crashmonitor Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 This one has been doing the papers all week. I think it refers to once retirement age is attained because the fact is that by the age of 50 we have already lost a lot of men to accidents etc. and they are out-numbered by women greatly by that age, so longevity from birth cannot surpass the average woman for well into this century imo. But stands conventional wisdom on its head that men have weaker organs etc, something I have always assumed. However, these article suggest men have more readily embraced healthy living and women haven't. In wealthier areas in London men already living longer than women. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2560568/Healthier-men-OUTLIVE-women-parts-England-quit-smoking-fit-middle-age.html http://www.express.co.uk/news/health/460166/Life-expectancy-for-men-now-higher-than-for-women-in-100-areas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swissy_fit Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Stands to reason. In wealthy areas old men may well be employing shapely young immigrant housekeepers to cook healthy food for them and, er, keep them fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winkie Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Women behaving like men and men behaving like women. What makes you say that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winkie Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Stands to reason. In wealthy areas old men may well be employing shapely young immigrant housekeepers to cook healthy food for them and, er, keep them fit. ...Well they can always pass their pensions on, making them last longer, if nothing else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crashmonitor Posted February 21, 2014 Author Share Posted February 21, 2014 This was aired back in 2012 on the Today programme, but for some reason the press have been running with it this week................. http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_9715000/9715284.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecrashingisles Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 In other news, average house prices to reach £1m by 2020. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Executive Sadman Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Men are bigger/heavier than women, which over a lifetime puts more stress on the heart, thats why men live a little shorter. OTOH, given how many fat women I see around nowadays, i wouldn't be at all surprised to see men living considerably longer than women by 2030. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs Bear Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 This one has been doing the papers all week. I think it refers to once retirement age is attained because the fact is that by the age of 50 we have already lost a lot of men to accidents etc. and they are out-numbered by women greatly by that age, so longevity from birth cannot surpass the average woman for well into this century imo. But stands conventional wisdom on its head that men have weaker organs etc, something I have always assumed. However, this article suggest men have more readily embraced healthy living and women haven't. In wealthier areas in London men already living longer than women. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2560568/Healthier-men-OUTLIVE-women-parts-England-quit-smoking-fit-middle-age.html Who wants to live to extreme old age anyway? Like as not, decades of 'healthy living' will just mean you're likelier to end up with dementia, incontinent, unable to communicate, clueless about everything, and a constant source of worry and distress to your kids, if you've got any. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crashmonitor Posted February 21, 2014 Author Share Posted February 21, 2014 Who wants to live to extreme old age anyway? Like as not, decades of 'healthy living' will just mean you're likelier to end up with dementia, incontinent, unable to communicate, clueless about everything, and a constant source of worry and distress to your kids, if you've got any. The latest thinking on dementia is that it is caused by lack of movement, and all that brain training business sitting with puzzles in chairs was all nonsense. So maybe a healthier and longer lifetime doesn't mean dementia, perhaps the opposite....... http://jonbarron.org/media/lack-exercise-leading-risk-factor-alzheimers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitevanman Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Funny how this has coincided with the decline in marriage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winkie Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Who wants to live to extreme old age anyway? Like as not, decades of 'healthy living' will just mean you're likelier to end up with dementia, incontinent, unable to communicate, clueless about everything, and a constant source of worry and distress to your kids, if you've got any. 'Life is a sexually transmitted disease, an inevitably fatal syndrome'......so yes, quality not quantity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs Bear Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 The latest thinking on dementia is that it is caused by lack of movement, and all that brain training business sitting with puzzles in chairs was all nonsense. So maybe a healthier and longer lifetime doesn't mean dementia, perhaps the opposite....... http://jonbarron.org/media/lack-exercise-leading-risk-factor-alzheimers My FIL was extremely active, still playing tennis into his 80s and walking and cycling a lot, never remotely overweight, but he still got it. And in my mother's care home there is a woman who was regularly walking the likes of the SW coastal path, miles and miles, until even after the first signs of Alzheimer's. I don't doubt that being a couch potato may well increase the risk, but I have spoken to so many relatives over many years of FIL and my mother in care homes, and IMO an awful lot of it is down to luck (lack of) and genes. And of course the likelihood does increase with age. TBH I don't take much notice of 'experts' any more. They change their minds so often. Look at eggs, don't eat them, oops, yes, do eat them, and after I had my first baby it was all DON'T EVER put them to sleep on their backs, it causes suffocation. Roll on ten years and it' was all DON'T EVER put them to sleep on their tummies, it causes cot death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porca misèria Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Who wants to live to extreme old age anyway? Like as not, decades of 'healthy living' will just mean you're likelier to end up with dementia, incontinent, unable to communicate, clueless about everything, and a constant source of worry and distress to your kids, if you've got any. Who says you're going to get ill? Of course the risk rises as you age, and this country has a truly horrendous regime governing zombies whose life is over[1] that inflicts immeasurable suffering on victims and their families. But a healthy 100-year-old is a healthy person and as entitled as any of us to a decent life. [1] Or never started in the first place, in the case of those born with the most severe conditions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porca misèria Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Maybe mens shorter lives were in some measure down to the heavy work most men traditionally did to earn a living. Now that few men do really heavy work, and those who do work much shorter hours, that no longer applies. By 2030 there'll be so few left of that old working class as to drop off the statistical radar. And maybe more women are taking on higher-stress roles too, in combining career + family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccc Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Maybe mens shorter lives were in some measure down to the heavy work most men traditionally did to earn a living. Now that few men do really heavy work, and those who do work much shorter hours, that no longer applies. By 2030 there'll be so few left of that old working class as to drop off the statistical radar. And maybe more women are taking on higher-stress roles too, in combining career + family. Law of unintended consequences. Sexual equality - killing burds since 1990. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkman Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Maybe mens shorter lives were in some measure down to the heavy work most men traditionally did to earn a living. Now that few men do really heavy work, and those who do work much shorter hours, that no longer applies. Agreed. I don't think men have a genetic weakness compared to women. It's all about the type of work they do and a previously later retirement age(?). Do women now retire at the same age as men? I can't keep up with our European rulers..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StainlessSteelCat Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Probably a combination of many of the factors above. I see more 40+ men exercising than women of the same age Less really hard physical work around for men More women juggling work and raising children (although some men sharing this too). The poor have always done this, of course. More binge drinking etc by young women etc Much improved healthcare - and increasing awareness about accessing it. Equal retirement age. The Royal family interests me in this area and is a great testament to the difference taking care of yourself and modern medicine makes. You've got some dying fairly young, even in the last century, while old Queenie & Phillip happily motor on until their 90s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crashmonitor Posted February 22, 2014 Author Share Posted February 22, 2014 Who says you're going to get ill? +1........there seems to be a culture of assuming the worst so you must end it all when you are still on top. In this clip the 80 year old Ruth Gordon has just had a night of passion with the 20 year old Bud Cort following their marriage, then she decides to commit suicide because she doesn't want to be old. Why on earth would you want to commit suicide having just got a 20 year old lover and be enjoying life, believing that old age must be torture.............. (Despite the daft finish just a great film by the way with Cat Stevens music to boot) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winkie Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdKu5T9zM6I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Orange Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 I had the impression that a subsection of Babyboomer women seem more prone to dying decades younger than their parents, dying relatively young in their 50s and 60s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winkie Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 I had the impression that a subsection of Babyboomer women seem more prone to dying decades younger than their parents, dying relatively young in their 50s and 60s. How long you live is how you think, what you do to keep active and positive and how well you look after yourself both in what you eat, mentally, physically and spiritually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hail the Tripod Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 How long you live is how you think, I have suspected for a while its just their way of showing how hard done by they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turned Out Nice Again Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdKu5T9zM6I brilliant wasn't he? never lost it either ... i'd pay to see him when he's 100. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winkie Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 brilliant wasn't he? never lost it either ... i'd pay to see him when he's 100. Yes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winkie Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Agreed. I don't think men have a genetic weakness compared to women. It's all about the type of work they do and a previously later retirement age(?). Do women now retire at the same age as men? I can't keep up with our European rulers..... The Dalai Lama, when asked what surprised him most about humanity, he said: “Man. Because he sacrifices his health in order to make money. Then he sacrifices money to recuperate his health. And then he is so anxious about the future that he does not enjoy the present; the result being that he does not live in the present or the future; he lives as if he is never going to die, and then dies having never really lived.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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