interestrateripoff Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2567858/Why-swastikas-carved-stonework-council-offices-completed-outbreak-WWII.html Nazi symbols adorn part of stone façade above door at Essex County HalL Hall in Chelmsford, was completed in 1939, year Second World War started Council will respond with explanation under Freedom of Information Act A council is investigating why swastikas are carved into the stonework of its offices after a member of the public spotted the masonry 75 years after the building was built. A row of the infamous Nazi symbols adorn part of the stone façade above a door at Essex County Hall in Chelmsford, which was completed in 1939, the year the Second World War started. A member of the public wrote to the council asking why it 'was still commissioned given the symbol's negative connotations.' But didn't the symbol only gain negative connotations after WWII? Why has this suddenly been brought up now, surely people have noticed this before? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpewLabour Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 This is a pretty p1ss-poor story, even by DM standards! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidg Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2567858/Why-swastikas-carved-stonework-council-offices-completed-outbreak-WWII.html But didn't the symbol only gain negative connotations after WWII? Why has this suddenly been brought up now, surely people have noticed this before? OMG Nazi Elephants: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a7/Elefantporten_Ny_Carlsberg.jpg and what about this Dublin Laundry manchester library omg a War Memorial, these Nazi's have no shame Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1929crash Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 Everyone is assuming that the person asking the FOIA question has bad motives. Maybe he/she is genuinely curious. I mean, look at all the other buildings with occult symbols carved into them. Washington DC is teh worst place of all for that sort of thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byron Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 More nonsense. Until the second world war, the swastika had little significance outside Germany. There are swastikas on the 1919 panels of Swansea War Memorial. I had a photograph of a Red Indian in full dress with a swastika, the photo was fated 1912. Basically, it was pinched by Hitler and made infamous. Pity that after the war, just like the Prince of Wales feathers centuries ago, we did not incorporate the swastika in the English crown as a war trophy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corevalue Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 Bhuddist temples often have swastikas carved/painted in them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Masked Tulip Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 More nonsense. Until the second world war, the swastika had little significance outside Germany. There are swastikas on the 1919 panels of Swansea War Memorial. I had a photograph of a Red Indian in full dress with a swastika, the photo was fated 1912. Basically, it was pinched by Hitler and made infamous. Pity that after the war, just like the Prince of Wales feathers centuries ago, we did not incorporate the swastika in the English crown as a war trophy. Yes, whatever happened to 'Jones the Nazi'? Don't see him around much nowadays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Masked Tulip Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 Bhuddist temples often have swastikas carved/painted in them. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
interestrateripoff Posted February 26, 2014 Author Share Posted February 26, 2014 http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/essex-county-council-asked-why-there-are-swastikas-carved-on-one-of-its-buildings-9153858.html Dr Mark Curteis, curator of social history and art at Chelmsford City Council, told the BBC the swastikas on County Hall were "lifted and adapted” from ancient designs."The swastika is still a symbol of peace," he said. The swastika was around for thousands of years before Adolf Hitler adopted it as a Nazi symbol. The Indy now running with this news story, currently the top of it's webpage! However at least they have added it's a peace symbol. I hope to god they don't remove it from the building, the swastika should be reclaimed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turned Out Nice Again Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 More nonsense. Until the second world war, the swastika had little significance outside Germany. There are swastikas on the 1919 panels of Swansea War Memorial. I had a photograph of a Red Indian in full dress with a swastika, the photo was fated 1912. Basically, it was pinched by Hitler and made infamous. Pity that after the war, just like the Prince of Wales feathers centuries ago, we did not incorporate the swastika in the English crown as a war trophy. the US 45th Infantry Division had a swatstika as its traditional emblem going into WWII, and were forced to change it prior to deployment. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/45th_Infantry_Division_(United_States)#Inter-war_years Seriously, its about time these icons which pre-date National Socialism, including the Roman Salute, were disconnected from their Nazi associations. I like what the German band Rammstein is doing in demystifying NS iconography. As far as I can see the only people insisting on hanging on to these totems are the usual Left and Zionist victim-industries.Where would they be without Hitler? They love him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byron Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 And the US Bellamy salute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Austin Allegro Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 The church I attended as a child had swastikas built into the mosaic patterning on the floor. As an avid reader of Battle Action Weekly and Commando comics etc, I pointed this out to my mother who explained it was an old religious symbol from India. I can't believe the DM is actually making a story about this twaddle! Stick to 'bikini bodies' please! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olebrum Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 Perhaps Viscount Rothermere slipped them a few quid prior to the war hoping he could use it as the Daily Wail offices after the Nazis had invaded? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@contradevian Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 More nonsense. Until the second world war, the swastika had little significance outside Germany. There are swastikas on the 1919 panels of Swansea War Memorial. I had a photograph of a Red Indian in full dress with a swastika, the photo was fated 1912. Basically, it was pinched by Hitler and made infamous. Pity that after the war, just like the Prince of Wales feathers centuries ago, we did not incorporate the swastika in the English crown as a war trophy. Exactly, Hitler and the Nazi's were very good at stealing/adopting symbols for their own use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ayatollah Buggeri Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 As others have pointed out, it's only since the post-WWII period that the swastika has primarily associated with fascism in general and the NSDAP in particular in western popular culture. However, I'm a little surprised that it was being engraved on a British public building in its pre-Nazi context as late as 1939. Early '30s, maybe, but I would have thought that by 1939 it would have been primarily known as a Nazi symbol, and that the majority of the poplation would have regarded the Nazis as bad news (the invasion of Czechoslovakia was their first major PR disaster in British popular opinion, the previous autumn). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byron Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 As others have pointed out, it's only since the post-WWII period that the swastika has primarily associated with fascism in general and the NSDAP in particular in western popular culture. However, I'm a little surprised that it was being engraved on a British public building in its pre-Nazi context as late as 1939. Early '30s, maybe, but I would have thought that by 1939 it would have been primarily known as a Nazi symbol, and that the majority of the poplation would have regarded the Nazis as bad news (the invasion of Czechoslovakia was their first major PR disaster in British popular opinion, the previous autumn). Probably because they saw no reason to allow the Nazis to have sole ownership of an ancient symbol. After all, the Japanese used the chrysanthemum and rising sun, but no-one complains about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1929crash Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 It appears that the UKIP group on Essex County Council are behind this. They are calling for the swastikas to be removed. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-26366207 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPin Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 It appears that the UKIP group on Essex County Council are behind this. They are calling for the swastikas to be removed. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-26366207 I'd rather they diverted their attention to more important matters! After all the design was approved in 1926, in the middle of the General Strike I imagine! It stood through the War, and I guess nobody complained! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The XYY Man Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 Sid understood the power of the swazzy - trashy American hoes just melt into your arms...! Probably a tip he got from fellow Pistol Martin Bormann... XYY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
interestrateripoff Posted March 1, 2014 Author Share Posted March 1, 2014 It appears that the UKIP group on Essex County Council are behind this. They are calling for the swastikas to be removed. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-26366207 Cheap publicity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turned Out Nice Again Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 Cheap publicity. UKIP getting "on the record" as being anti-fascist. a bit pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Austin Allegro Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 UKIP getting "on the record" as being anti-fascist. a bit pathetic. To be fair, if they didn't do anything, the headlines would be 'UKIP refuses to act on swastika outrage'. It's a bit like the old joke that if the tabloid press had been around during Christ's lifetime, when He (supposedly) walked on the Sea of Galilee, the headlines would have read 'Son of God Can't Swim.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1929crash Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 Yes, whatever happened to 'Jones the Nazi'? Don't see him around much nowadays. Isn't he the same person as Jones the Milk? Lives in Merthyr? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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