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The shit is going to hit the fan soon. Evidence is coming out that American/the West were definitely behind the coup. Paying for demonstrators and inciting other activies.

Just like in Syria, Putin is completely in the right here. The levels of whining/anti-Russian propaganda demonstrate how much the West hates getting caught out (and hates having someone as strong as Putin in the Russian leadership).

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The shit is going to hit the fan soon. Evidence is coming out that American/the West were definitely behind the coup. Paying for demonstrators and inciting other activies.

Just like in Syria, Putin is completely in the right here. The levels of whining/anti-Russian propaganda demonstrate how much the West hates getting caught out (and hates having someone as strong as Putin in the Russian leadership).

Putin is someone who won't just roll over just because America says so.

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Those Ukrainian conscripts surrounded by (we're not Russian honest!) Russian special forces, didn't look like they fancied getting slaughtered.

By the time Mrs Ashton has decided what her response is going to be Vlad already owns Crimea.

Now, if I was sitting in Beijing I might be thinking about getting some action whilst everybody else is doing their best rabbit in the headlights impression.

Never let a good crisis go to waste an' all that.

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Cameron has announced government officials will boycott the Paralympics in Sochi in protest of Russian actions. Putin must be so upset!

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Those Ukrainian conscripts surrounded by (we're not Russian honest!) Russian special forces, didn't look like they fancied getting slaughtered.

By the time Mrs Ashton has decided what her response is going to be Vlad already owns Crimea.

Now, if I was sitting in Beijing I might be thinking about getting some action whilst everybody else is doing their best rabbit in the headlights impression.

Never let a good crisis go to waste an' all that.

It would be slaughter until the insurgency begins in earnest.Then it'll become mutual slaughter and maiming.

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Western leaders scramble to respond to Russian incursion

"The Ukraine incursion is a show of weakness," a senior administration official said. "They have lost the government they backed in Kiev, now they're resorting to the type of intervention that will severely distance them from the international community." Ukraine is not a NATO member, which means the United States and Europe are not obligated to come to its defense. So far, however, Ukraine's new government and the West have been powerless to counter Russia's tactics. Armed men in uniforms without insignia have moved freely about Crimea for days, occupying airports, smashing equipment at an air base and besieging a Ukrainian infantry base.

His confidence is matched by the knowledge that Ukraine's 46 million people have divided loyalties. While much of western Ukraine wants closer ties with the 28-nation European Union, its eastern and southern regions like Crimea look to Russia for support.

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The shit is going to hit the fan soon. Evidence is coming out that American/the West were definitely behind the coup. Paying for demonstrators and inciting other activies.

Just like in Syria, Putin is completely in the right here. The levels of whining/anti-Russian propaganda demonstrate how much the West hates getting caught out (and hates having someone as strong as Putin in the Russian leadership).

Putin is someone who won't just roll over just because America says so.

I was reading somewhere that UKIP voters have a completely different view of this crisis to most others,given that they're more likely to have a negative view of the EU.

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The moon cycle is going against the Russians every night from the 1st, therefore benefiting the defenders. Vlad is the master strategist, I suspect he will draw this out, switch off the gas. This morning oil etc is up, so he makes more money, switches off the taps and Europe suffers, I'm not sure that friendly nations can increase supply so much.

This Budapest memorandum is still a legal hurdle and forces war with the UK,France and USA (Nuclear Armed Powers). Failure for these powers to act against aggression basically causes a crisis of the integrity of these parts of international law. No enforcement would encourage Syria to not comply with the Chemical weapons agreement, Iran with Uranium Enrichment, Spain with Gibralter and Argantina and the Falklands. Those who study history will see a similarity with the start of WW1 and WW2.

Could China be the key.? Who will they support?

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Oh dear. Interest rates on Ukraine six-month govt debt just went through 50%.

Ukraine can never repay pay any current or future debt, it simply doesn't have a viable economy and only been kept afloat up to now by russia lending it ever more money to buy its gas.

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The shit is going to hit the fan soon. Evidence is coming out that American/the West were definitely behind the coup. Paying for demonstrators and inciting other activies.

Just like in Syria, Putin is completely in the right here. The levels of whining/anti-Russian propaganda demonstrate how much the West hates getting caught out (and hates having someone as strong as Putin in the Russian leadership).

The west was behind the last coloured revolution in Ukraine a few years back, western intelligence funds and nurtures, covertly, NGO non governmental organisations to go into rival territory and cause problems with pro democracy groups, pro LGBT groups, Eco green groups and nationalist fringe parties to break the establishment and usher in the new mi6 CIA backed groups.

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I remain cautiously optimistic. I don't like Putin, but he's about the smartest politician in the world at the moment IMHO.

He'll back down but with major concessions that will leave no one in doubt as to who has won, and certainly more concessions than if he'd taken the diplomatic route in the first place.

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I remain cautiously optimistic. I don't like Putin, but he's about the smartest politician in the world at the moment IMHO.

He'll back down but with major concessions that will leave no one in doubt as to who has won, and certainly more concessions than if he'd taken the diplomatic route in the first place.

We're getting very one side news coverage of this from the West. Crimea was never really part of the Ukraine, is very pro-Russian and is a victim of a revolution in Kiev that deposed a democratically elected Government. The East of Ukraine has historically been part of the Ukriane but again their sympathies lie with Russia.

It looks like a straight annexation of these areas and there is little the West can do unless it wants its pipe lines shut off.

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I remain cautiously optimistic. I don't like Putin, but he's about the smartest politician in the world at the moment IMHO.

He'll back down but with major concessions that will leave no one in doubt as to who has won, and certainly more concessions than if he'd taken the diplomatic route in the first place.

He is the Bailiff...he's going in to get the bankrupt possessions he owns now that Ukraine might default.

Perfectly reasonable...Indeed, the Ukranians should let him have his kit back...peacefully.

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Not the only world leader grovelling before the mighty Putin. He holds all the cards. The reason Merkel was in grovel mode at the weekend...........

http://www.bloomberg...om-nuclear.html

you make it sound like Putin is confident his people are more willing to go to war than our people.

Im not sure what grudges will motivate the Russians to want to kill us....although the US certainly has been throwing its weight around, with some peoples feeling badly let down by promises of help that were withdrawn on the day they were needed...indeed, the US acts more like a banker every day.

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