SarahBell Posted November 27, 2005 Share Posted November 27, 2005 Well the option is for people to say they don't like it and not use the ferries if they feel that strongly about job losses. Any savings in cases like this aren't passed on to consumers they're just bigger company profits. Hasn't one company bought call centres back from india due to complaints? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Posted November 27, 2005 Author Share Posted November 27, 2005 Dispute escalates - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/4475436.stm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Charlie The Tramp Posted November 27, 2005 Share Posted November 27, 2005 Dispute escalates - The dispute is set to escalate after port workers said they would not handle a ferry arriving from France on Sunday. Solidarity, the new era begins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sithclone7 Posted November 27, 2005 Share Posted November 27, 2005 This is just a transient, Polish workers are here because Germany or the other nearby countires aren't doing so well, travel is very cheap at the moment, the Poles like the Irish of old go where the opertunities are. Come the 2007 Recession, they'll move on to the better performing european countries, especially if travel costs increase (Oil; EasyJet going bust ?), it's only because Brown postponed the UK Recession that they turned up here. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml...23/ntory223.xml Migrants go home. Extract from above :- "Experience suggests that migrant workers are just that: they come here to work and nothing more. Just 5 per cent of the Eastern Europeans who arrived last summer came with dependants. The rest left their families at home. The likelihood is that, if the work dries up, the migrant workers will quickly return home. During the last recession in 1991-92, the number of foreign workers in London fell from 1.1 million to 740,000 within a year." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mushroom Posted November 27, 2005 Share Posted November 27, 2005 Solidarity, the new era begins. I doubt it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Charlie The Tramp Posted November 27, 2005 Share Posted November 27, 2005 I doubt it. Yes, you are probably right, the lions are now totally submissive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mushroom Posted November 27, 2005 Share Posted November 27, 2005 Yes, you are probably right, the lions are now totally submissive. "The System", it would appear, at least at the moment, wins. I offer as one example, Rt. Hon. Alan Johnson MP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Charlie The Tramp Posted November 27, 2005 Share Posted November 27, 2005 "The System", it would appear, at least at the moment, wins. I offer as one example, Rt. Hon. Alan Johnson MP. Now more than ever before change is constant and inevitable - it can be managed but it can't be stopped.In Lampedusa's great novel 'the Leopard', the hero Tancredi, surveying the collapse of the old order in 19th century Italy, says, 'For everything to stay the same, everything must change.' We have an opportunity to shape that change in accordance with our principles and our beliefs, or be overwhelmed by it, to the detriment of the people you represent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wrongmove Posted November 27, 2005 Share Posted November 27, 2005 Beg to differ - I don't believe the economics or public opinion will allow for this 'retirement at 60' to fly - watch out for a U-turn.. In today's Times: Brown rips up deal to retire at 60 "GORDON BROWN is prepared to risk confrontation with the unions and other cabinet ministers by tearing up a controversial deal under which public sector workers will continue to retire at 60. The chancellor, who is furious about last month’s pact negotiated by Alan Johnson, the trade and industry secretary, is ready to use this week’s report by the Pensions Commission to block the deal. The move yesterday angered unions, who have threatened to bring out 3m workers on strike. There were also signs of cabinet conflict when a spokesman for Johnson’s department said that to go back on the deal would be “absolutely mad”. Lord Turner, author of the report, is expected to recommend a rise in the pension age to 67 when he announces his findings on Wednesday. Brown believes that if public sector workers retain their retirement age of 60 it means that Britain will have a two-tier workforce, unacceptable to taxpayers and the private sector...." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkG Posted November 27, 2005 Share Posted November 27, 2005 The move yesterday angered unions, who have threatened to bring out 3m workers on strike. But would anyone notice? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SarahBell Posted November 27, 2005 Share Posted November 27, 2005 YEs if they're bin men! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonytramcar Posted November 27, 2005 Share Posted November 27, 2005 Most heavy freight lorries on the M25 are from Eastern Europe. Does anyone know if they are practicing cabotage ( i.e. transporting a load within the UK only)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesteve Posted November 27, 2005 Share Posted November 27, 2005 "Public sector wage inflation this year was huge, compared to the private sector, and while private sector wages are likely to be impacted more next year, the ever-expanding public sector will get some form of protection from their unions, strike action etc. Basically, it looks like a good time to be working for the government. It's a no-brainer - better wages/wage inflation, better job security, 'key worker' affordable-housing schemes, etc." FIREFIGHTERS IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR GET about £30,000 whilst in the public sector its £25850 or thereabouts after four years of service ,anyone here a firefighter in the private sector to confirm what someone else told me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoredTrainBuilder Posted November 28, 2005 Share Posted November 28, 2005 Most heavy freight lorries on the M25 are from Eastern Europe. Does anyone know if they are practicing cabotage ( i.e. transporting a load within the UK only)? Hope so - ideal way to keep UK hauliers on their toes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GCS15 Posted November 28, 2005 Share Posted November 28, 2005 Milk the system for all it's worth. Take the p155. This way the system will collapse and the public can go back to being productive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HPCheese Posted November 28, 2005 Share Posted November 28, 2005 FIREFIGHTERS IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR GET about £30,000 whilst in the public sector its £25850 or thereabouts after four years of service ,anyone here a firefighter in the private sector to confirm what someone else told me? Take-home salary isn't the end of the story. Generally speaking private sector workers don't have union protection. Job security : Union fights for jobs Wage protection : Union negotiates compensation Pensions : Union campaigns for pensions There are other benefits to working in the public sector. Take these 2 people: - A works in the public sector in London. - B works in the private sector in London. - A is currently buying a flat with the help of a key worker scheme. If house prices fall A should be ok because his deposit has been payed for by the taxpayer. - B works in the private sector, earns more money than A but is saving for a deposit. If house prices fall B will be plunged into negative equity. - A's wages rose more last year than B's because he works in the public sector. - B works in a more competitive environment with performance-related pay-rises. - A has a union protecting his job against cheap EE labour. - B is at risk of being 'off-shored'. - If A holds onto his job, he can retire when he's 60. - B will have to work till he's at least 65/67. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justice Posted November 28, 2005 Share Posted November 28, 2005 At least most of the workers from the eastern block are just that and are workers which makes them a dam site better than the DHSS dependants we have been getting over the past 30 years. You won’t see any ghettos in the UK full of poles that won’t mix with general society whilst screaming about being discriminated against. I’m going to go on a fact finding mission to Bulgaria and Poland and might even profit from the re-levelling of Europe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpd Posted November 28, 2005 Share Posted November 28, 2005 One point I can't understand - the most expensive employees in a company sit on it's board of directors. Now there are many successful, multi-lingual, highly educated and experienced businessmen and women in countries where the wages are much lower than the UK. Does it not make sense then for shareholders to insist that the board is 'outsourced' or 'offshored' to save costs? I mean, surely what is good for the goose has to be good for the gander. Any director of a company should offer to resign before any worker is replaced by a migrant, as the former is a far greater overhead to the company. Maybe this should be suggested to the board of Irish Ferries? They should recruit executive headhunters to start the search to replace themselves, as they are the most expensive employees. It's in the shareholders' interest after all. Globalisation - very nice for the priveleged few, a potential disaster for the rest of us (because the levelling of pay and benfits around the world will be downwards - not up) One nice anecdote - my friend works for a company who supply contact centres and he was asked to investigate 'quality problems' by a customer who had outsourced their CC to India. He sat and listened to all the recorded problem calls and concluded the problem wasn't technical at all - the customers simply couldn't understand what the CC staff were saying because of their accents. Ho ho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkG Posted November 28, 2005 Share Posted November 28, 2005 the customers simply couldn't understand what the CC staff were saying because of their accents. Yep. I've often found that Indian call center staff can't understand me and I can't understand them... I was always particularly impressed when it was a junk call from some company trying to tell me something and I couldn't understand more than a few words of their sales spiel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogbox Posted November 28, 2005 Share Posted November 28, 2005 Globalisation - very nice for the priveleged few, a potential disaster for the rest of us (because the levelling of pay and benfits around the world will be downwards - not up) 'We' are to blame. The other day I was talking to a freind. She is a staunch socialist and allways banging on about 'the workers'. In the next breath she informed us what good value IKEA is, as she had just bought new table and chairs at for peanuts! SHE DOES'NT CONNECT HER ACTIONS WITH OUTSOURCING! IKEA and other value operators make major use of Eastern European low wage manufacturing. WE ALL SHOULD TAKE A BIT MORE CARE IN OUR BUYING HABITS BEFORE WE START SLAGGING - OFF THE RISE OF THE MIGRANT WORKER / OUT - SOURCING. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiseman Posted November 28, 2005 Share Posted November 28, 2005 Chinese immigrants are known to have been crammed living for decades in the uk. As an anecdote, my father was doing building work in a Chinese Restuarant. He noticed they had a bed sharing shift system going. As an extreme, a previous Tv documentary on nightmare tenants had 18 Chinese people living in a 3 bed BTL. I couldn't believe they had the cheek to refuse to leave unless they got their deposit back ! Why shouldn't they get their deposits back? I can't see why they should get kicked out at all. If the place wasn't damaged what right has the ll to keep the deposit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuyingBear Posted November 28, 2005 Share Posted November 28, 2005 - If A holds onto his job, he can retire when he's 60. - B will have to work till he's at least 65/67. Firemen and police retire at 55. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest struthitsruth Posted November 28, 2005 Share Posted November 28, 2005 Firemen and police retire at 55. in the case of the police force, if you'd joined from leaving school age, retirement can be at 46 yrs of age ! "The British government is rightly proud that it is increasing the number of police officers. At the same time, however, around 3,000 police officers retire each year from the service, having completed the standard full term of 30 years." http://society.guardian.co.uk/publicvoices...,830273,00.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battenberg Posted November 28, 2005 Share Posted November 28, 2005 At least most of the workers from the eastern block are just that and are workers which makes them a dam site better than the DHSS dependants we have been getting over the past 30 years. You won’t see any ghettos in the UK full of poles that won’t mix with general society whilst screaming about being discriminated against. I’m going to go on a fact finding mission to Bulgaria and Poland and might even profit from the re-levelling of Europe. Did you see Trevor Mcdonald the other night? It seems that some companies are finding that the Polish workers are great employees because they turn up on time, pull there weight and don't keep moaning about everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mushroom Posted November 28, 2005 Share Posted November 28, 2005 Did you see Trevor Mcdonald the other night? It seems that some companies are finding that the Polish workers are great employees because they turn up on time, pull there weight and don't keep moaning about everything. So, therefore virtually every worker in this country should ask theirself "could I be replaced by someone from Eastern Europe?". You'd better believe it, many employers would love it. As our Prime Minister has said, and I paraphrase, "Globalisation is a reality and we have to meet the challenges that this brings". As someone said in another topic recently though, pity we can't outsource our MPs and him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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