SarahBell Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fc7_1391532479 Mods - can you leave on main section for a couple of hours? For anyone interested in ever protesting you should look at this video. And then make sure you carry a camera with you to record what goes on. http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/salford-anti-fracking-protester-sue-greater-6676499 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caveat Mortgagor Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 I can see that poor copper being forced to leave his job as a result of the video going viral. Swiftly followed of course by a claim against the force for a million quid due to lost earnings / pension rights etc. Court will probably make him struggle by on £600k though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timak Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Since when were the police a private army for corporations? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
little fish Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 The contempt on the police mans face at 1.32 when he first states to Steven 'you just said to me that you had 2 drinks' is incredible to watch. Scary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justthisbloke Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 There's a thread over on the Off Topic underworld running on this story already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Since when were the police a private army for corporations? The apparatus of state (police and army) have been at the disposal of the very wealthy since pretty much forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enrieb Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Since when were the police a private army for corporations? Since forever. Metropolitan police accused of acting on behalf of big business Lord chief justice voices fears after Virgin Media offered Met a 25% share of compensation recovered from fraudsters http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/jan/29/metropolitan-police-virgin-media-lord-chief-justice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vested Disinterest Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 I'm wondering, was he uploading the video in real time, or did he get to keep his pre-arrest footage? He's a hero in any case. My fave quote from our boys in blue is that he was being "quite vociferous" - yeah right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@contradevian Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Pretty small beer compared to the 80's scenes of pitched running battles between Police and Miners at Orgreave Coke Works etc ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renting til I die Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 I understand the first office has lied to his colleagues but why didn't the fella just take the breath test with the 3 offices at the end, who were following the law (however stupid that may be) and just acting on information given to them by their twisted colleague. Once clear the offices would have no reason to keep him, unless he had had a drink and the office found that he did have car keys on his person! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renting til I die Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 BTW what was this demo in aid of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EUBanana Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 I understand the first office has lied to his colleagues but why didn't the fella just take the breath test with the 3 offices at the end, who were following the law (however stupid that may be) and just acting on information given to them by their twisted colleague. Once clear the offices would have no reason to keep him, unless he had had a drink and the office found that he did have car keys on his person! I guess after Cop 1 blatantly tried to fit him up he wasn't feeling particularly cooperative. Fair enough! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
long time lurking Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 BTW what was this demo in aid of? Fracking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulfar Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 If he had provided a breath test and it had proved positive, what crime does that prove, nothing. If he had car keys again, it doesn't prove anything. He could have driven to the demonstration and then had a drink. The police wonder why people no longer trust them. Hope he takes this all the way. I would sack every police officer involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wonderpup Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 I can see that poor copper being forced to leave his job as a result of the video going viral. Swiftly followed of course by a claim against the force for a million quid due to lost earnings / pension rights etc. Court will probably make him struggle by on £600k though That 'poor copper' was fabricating evidence while being filmed doing so- even on grounds of sheer stupidity he should be removed from his job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinAndPlatonic Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 That 'poor copper' was fabricating evidence while being filmed doing so- even on grounds of sheer stupidity he should be removed from his job. Police are not always the brightest bulb on the ceiling..just pushy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomandlu Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 Police are not always the brightest bulb on the ceiling..just pushy My general rule for dealing with the police is always be the calmest person in the room. They like that - stops them getting over-excited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saving For a Space Ship Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 Do these protesters upload their vids directly to online storage ? Presumably, to avoid the danger of the phone getting 'broken ' in the arrest . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulfar Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 My general rule for dealing with the police is always be the calmest person in the room. They like that - stops them getting over-excited. You also have to be very clear about what you are saying as they use their own version of the english language. They will twist it to suit their purpose, as the video shows very clearly. The gentleman asking a question, not getting an answer and then re-asking then becomes him being vociferous. An example of this was when he was being asked does he consent to a breath test because he is suspected of driving a vehicle while under the influence of alcohol. It might seem logical to some to say yes, as he hasn't been drinking and providing a test would clear anything up. The consent can be taken as an admission that he had been drinking and driving and the test is to check whether he is under the limit or not. If he had then provided a positive test he is then guilty as he had already admitted to drinking and driving and the test was only to confirm whether he had too much. In this case he was fitted up, but I expect the officer to only get a slap on the wrist. This is a tip of the iceberg example along with other examples being those of Ian Tomlinson, Plebgate, kettling, etc. Due to this I would be in wholehearted support of police officers wearing cameras and microphones to record what is happening. If for some reason a recording is lost or destroyed by "accident", I would throw the case out of court and discipline those involved. At the start of the video you see a protestor being arrested in a violent way despite him not resisting, you also see that the police have escalated the protest as they are riot gear pushing and shoving protestors. This has been seen previously at other demonstrations where illegal tactics are used, kettling being the main one, but also the use of provacateurs embedded with the protestors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renting til I die Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 If he had provided a breath test and it had proved positive, what crime does that prove, nothing. If he had car keys again, it doesn't prove anything. He could have driven to the demonstration and then had a drink. The police wonder why people no longer trust them. Hope he takes this all the way. I would sack every police officer involved. If you have your car keys on you and you have a drink, you can be done for being drunk and in charge of a vehicle. You shouldn't have car keys on you if you are drinking. Its a crap law but that's how the law stands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renting til I die Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 My general rule for dealing with the police is always be the calmest person in the room. They like that - stops them getting over-excited. Indeed. Its a game and you need to play it using their rules! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renting til I die Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 You also have to be very clear about what you are saying as they use their own version of the english language. They will twist it to suit their purpose, as the video shows very clearly. The gentleman asking a question, not getting an answer and then re-asking then becomes him being vociferous. An example of this was when he was being asked does he consent to a breath test because he is suspected of driving a vehicle while under the influence of alcohol. It might seem logical to some to say yes, as he hasn't been drinking and providing a test would clear anything up. The consent can be taken as an admission that he had been drinking and driving and the test is to check whether he is under the limit or not. If he had then provided a positive test he is then guilty as he had already admitted to drinking and driving and the test was only to confirm whether he had too much. In this case he was fitted up, but I expect the officer to only get a slap on the wrist. This is a tip of the iceberg example along with other examples being those of Ian Tomlinson, Plebgate, kettling, etc. Due to this I would be in wholehearted support of police officers wearing cameras and microphones to record what is happening. If for some reason a recording is lost or destroyed by "accident", I would throw the case out of court and discipline those involved. At the start of the video you see a protestor being arrested in a violent way despite him not resisting, you also see that the police have escalated the protest as they are riot gear pushing and shoving protestors. This has been seen previously at other demonstrations where illegal tactics are used, kettling being the main one, but also the use of provacateurs embedded with the protestors. Very well put. It really was a lose/lose situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SarahBell Posted February 8, 2014 Author Share Posted February 8, 2014 The guy with the red tabs is not a police officer. A police officer should have their collar number clearly on their lapels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpectrumFX Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 If you have your car keys on you and you have a drink, you can be done for being drunk and in charge of a vehicle. You shouldn't have car keys on you if you are drinking. Its a crap law but that's how the law stands. I don`t have a car or a driving license. If I borrow my wife's car keys to get something from the boot of her car am I "in charge of a vehicle"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinAndPlatonic Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 My general rule for dealing with the police is always be the calmest person in the room. They like that - stops them getting over-excited. Yes..it doesn`t challenge their authority. Many are followers of authority by nature, and hence if you talk to them in a manner that doesn`t challenge them but leads them gently..everything can work out. It`s the heavy handed shouty type that irks them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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