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Sheffield Page Hall Landlord Licensing Scheme Approved - BBC News - link

Landlords in an area of Sheffield where MPs have warned of "tensions" between communities will soon have to register for a £725 five-year licence.

Senior councillors have agreed to introduce selective licensing to about 350 properties in the Page Hall area.

The council said Page Hall was undergoing "rapid change" because of large numbers of new residents - mainly Roma migrants from Slovakia.

A report put to the council's cabinet said the aim of the scheme was to improve standards of private rented housing by ensuring landlords complied with regulations and reduce anti-social behaviour by preventing overcrowding.

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The scheme will come into effect on 22 April.

The article makes mention of a report by Sheffield City Council. It is a long ass read but it is absolutely fascinating.

A few nuggets:

  • 6.2.1 A group of particularly vocal local landlords tended to dominate the public meetings. Occasionally, as feelings ran high, some of the landlords became abusive and aggressive and the police were called to attend. Aggressive behaviour by local landlords was also experienced by officers consulting with residents on the streets of Page Hall.
  • 6.2.2 Unsurprisingly, residents told us that they felt intimidated and unable to contribute to the discussions at the public meetings. Some residents also reported that their landlord had taken their consultation questionnaire off them before they were able to complete it.
  • 6.3.5 It was expressed that there was a lack of evidence of the link between landlords and anti-social behaviour, and that it was not the landlords’ job to deal with anti-social behaviour. A significant number of landlords told us that they did not feel responsible for any the anti-social behaviour caused by their tenants and that the council, police and others should deal with this problem and not impose a burden on landlords.
  • 6.3.6 Some landlords said they had evidence that buy to let mortgage lenders were refusing to advance money to landlords with homes in areas covered by Selective Licensing schemes, thereby potentially having a negative impact on the property market and housing provision.
  • The licence holder would be the subject of a ‘fit and proper’ test which means giving consideration to any previous history like criminal convictions or failure to comply with landlord and tenant duties.
    You must supply us, within 12 months of the start of Selective Licensing with information demonstrating that you have attended a landlord training course approved by the Council, within the last 5 years.

Section 2 of the document sets out the requirements to bring a property up to standard. It's an extensive list.

There's no way on earth these landlords can cope with this.

GAME. OVER.

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Good! :D

Landlords don't create housing they capture it.

They don't believe in community.

They stifle the local economy.

And it's all the fault of somebody else.

They are the worst scum of the earth.

Even Jesus didn't mention BTL, because God didn't think anybody could be that EVIL.

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Even Jesus didn't mention BTL..

Matthew 21:33-44 (KJV):

33 Hear another parable: There was a certain householder' date=' which planted a vineyard, and hedged it round about, and digged a winepress in it, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, and went into a far country:

[sup']34 [/sup]And when the time of the fruit drew near, he sent his servants to the husbandmen, that they might receive the fruits of it.

35 And the husbandmen took his servants, and beat one, and killed another, and stoned another.

36 Again, he sent other servants more than the first: and they did unto them likewise.

37 But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son.

38 But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance.

39 And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him.

40 When the lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen?

41 They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons.

42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?

43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

44 And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.

Admittedly there is no mention of how the LL came to be one in the first place, but there's nothing like a nice spot of hellfire 'n brimstone for a Friday afternoon!

Edited by The Ayatollah Buggeri

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Amen to that.

Has anybody actually read the report? It's like a HPC w**kfest of ideas, if they roll this out nationwide then it really is 'Game over man, game over!' :lol:

Edited by XswampyX

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It was approved because of "low housing demand" in the area and states that falling house prices due to this are a bad thing.

Landlords should definitely be "Fit and Proper" as they, after all, are dealing with people's housing. You definitely wouldn't want to rent a house from someone who had a previous conviction for threatening behaviour, violence or fraud. Likewise I'd be concerned if they had had significant debt problems or previous bankruptcy. There should really be something nationwide - a "Fit and Proper" test and a searchable register with previous concerns flagged.

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Amen to that.

Has anybody actually read the report? It's like a HPC w**kfest of ideas, if they roll this out nationwide then it really is 'Game over man, game over!' :lol:

:lol::lol::lol:

The report is just priceless. It's like Christmas has come again!

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:lol::lol::lol:

The report is just priceless. It's like Christmas has come again!

"The council said Page Hall was undergoing "rapid change" because of large numbers of new residents - mainly Roma migrants from Slovakia."

I thought that bit was a bit less festive.

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The only action available to LL to deal with neighbour nuisance etc is to evict. Cos that's the process the LA and HA use.

There are very few measures that work. ASBOs may make a tiny difference but have to be enforced by the police.

Best practice is likely to be move the problem on.

"The Council has successfully bid for £145,000 of Go

vernment ‘rogue landlord’

funding to help support enforcement of the schem"

Oo cool. How many jobs did that provide for a year - ongoing costs to be met by who?

Edited by SarahBell

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As we predicted on this site a goodly while ago, as the number of renters increase (as the entry age of houseowners goes up and up), the pollies start to notice that there is a goodly voting block there. Policies change accordingly to screw the minority. Shortly, across the land, the BTL brigade will be the minority voters (at the moment they vote a lot due to age, etc) and when that happens - watch the pigs lead to the slaughter....

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Just read this:

7.16 It is important to clarify that all properties being rented out should already meet legal standards. For those that aren’t, we will al

low time and provide expert support to help landlords to understand and implement any required

improvements. However, we will take robust action where properties are not brought up to standard. The additional enforcement

activity will further boost this.

Er....no. Can you imagine a restaurant with health issues being allowed to stay open without immediate action? Or a petrol station breaking health and safety?

Inspect, give 2 weeks to implement improvements, or send council assigned workmen in and levy a lian. FFsake.

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Just read this:

7.16 It is important to clarify that all properties being rented out should already meet legal standards. For those that aren't, we will al

low time and provide expert support to help landlords to understand and implement any required

improvements. However, we will take robust action where properties are not brought up to standard. The additional enforcement

activity will further boost this.

Er....no. Can you imagine a restaurant with health issues being allowed to stay open without immediate action? Or a petrol station breaking health and safety?

Inspect, give 2 weeks to implement improvements, or send council assigned workmen in and levy a lian. FFsake.

Put the tenants in suitable accommodation near to work etc - 4 star hotel (or equivalent spending money) should do it - all costs on landlord.

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reading this it seems to me that the ones with the antisocial problems are the landlords not the tenants

Should have been jailed?

Would they have failed the 'fit and proper' test or have they already failed it by aggressive behaviour and failing in their current legal duties?

Edited by NorthamptonBear

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There are loads of councils either consulting on bringing in Landlord licensing or bringing it in council wide. I think it was great that Newham had the balls to bring it in as they set the agenda and now loads of other councils are following suit. If Labour get in it will be compulsory nationwide. Could shake up the sector a lot and it is obviously a very easy cash cow to milk when things are running dry at HMRC.

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There are loads of councils either consulting on bringing in Landlord licensing or bringing it in council wide. I think it was great that Newham had the balls to bring it in as they set the agenda and now loads of other councils are following suit. If Labour get in it will be compulsory nationwide. Could shake up the sector a lot and it is obviously a very easy cash cow to milk when things are running dry at HMRC.

LLs are about to be milked - popular and potentially lucrative, what's not to like? I suspect a lot of LLs will be in denial until they're hit...

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reading this it seems to me that the ones with the antisocial problems are the landlords not the tenants

Landlords With Attitude

I wished I'd been there to see the look on their faces when the penny dropped and the mood turned ugly

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There are loads of councils either consulting on bringing in Landlord licensing or bringing it in council wide. I think it was great that Newham had the balls to bring it in as they set the agenda and now loads of other councils are following suit. If Labour get in it will be compulsory nationwide. Could shake up the sector a lot and it is obviously a very easy cash cow to milk when things are running dry at HMRC.

The Tories will bring in a law soon banning these schemes.

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There are loads of councils either consulting on bringing in Landlord licensing or bringing it in council wide. I think it was great that Newham had the balls to bring it in as they set the agenda and now loads of other councils are following suit. If Labour get in it will be compulsory nationwide. Could shake up the sector a lot and it is obviously a very easy cash cow to milk when things are running dry at HMRC.

Here in southampton the labour run council is bringing in a licensing scheme too, had a campaign leaflet through the door yesterday it was mentioned on there as one if the things theyre doing for residents.

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Would watch it savouring some popcorn.

Especially if the registration fee is per property rather than per landlord. I don't know how many houses the Wilsons now own, but £750 multiplied by that figure would not be small change, even for them.

One law of unintended consequences potential, though: if the charge is going to be per property, then it's actually giving councils an incentive to encourage BTL, as they'll be getting council tax plus £750 per year per property, not just the council tax.

Edited by The Ayatollah Buggeri

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Especially if the registration fee is per property rather than per landlord. I don't know how many houses the Wilsons now own, but £750 multiplied by that figure would not be small change, even for them.

One law of unintended consequences potential, though: if the charge is going to be per property, then it's actually giving councils an incentive to encourage BTL, as they'll be getting council tax plus £750 per year per property, not just the council tax.

From the Page Hall report:

  • A landlord would need to apply for a licence for each house or flat they own. The scheme would be run by administrative officers in the Council who would process applications and payments, issue repairs schedules and licences, and ensure payment is received and processed. They would escalate cases to a licensing enforcement officer who would take action for breach of the licence / non-payment and complete court paperwork if necessary

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From the Page Hall report:

£750 one off or annually?

Now if they did this in Ashford then £750 x800 =£600k bill for Fergus!

(+ how much from voids!)

Edited by koala_bear

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Especially if the registration fee is per property rather than per landlord. I don't know how many houses the Wilsons now own, but £750 multiplied by that figure would not be small change, even for them.

One law of unintended consequences potential, though: if the charge is going to be per property, then it's actually giving councils an incentive to encourage BTL, as they'll be getting council tax plus £750 per year per property, not just the council tax.

£750 = five year licence per house

This is only going to be for 350 houses in page hall distric of Shefield, lets just hope it catches on

Edited by long time lurking

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