2007, and restrictions which had limited their citizens' access to the UK job market were lifted at the start of this year.

Against a backdrop of growing concerns of an influx of Romanians and Bulgarians to the UK, and a surge in popularity for Ukip, the Prime Minister last year unveiled a series of tough measures designed to clamp down on abuse of free movement between EU member states.

James Brokenshire, the immigration minister, highlighted aspects of the ONS figures which showed fewer people from outside the EU came to Britain last year.

"Our reforms have cut non-EU migration to its lowest level since 1998 and there are now 82,000 fewer people arriving annually from outside the EU than when this government came to power," he said.

"And overall figures are also well down from when we first came to government in 2010 - with nearly 70,000 fewer migrants coming to the UK.

"Numbers are down across the board in areas where we can control immigration, but arrivals from the EU have doubled in the last year.

"The Government is ensuring that our controls on accessing benefits and services, including the NHS and social housing, are among the tightest in Europe."

He added: "We cannot impose formal immigration controls on EU migrants, so we are focusing on cutting out the abuse of free movement between EU member states and seeking to address the factors that drive European immigration to Britain.

"We are building an immigration system that is fair to British citizens and legitimate migrants, that is tough on those who abuse the system or flout the law, and that ensures people come to the UK for the right reasons - to work hard and contribute to our economy and society."'

Aside from emotional arguments about sovereignty,in an era when we're borrowing heavily to fund the welfare state/NHS/Education system,one does wonder just how much longer the system can creak on without some sort of break down.

One also wonders why these yoy increases in population haven't resulted in higher rents across the board?

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'Net migration has risen to its highest point since 2011 in a blow to the Government's pledge to cut levels to the "tens of thousands" by the next general election. The surge was partly driven by a huge increase in the number of Romanian and Bulgarian citizens coming to Britain, which jumped 166 per cent from 9,000 to 24,000 year-on-year.

Weren't some MPs going to Luton airport to count them on January 1st. Are the MPs still there :lol: .

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Telegraph 27/1/14

'Net migration has risen to its highest point since 2011 in a blow to the Government's pledge to cut levels to the "tens of thousands" by the next general election. The surge was partly driven by a huge increase in the number of Romanian and Bulgarian citizens coming to Britain, which jumped 166 per cent from 9,000 to 24,000 year-on-year.

The Office for National Statistics said estimates for the 12 months to the end of September revealed a net flow of 212,000 migrants to Britain, compared with 154,000 the previous year.

It now seems highly unlikely that David Cameron, the Prime Minister, and Theresa May, the Home Secretary, will be able to meet the net migration pledge.

Commentators said it was "game over" for the election promise while Nigel Farage, the UK Independence party (Ukip) leader said the figures showed "just how out of control" the government was on immigration.

The number of National Insurance numbers given to foreigners - an important indicator of immigration levels - showed a 19 per cent rise to 617,000 in 2013.

There were huge surges in the number of citizens coming to Britain to work from European Union countries which have been hardest hit by the economic crisis.

Data showed the number of Italians registering rose 66 per cent to 44,000, with other countries showing other large increases including Portugal (up 47 per cent, up to 30,000 people) and Spain (up 36 per cent to just under 52,000).

Poland also saw a large rise with 39 per cent more coming here last year, 111,000 compared with 80,000 in 2012.

Of the Romanian and Bulgarian immigrants, seven out of 10 said they were coming here to work and the rest to study.

The two countries joined the EU on January 1, 2007, and restrictions which had limited their citizens' access to the UK job market were lifted at the start of this year.

Against a backdrop of growing concerns of an influx of Romanians and Bulgarians to the UK, and a surge in popularity for Ukip, the Prime Minister last year unveiled a series of tough measures designed to clamp down on abuse of free movement between EU member states.

James Brokenshire, the immigration minister, highlighted aspects of the ONS figures which showed fewer people from outside the EU came to Britain last year.

"Our reforms have cut non-EU migration to its lowest level since 1998 and there are now 82,000 fewer people arriving annually from outside the EU than when this government came to power," he said.

"And overall figures are also well down from when we first came to government in 2010 - with nearly 70,000 fewer migrants coming to the UK.

"Numbers are down across the board in areas where we can control immigration, but arrivals from the EU have doubled in the last year.

"The Government is ensuring that our controls on accessing benefits and services, including the NHS and social housing, are among the tightest in Europe."

He added: "We cannot impose formal immigration controls on EU migrants, so we are focusing on cutting out the abuse of free movement between EU member states and seeking to address the factors that drive European immigration to Britain.

"We are building an immigration system that is fair to British citizens and legitimate migrants, that is tough on those who abuse the system or flout the law, and that ensures people come to the UK for the right reasons - to work hard and contribute to our economy and society."'

Aside from emotional arguments about sovereignty,in an era when we're borrowing heavily to fund the welfare state/NHS/Education system,one does wonder just how much longer the system can creak on without some sort of break down.

One also wonders why these yoy increases in population haven't resulted in higher rents across the board?

Because the figures may be inaccurate, some people may be travelling back and forth across borders in some cases, they may be sleeping six to a floor as well when they are here, and are probably staying with their own private contacts, not UK BTL mugs?

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"We are building an immigration system that is fair to British citizens and legitimate migrants, that is tough on those who abuse the system or flout the law, and that ensures people come to the UK for the right reasons - to work hard and contribute to our economy and society."'

Is "building" one of those code words. Like house building.

Meaning it never happens and even when it does it's so slow as to be imperceptible.

Edited by billybong

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'Net migration has risen to its highest point since 2011 in a blow to the Government's pledge to cut levels to the "tens of thousands" by the next general election. The surge was partly driven by a huge increase in the number of Romanian and Bulgarian citizens coming to Britain, which jumped 166 per cent from 9,000 to 24,000 year-on-year.

The Office for National Statistics said estimates for the 12 months to the end of September revealed a net flow of 212,000 migrants to Britain, compared with 154,000 the previous year.

So not only has it not reduced the levels to "tens of thousands" but last year the number actually increased by about 40% and now seems to be higher than for the majority of the years during NuLabour's time.

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I recently had a conversation with someone who is an immigration offer. He said even if we closed the borders today and didn't let a single person in there would still be an several years worth of backlogged work to get through.

He also said a lot of illegals get into the country, then give themselves up when they want to go home so they get a free ride back to their home country then come right back over again. Apparently only 1 in 10 cars at the border are checked so getting through is quite easy you just have to be unlucky to be that 1 in 10.

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What do you expect?

The Conservatives never had ANY intention of lowering immigration.

Labour, Liberal and Conservative all support and encourage mass immigration.

Well it does keep the price of servants cheap,a not inconsiderable cost if you're running two or three homes.

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What do you expect?

The Conservatives never had ANY intention of lowering immigration.

Labour, Liberal and Conservative all support and encourage mass immigration.

Of course they didn't. They have all got property empires, they are all coming up to retirement and need to bolster the bottom level of the health and state pension ponzi scheme. As long as immigration is a net tax savings during boomers lifetimes they will turn a blind eye. Will not be their problem the cost of retiring immigrants for decades after about 2050, boomers will be dead.

Short term wonga for boomers, shaftation of generation x and y, long term cataclysmic consequences for those under about 35.

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Well it does keep the price of servants cheap,a not inconsiderable cost if you're running two or three homes.

Especially if, like Dave, you own so many homes you've simply lost count.

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What do you expect?

The Conservatives never had ANY intention of lowering immigration.

Labour, Liberal and Conservative all support and encourage mass immigration.

Because its the easiest way way to fake "growth" and cover the Governments interest payments.

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Because its the easiest way way to fake "growth" and cover the Governments interest payments.

...so people growth is substituting real industrial and export growth.....still, more people will consume more, consumption growth is better than no growth at all......all we have to provide is houses and jobs that will pay the house price costs or else the gap between the have and have nots will continue to grow much wider and we all will end up falling into into the widening gap. ;)

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Caught between the twin pincers of endless unlimited immigration and a huge portion of the older population becoming nimbys, HPC in the near term looks remote.

And it pisses me off.

Tackle the former and the latter becomes a non-issue. It's mostly cause and effect, not twin pincers. Anyway, I still firmly believe that population vs. houses is a smaller issue towards getting an HPC than sentiment and speculation.

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[http://haywoodscampaigner.blogspot.co.uk/2011/12/list-of-38-broken-tory-promises-in-2011.html

"Broken Promise # 38 Immigration. David Cameron's "no ifs no buts" promise to reduce immigration to tens of thousands lays in tatters. It has been revealed that immigration as risen by 21% over the past year. "

If you lie to get the job of PM...isn't that fraud ?

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Tackle the former and the latter becomes a non-issue. It's mostly cause and effect, not twin pincers. Anyway, I still firmly believe that population vs. houses is a smaller issue towards getting an HPC than sentiment and speculation.

I know people who believe that HPC is impossible because of immigration. Therefore I believe immigration control, sentiment and speculation are one issue not three.

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I know people who believe that HPC is impossible because of immigration. Therefore I believe immigration control, sentiment and speculation are one issue not three.

They're certainly all factors which affect house prices and influence each other to various degrees. I'd say sentiment and speculation are more closely tied though.

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Every time the Coalition claims a 'recovery' is happening in the UK, yet more young Spaniards, Italians, Poles and Bulgarians pack their bags and get on the coaches.

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