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Frank Hovis

Denmark Bans Animal Torture - Halal / Kosher

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Well hooray - finally a government with some balls that doesn't think that animal cruelty is ok just because some religions insist that it is. Apparently Austria and Switzerland are planning to do the same, it can't come soon enough IMO.

The government in Denmark has been accused of anti-Semitism after passing a law banning the religious slaughter of animals for halal and kosher meat.

After years of campaigning in the Scandinavian country, the ban came in to law yesterday.

The change has been described as ‘anti-Semitic and ‘a clear interference in religious freedom’ by a group petitioning against the change.

Under European regulations, animals are required to be stunned before slaughter unless an exemption can be found on religious grounds.

And animals must be conscious when killed for the resultant meat to be kosher under Jewish law and halal under Islamic law.

But, following criticism, the country's Minister for Food, Dan Jorgensen, told Denmark's TV2 that 'animal rights come before religion'.

Campaign group Danish Halal has collected more than 13,000 signatures opposing the law change and plans to present them to Mr Jorgensen this week.

The group said: ‘The new order is a clear interference in religious freedom and limits the Muslims and the Jews' right to practise their religion in Denmark.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2562350/Denmark-accused-anti-Semitism-bans-religious-slaughter-animals-kosher-halal-meat.html

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animals must be conscious when killed for the resultant meat to be kosher under Jewish law and halal under Islamic law.

Why don't the Jewish and Islamic parliaments just pass an act to change the law, allowing stunned animals to be classified as kosher or halal?

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The group said: ‘The new order is a clear interference in religious freedom and limits the Muslims and the Jews' right to practise their religion in Denmark.

Hardly, a vegetarian diet is still open to them. Although, I'm not sure there is a guaranteed pain-free way to kill another creature. The stunning method isn't exactly perfect either.

You can only try to minimise the pain and suffering.

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Goodness me. Maybe the enlightenment is not dead in Europe.

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I agree with the principle, but unless you also ban the import of halal/kosher meat that method of slaughter will just be shifted to other countries.

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I agree with the principle, but unless you also ban the import of halal/kosher meat that method of slaughter will just be shifted to other countries.

Yes, so I'm hoping that this is what they will do.

This has been the case with British welfare standards, imposed upon animal farmers (good) but then putting their costs up compared to the imports which have lower welfare standards so are cheaper. You do need to join the dots on this one.

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Pretty much all smallholders would have killed their stock in a "Kosher" way until quite recently! Now big abattoirs do it!

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I know a few religious people and none of them have any moral sense whatsoever. Church seems to be a social activity, especially for immigrants who go to keep in touch with their pals.

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Just look at Tony Blair.

I was thinking of the Reverend Paul Flowers. He of the ketamine-fuelled orgies with two male prostitutes at a time.

He actually reminded me of a cross between the Baby-Eating Bishop of Bath and Wells of Blackadder fame and Uncle Monty.

If I could post a picture of him next to Uncle Monty for illustration I would, but per my other thread Firefox won't let me.

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Basically a piece of nonsense political legislation! Will keep some Danes happy, but will do little for animal well being! :blink:

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Pretty much all smallholders would have killed their stock in a "Kosher" way until quite recently! Now big abattoirs do it!

Though I doubt those small holders would have kept their livestock in quite such confined circumstances as the Danish cooperatives do. But as long as the god being worshipped is money that appears to be just fine.

Denmark is, of course, the country that implemented the mentally impaired and short-lived 'fat tax' which considerately set out to make consumption of fewer processed carbs a more expensive proposition.

Both the fat tax and the Danes flogging us cheap stressed pigs UK producers couldn't compete with were eventually knobbed by consumers choosing to shop elsewhere rather than government banning the world better.

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I was thinking of the Reverend Paul Flowers. He of the ketamine-fuelled orgies with two male prostitutes at a time.

He actually reminded me of a cross between the Baby-Eating Bishop of Bath and Wells of Blackadder fame and Uncle Monty.

If I could post a picture of him next to Uncle Monty for illustration I would, but per my other thread Firefox won't let me.

forgiveness is a bitch

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Though I doubt those small holders would have kept their livestock in quite such confined circumstances as the Danish cooperatives do. But as long as the god being worshipped is money that appears to be just fine.

Denmark is, of course, the country that implemented the mentally impaired and short-lived 'fat tax' which considerately set out to make consumption of fewer processed carbs a more expensive proposition.

Both the fat tax and the Danes flogging us cheap stressed pigs UK producers couldn't compete were eventually knobbed by consumers choosing to shop elsewhere rather than government banning the world better.

Slaughtering your one pig, would have been a very important event. And you would have collected the blood for black puddings! I don't have any problem with these practises. Nothing particularly "Semite" about it! We all did it, a few years back!

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Slaughtering your one pig, would have been a very important event. And you would have collected the blood for black puddings! I don't have any problem with these practises. Nothing particularly "Semite" about it! We all did it, a few years back!

In my grandparents day a specialist in these things used to turn up, do the business (with a knife) and then render down every last piece of the animal in exchange for a share of the product.

Messy for sure. However, I'm not convinced that stunning a pig before you slit its throat makes up for keeping it in a cage all its life or the stress it endures in the supply chain up to the point it is stunned.

Still, I'd agree that we should cut down on inflicting unnecessary pain on animals wherever possible. So, who's up for a ban on angling then?

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In my grandparents day a specialist in these things used to turn up, do the business (with a knife) and then render down every last piece of the animal in exchange for a share of the product.

Messy for sure. However, I'm not convinced that stunning a pig before you slit its throat makes up for keeping it in a cage all its life or the stress it endures in the supply chain up to the point it is stunned.

Still, I'd agree that we should cut down on inflicting unnecessary pain on animals wherever possible. So, who's up for a ban on angling then?

I'm sure my grandfather would have been familiar with these practises. Like you say, the pig did get to move around a bit, back in those days.

:huh:

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Does this new law include giraffes?

I'm starting not to like the Danes! :huh:

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I'm sure my grandfather would have been familiar with these practises. Like you say, the pig did get to move around a bit, back in those days.

:huh:

When I used to live in New Zealand I'd regularly drive by a happy pig farm, and smile...

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Of course, it's a less viable option in countries with higher population densities and land values but, personally, I'd be happy to trade a few golf courses and a little bit less property price inflation in exchange for happier food.

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When I used to live in New Zealand I'd regularly drive by a happy pig farm, and smile...

Of course, it's a less viable option in countries with higher population densities and land values but, personally, I'd be happy to trade a few golf courses and a little bit of property price inflation in exchange for happier food.

Yes, that looks like proper farming. Never been to NZ! How much are the sties worth? :blink: You do sometimes see farms like that, but I guess they are small producers, and as for the intensive stuff, well I think it would upset people, so they don't show it :o

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