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Absolutely spot on.

What do you think would happen in the UK if a large group of people raided an army base, stole military grade weapons and marched on the Houses of Parliament (or sat in Parliament Square shooting policemen and setting fire to buildings)?

Answer - They would all be shot if they refused to put down their weapons.

This is domestic terrorism. The mob needs to be controlled; and quickly.

I would be interested if your opinion changes after reading this:

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Oh, bloke on Newsnight was saying that Angela Merkel was coordinating the anti government protest because El Presidento wouldn`t sign up with her lot.

The UK has no dog in this fight but our treaties and alliances could drag us into any conflict just as they did so disastrously in the 20th century. Moreover, with so many f*ckwit grandstanding politicians in Britain keen to divert attention from their non stop screw ups of the domestic economy it could all get very sticky very fast. The problem with the EU is that it puts the UK borders on the unholy mess that is eastern Europe (anyone who doubts this fact should just glance at a series of maps of this area over the last century for a reality check

). Another reason to vote for UKIP if one was needed. It also highlights another the potential problems of immigration to the UK since the people who have rushed to settle here often show an inexplicable enthusiasm for dragging this country into the domestic problems of their former homelands. Britain is an Atlantic state and a maritime nation. The Foreign Office needs to have the words AVOID LAND WARS AND OTHER CONFLICTS ON THE EURASIAN LANDMASS stamped in letters a yard high on the heading of all its documents.

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The problem with the EU is that it puts the UK borders on the unholy mess that is eastern Europe (anyone who doubts this fact should just glance at a series of maps of this area over the last century for a reality check.

I've seen some figures that show by international standards most of central/eastern Europe ranks higher than the UK (and US) on press freedom and economic equality.

Strange, but if true you're probably championing a country you don't admire.

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I've seen some figures that show by international standards most of central/eastern Europe ranks higher than the UK (and US) on press freedom and economic equality.

Strange, but if true you're probably championing a country you don't admire.

In 1914 Serbia and the Kaisar's Germany were more democratic in terms of the percentage of the population granted the vote than Britain. That did not stop World War 1 starting. The truth is none of the East European states have borders that have lasted more than couple of decades in the last 100 years. The whole area is fraught with unresolved issues just waiting to kick off more conflict. Anyway Britain has a bit of a flawed record in it campaigning for freedom and democracy as Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya show so we probably are not best suited to fixing other peoples problems.

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President (still the President) and PM gone to Karkhiv, old Soviet capital of Ukraine.

Talk now of whole Eastern areas leaving to join Russia - separate government with Yanukovich in charge. Crimea has asked for assistance from Russia military (reportedly).

Top officals from Moscow are in Karkhiv meeting President and local Parliament.

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The easiest way to have 'economic equality' is for everyone to be piss poor.

Or shit rich. Either extreme is an illusion - simply not part of the human condition.

But poverty accounting for ... accommodation costs, price of food, transport, education? All in, it's pretty tough for Londoners under the age of 40. They should all move to Hum in Croatia, smallest town in the world.

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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-21/russia-prepared-fight-war-over-ukraine-senior-government-official-admits

"If Ukraine breaks apart, it will trigger a war," warns a senior Russian government official. The FT reports Russia is prepared to fight a war over the Ukrainian territory of Crimea (where the largest ethnic Russian population lives and they have a military base). Conjuring images of the 2008 Russian invasion of Georgia, the official told the FT, "they will lose Crimea first [because] we will go in and protect [it], just as we did in Georgia." The Kremlin regards the Georgian conflict as the biggest stand-off between Russia and the west since the end of the Cold War and it has fed determination in Moscow to push back against what it believes to be western attempts to contain Russia.

The Russians stating they won't lose it's navel bases, which frankly is all they are bothered about. Perhaps the Urkaine splitting up is in their interests so they can make the Crimea part of Russia?

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Russian turning off the gas could be amusing. Ukraine owes them a HUGE amount of money in Gas bills - and now they are 'free' there's little reason not to pay it.

First up, that's creepy and hateful.

Then you cheer on the Kremlin losing its pipelines and its funding for Vladimir's oligarchs? Energy exporters with declining output are frontline victims because their populations are heavily subsidised. Look at Egypt. What will you say when the protesters turn up in Red Square next year- slaughter them?

You may be a misguided democrat, but I bet you wear black.

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Russian turning off the gas could be amusing. Ukraine owes them a HUGE amount of money in Gas bills - and now they are 'free' there's little reason not to pay it.

Ukraine will need to come up with $40 Billion to pay for gas, now that the Russian Black Sea Fleet as lost Sevastopol.

Will the Russians move out of Sevastopol?

http://www.diploweb....a-fleet-in.html

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Amusing for who? Russia badly needs that gas money.

China and Russia are on the verge of a massive gas deal - http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303945704579390173038353200?mg=reno64-wsj&url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB10001424052702303945704579390173038353200.html

This would be a game changer (in many different ways).

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Just like the London property market, the Chinese are always about to swoop in and save everybody who needs a buyer...

Russia and China have been on the verge of this "massive gas deal" for decades. In the meantime China has built pipelines to many other gas suppliers. China is not desperate for Russian gas. http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/38b246ba-6bb9-11e3-85b1-00144feabdc0.html#axzz2u3nr7SlB

If you were the Chinese and you had spent decades watching Russia threaten to cut off various customers, how keen would you be to make your energy infrastructure reliant on Russian gas?

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The US wants Ukraine and have their men already earmarked for the job though Merkel is proving to be a thorn in the US side with her man Klitchko. Since the fall of the Soviet Republic the US aim has been to incorporate the former Soviet republics under western influence and ultimatley under the NATO flag with nukes stationed within these regions. Russia is non to pleased with this idea. Much more to come.

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