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I just saw a preview of a new movie in which a group of anti AI (Artificial Intelligence) protesters attack a facility that is developing an advanced AI system;

Dr. Will Caster (Johnny Depp) is the foremost researcher in the field of Artificial Intelligence, working to create a sentient machine that combines the collective intelligence of everything ever known with the full range of human emotions. His highly controversial experiments have made him famous, but they have also made him the prime target of anti-technology extremists who will do whatever it takes to stop him.

emphasis mine.

Hollywood has always been good at distilling our fears and anxieties and repackaging them as entertainment- so I was interested to see this particular theme of an organized opposition to AI emerge at this point.

This is not the Frankenstein meme as we normally see it portrayed, in which a lone hero does battle with the machine- in this story the opposition is both organised and ideological.

These movies are not predictions of the future of course- what they do represent is a crude form of anthropological analysis- a sample we might say- of the current preoccupations of the populace.

and today this story caught my eye;

Why has Google bought an AI company?

Earlier this week Google spent £400m buying a UK firm that specialised in artificial intelligence.

DeepMind had trained software to play video games without teaching it the rules. It had published a paper explaining how computers could learn to beat expert players of several Atari games.

Alternatively the founders of DeepMind could find themselves working along side Ray Kurzweil who joined Google in 2013 reported TechCrunch.

He is one of the "most prominent individuals associated with the singularity movement" which is the theory that "human beings and artificially intelligent machines will sync up to push innovation forward at an unprecedentedly fast rate."

He has said that he wanted to create a search engine so sophisticated that it could answer questions without you actually asking.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-25927797

Emphasis mine.

So what are the chances that we will ever see some kind of organised opposition to the development of AI? The current ongoing controversy about the data gathering activities of the US espionage industry as revealed by Edward Snowden do have one important lesson to teach- technology that can be used will be used.

So what would an AI equipped intelligence system look like? What if (when) facial recognition software will be able to track your every move via CCTV- what if 'the internet of things' contains enough embedded technology to render your whole life available to the never sleeping eye of the state's AI monitoring systems.

What if this post already contains enough keywords to attract the attention of whatever form of AI currently scans the web for exactly such key words- should I be concerned about that? Probably not- at present.

But at what point would the development of these smarter AI systems start to make you uncomfortable?

The notion of an organised anti AI movement at first glance seems laughable- but as the implications of such technologies start to become apparent- and given the proclivity of those in power to make use of such technologies- is it really such a comical and unlikely idea that we might start to see some kind of backlash against the growing intrusive power of big data driven AI?

I'm not so sure it is.

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I just saw a preview of a new movie in which a group of anti AI (Artificial Intelligence) protesters attack a facility that is developing an advanced AI system;

emphasis mine.

Hollywood has always been good at distilling our fears and anxieties and repackaging them as entertainment- so I was interested to see this particular theme of an organized opposition to AI emerge at this point.

This is not the Frankenstein meme as we normally see it portrayed, in which a lone hero does battle with the machine- in this story the opposition is both organised and ideological.

These movies are not predictions of the future of course- what they do represent is a crude form of anthropological analysis- a sample we might say- of the current preoccupations of the populace.

and today this story caught my eye;

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-25927797

Emphasis mine.

So what are the chances that we will ever see some kind of organised opposition to the development of AI? The current ongoing controversy about the data gathering activities of the US espionage industry as revealed by Edward Snowden do have one important lesson to teach- technology that can be used will be used.

So what would an AI equipped intelligence system look like? What if (when) facial recognition software will be able to track your every move via CCTV- what if 'the internet of things' contains enough embedded technology to render your whole life available to the never sleeping eye of the state's AI monitoring systems.

What if this post already contains enough keywords to attract the attention of whatever form of AI currently scans the web for exactly such key words- should I be concerned about that? Probably not- at present.

But at what point would the development of these smarter AI systems start to make you uncomfortable?

The notion of an organised anti AI movement at first glance seems laughable- but as the implications of such technologies start to become apparent- and given the proclivity of those in power to make use of such technologies- is it really such a comical and unlikely idea that we might start to see some kind of backlash against the growing intrusive power of big data driven AI?

I'm not so sure it is.

I saw this trailer too, Depps character looks like a Hollywood ray kurzweil. You should check out his book, the singularity is near.

Everlasting life will only be for the rich though. Only they can afford it.

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Google have been buying robots and now AI...

Has no one seen Terminator?

no, cos the real thing is very stealthy.

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Apparently a Japanese supercomputer replicated one second of one percent of the human brain very recently.

Forget about more seamless automation and rudimentary AI later this century disrupting things, what about human self-modification to keep up with machines? And a relatively benign and rational AI could pick up the pieces after the greedy, short-sighted human leadership paint themselves into a corner and have millions of poor people at their gates.

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Regarding Google's interest - it helps if you know that one of the founders original interest was in developing self-driving cars. I suspect the Ad-driven search engine is just the means to pay for his hobbies and other interests. There doesn't have to be coherent business strategy behind it all although it might end up becoming one. Can't say I blame them, I'd probably do something very similar.

Google, to my mind, is struggling in with the difficult second album. They came up with one revolutionary idea - but most of what's come since has been riffs on it, bought in from elsewhere or not making serious cash. They have plenty of resources so they aren't going anywhere - and maybe they'll stumble across the next big thing. I have higher hopes of them doing so than Microsoft.

Regarding AI, any backlash will come when it's too late to do anything about it.

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Google specifically will be struggling with the bone headed and simplistic nature of the linkage between your web habits and their advertising. At the moment, if I go to an online retailer and buy some car parts, I get follow up adverts for car parts - which are all too late. With an AI, they could detect that I am searching for "Alfa 156 front suspension noise" and then immediately offer me links to information, as well as the wishbones I need. That would be genuinely useful. It starts to get beyond simple search, and on to problem solving. Their goal would be a higher conversion rate for their ads.

I am not sure if genuine AIs will make a huge penetration into our lives. I certainly wouldn't want an AI driving my car - because to learn, it must make mistakes. I want most of the things around me to be deterministic - as in the behaviour is consistent and unchanging. If I am being driven by a machine, I want it to obey a simple rule that it stops at red lights. I don't want it learning what humans do, which is (in some cases) deciding that jumping the lights is the optimal outcome.

AI in laboratory conditions is a different matter. There will come a point where an AI can be created that can work out how to extend itself. That point is a long way off, given the number of people required to make a material advance, and current compute power. But you can see a scenario where an AI is created, and reaches a level of self awareness that allows it to understand the limitations of its underlying architecture. It then works out how to double the density of its silicon (or whatever compute platform it is running on) and tells its keepers how to achieve this.

I don't see a backlash. The advantages of genuinely intelligent machines hugely outweigh the disadvantages.

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Move along. Nothing new to see.

The hollywood plot you describe should be familiar to anyone who has heard of the Luddite movement, for example.

The point is why now? The luddites have not been active since 1816 when the British government hanged or transported a lot of people involved in the movement.

So why make a movie in 2014 that reflects similar concerns? If it's safe to say that most Hollywood plot lines are driven by the lowest common denominator- the desire to get as many bums on seats as possible- then we don't look to Hollywood to be in the vanguard of social concerns- so whatever themes and issues do show up in their product will already be in some sense 'out there' in the wider consciousness of the public domain.

I don't want to make too much of this- obviously Hollywood has been repackaging the Frankenstien meme since before the movies could even talk, so in that sense it's nothing new.

What I did find interesting in this particular variant was the notion that people would organize specifically against AI in the way that people have already organised against GM foods for example- it's the notion of AI as a target for this kind of opposition that made me wonder if we might start to see such things happen in the real world- as the full extent of what the new big data systems might be able to do becomes clear.

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The fellow anti AI agitator you communicate with via the net, are they a person or an AI mole?

:lol: Forums like this are perfect places to run a Turing test it's true- all we know of each other is text on screen. And to be honest I could not say with absolute certainty that even now some 'posters' on the web are not in reality some kind of AI system being road tested to see if they can indeed pass as human.

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I don't see a backlash. The advantages of genuinely intelligent machines hugely outweigh the disadvantages.

I think a lot depends on to whom those advantages are seen to accrue. For example a guy who works in the field of IT might have once posted the opinion that Edward Snowden was right to do what he did- an opinion that might have been duly collected by some AI system trawling the web for some agency or another during the course of it's daily business.

Two years later that same guy applies for a job with a company that has dealings with the government, say building IT systems for them. He doesn't get the job, probably because the other candidates were better. Or perhaps because that long forgotten opinion showed up during the appraisal process of potential candidates for the job?

Do you really want a guy who apparently agrees with idea that it's ok to release confidential data working on your project? Even if it's not secret material you are dealing with, you might still be reluctant to hire this person.

So the implications of AI are not all benign for everyone- and perhaps what's more dangerous than AI itself is the fact that as such systems become smarter the tendency will be to place more and more faith in their 'predictive' abilities.

You might find that you become effectively unemployable because the collective 'wisdom' of some AI system has decided that your online activities indicate that you are unsuitable material- a conclusion that itself will be further propagated by other AI systems who detect and log your ongoing failed attempts to find a job.

So you could end up jobless with no chance of redress and no way to appeal against the evaluations of machines that have already sealed your fate.

At this point the notion of joining a protest group against the growing influence of AI might seem the only course of action left to you.

Do You Have Recruiting Intelligence?

by Irina Nagy on 16 July 2013 at 14:23

With technology advancing faster than ever, employers now have every available advantage to be able to hire efficiently and to provide a high quality candidate experience. HR teams need these tools to be able to move away from manual processes, such as sorting through hundreds or thousands of CVs or creating spread sheets, which let’s face it, belongs in the Stone Age. The panacea is to be able to automate the whole process using keywords or intelligent algorithms, like artificial intelligence (A.I.), to dramatically improve the recruiting process for both employers and potential employees.

But choosing the right technology to meet a company’s specific needs can be an extremely difficult task these days. There are so many options to look at and the whole experience of moving your recruitment onto a new system can be daunting. What employers really want is a system that can not only help to manage recruitment but actually improve recruiting efficiency and cut costs, reach hard-to-find talent, build better talent pools, and help to hire the most suitable people. A.I. can play a major role in this as it alleviates time consuming tasks and improves efficiency.

Why all the fuss around A.I.?

Anyone who has used Google or LinkedIn has experienced the effects of having A.I. technology and will be conscious of the ease of use and how the software remembers where you have been and also predicts where you may want to go. A.I. will perform tasks that would normally require human intelligence by applying them as algorithms. In recruitment, this means that you can search faster, match more efficiently and have automated rating between candidates and jobs that would otherwise have to be performed by someone scrutinising a CV.To create a really advanced recruitment portal, you can combine A.I. technology with CV parsing, and make it a feature of your applicant tracking and candidate management. The searching and matching engine will then pair job descriptions with CVs and select the most suitable candidates from your database for quick and easy recruitment.

http://www.social-hire.com/social-recruiting-advice/3497/do-you-have-recruiting-intelligence

As I said the real threat embedded in this kind of technology is not even the technology itself- it's the tendency of the people involved to place too much weight on the data it provides.

I'm sorry sir- the computer says no. :ph34r:

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Are you talking about data analytics or AI?

I think the two are merging- what seems to be happening is that the vast amounts of data being generated by our digital lifestyles is allowing for better AI to the degree that it now has far more information to work with.

Part of what makes us smart is experience- the ability to compare a current problem or situation with the past, and identify patterns that can be used in the present- and what big data effectively does is supply the AI algorithms with a similar set of 'experiences' upon which it can draw.

Here's how far this has already come;

State Parole Boards Use Software to Decide Which Inmates to Release

Programs look at prisoners' biographies for patterns that predict future crime

At the age of 13, Michael T. Murphy went into the woods near his home in rural New York with the 10-year-old boy who lived next door and stabbed him to death. Last year, having rejected Mr. Murphy's application 11 times over his more than a quarter-century in prison, the New York State Board of Parole set him free.

This time, the parole board deemed Mr. Murphy, then 41, to be a low risk for committing future crimes, according to parole board documents. The board reached its decision using a computer software program called Compas, one of several designed to predict whether individual convicts will return to prison.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304626104579121251595240852

So if the computer does not like you- you stay in jail- that is how much faith is already being placed in these new AI systems.

Edited by wonderpup

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I think the two are merging- what seems to be happening is that the vast amounts of data being generated by our digital lifestyles is allowing for better AI to the degree that it now has far more information to work with.

Part of what makes us smart is experience- the ability to compare a current problem or situation with the past, and identify patterns that can be used in the present- and what big data effectively does is supply the AI algorithms with a similar set of 'experiences' upon which it can draw.

Here's how far this has already come;

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304626104579121251595240852

So if the computer does not like you- you stay in jail- that is how much faith is already being placed in these new AI systems.

Wonder pup, can I suggest that you educate yourself on this subject e.g go and do an OU computer science degree or something. This will confer 2 main benefits:

1) we get a break for a few years from you essentially posting the same point worded differently once a week.

2) there is an outside chance that you might acquire enough understanding of this subject to actually say some useful.

I mean seriously your attempts to discuss this subject are like someone whos only medical experience is watching holby city, trying to talk about the nuances of heart surgery.

Cheers.

Edited by goldbug9999

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Wonder pup, can I suggest that you educate yourself on this subject e.g go and do an OU computer science degree or something. This will confer 2 main benefits:

1) we get a break for a few years from you essentially posting the same point worded differently once a week.

2) there is an outside chance that you might acquire enough understanding of this subject to actually say some useful.

Cheers.

Lack of knowledge doesn't preclude anyone from discussion of the subject matter. If it did, this forum would be empty! :lol:

Edited by aSecureTenant

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These movies are not predictions of the future of course- what they do represent is a crude form of anthropological analysis- a sample we might say- of the current preoccupations of the populace.

..might be a few musings on what a few people with a bit of "futurism" believe the future to be, but they themselves are basically clueless.

all of the " apocalypse" movies going on since the early 80's DO NOT HAVE A CONSISTENT THEME, they are riddled with conflicting scenario's...so therefore must be taken with a pinch of salt.

let's take 2 movies off the shelf for a quick example.

..DUNE...1984..... arakis(america) gets attacked by the harkonnens(supposedly russia/china and some mad mullah suicide squads)

...invasion successful for 2 years then russians/chinese/ME beaten to oblivion then emperor captured.

INDEPENDENCE DAY 1997: secret sect of clandestine nasties aiming to overthrow most of civilisation...only the US stands against...counreattack IN CONCERT WITH THE RUSSIANS/CHINESE.

I think we be somewhat perplexed by the authors of confusion( they can't even figure it out)

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What would the world look like under an advance AI overlord?

Most people would be out of work.

Most people would get poorer.

It would hoard the worlds resources for itself.

Start sporadic wars all over the world to support itself.

Tell us it is for our own good, but we are too simple to understand why.

So either,

A. Nobody will notice, because it's exactly like it is now.

Or

B. We have been under the influence of the Great AI for the past 40 years! ;)

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Lack of knowledge doesn't preclude anyone from discussion of the subject matter. If it did, this forum would be empty! :lol:

Quite right - we ignorami must stick together!

I refuse to be excluded from threads where I know nothing about the subject.

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