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It's one of those 'debates' that reaches places where double-facepalms fear to tread.

On one hand, the anti-fracking brigade will happily repeat points (about tap water catching fire, earthquakes, noise, whatever) that are demonstrably false, picket drilling sites that are not related to fracking, and generally stumble around in ignorant panic, convinced, however, that the Frackers Are Big Oil And Therefore Evil.

On the other, the Coalition would probably discard the very regulations that make fracking acceptably safe given half the chance and will probably find a way to privatise any and all profits whilst paying for the final clean up. Whilst denying that they are doing it.

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It's one of those 'debates' that reaches places where double-facepalms fear to tread.

On one hand, the anti-fracking brigade will happily repeat points (about tap water catching fire, earthquakes, noise, whatever) that are demonstrably false, picket drilling sites that are not related to fracking, and generally stumble around in ignorant panic, convinced, however, that the Frackers Are Big Oil And Therefore Evil.

On the other, the Coalition would probably discard the very regulations that make fracking acceptably safe given half the chance and will probably find a way to privatise any and all profits whilst paying for the final clean up. Whilst denying that they are doing it.

Is there sufficient potential revenues to justify setting up a sovereign wealth fund? ie. is it anywhere near the size of North Sea Oil?(forgive my ignorance). Might lobby my local MP if so.

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On one hand, the anti-fracking brigade will happily repeat points (about tap water catching fire, earthquakes, noise, whatever) that are demonstrably false,

Apart from the tap water, the others have been proved time and time again. By scientists and recorded in official reports.

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Apart from the tap water, the others have been proved time and time again. By scientists and recorded in official reports.

Have you ever been above the epicenter of a magnitude 2 earthquake?

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It's one of those 'debates' that reaches places where double-facepalms fear to tread.

On one hand, the anti-fracking brigade will happily repeat points (about tap water catching fire, earthquakes, noise, whatever) that are demonstrably false, picket drilling sites that are not related to fracking, and generally stumble around in ignorant panic, convinced, however, that the Frackers Are Big Oil And Therefore Evil.

On the other, the Coalition would probably discard the very regulations that make fracking acceptably safe given half the chance and will probably find a way to privatise any and all profits whilst paying for the final clean up. Whilst denying that they are doing it.

Well that post above is worthy of a double face palm at least.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/8864669/Cuadrilla-admits-drilling-caused-Blackpool-earthquakes.html

Cuadrilla admits drilling caused Blackpool earthquakes

The pipe string was crushed ,after triggering a 2000 ft fissure .which is why they capped it

Not going to bother to mention the Texas earthquakes or the multiple court cases of water contamination .

They are drilling to prove economically viable gas extraction via post fracking , what's the difference ? Just "drilling" means they don't need the waste licences so planning permission is easier to get .

The frack zone in Balcombe was admitted in error to be only 720 ft or so below the surface !

Have you ever been above the epicenter of a magnitude 2 earthquake?

Irrelevant, it can take less than a 1 to cause containment failure in a pipe string .

Its not the damage on the surface that matters , its the opening of conduits below.

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Is there sufficient potential revenues to justify setting up a sovereign wealth fund? ie. is it anywhere near the size of North Sea Oil?(forgive my ignorance). Might lobby my local MP if so.

Politicians looking beyond the 4/5-year electoral cycle? Can't see it catching on...

Besides, sounds like we've already sold the rights to the French!

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Cuadrilla admits drilling caused Blackpool earthquakes

The pipe string was crushed ,after triggering a 2000 ft fissure .which is why they capped it

A 2.3 earthquake is nothing. They are regular occurrences across the country. You would most likely not even notice.

They are drilling to prove economically viable gas extraction via post fracking , what's the difference ? Just "drilling" means they don't need the waste licences so planning permission is easier to get .

Actually I thought Balcome was standard oil exploration. The biggest onshore oilfield in Europe is not too far away, been operating for decades, probably with fracking, with no one noticing..

The frack zone in Balcombe was admitted in error to be only 720 ft or so below the surface !

Irrelevant, it can take less than a 1 to cause containment failure in a pipe string .

Its not the damage on the surface that matters , its the opening of conduits below.

Do you have any idea what you are talking about?

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A 2.3 earthquake is nothing. They are regular occurrences across the country. You would most likely not even notice.

Actually I thought Balcome was standard oil exploration. The biggest onshore oilfield in Europe is not too far away, been operating for decades, probably with fracking, with no one noticing..

Do you have any idea what you are talking about?

Do you ?

On one hand, the anti-fracking brigade will happily repeat points (about tap water catching fire, earthquakes, noise, whatever) that are demonstrably false,

If a 2.3 earthquake is nothing , why did Caudrilla walk? .......see earlier reply

You don't need to "feel it".

Balcombe dispute over actual depth of fracking zone and potential aquifer pollution

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthnews/9757086/Minister-misleads-over-fracking.html

There's a considerable debate in the states as its becoming more and more apparent that the actual mobility of fluids within strata is distancing itself from the predictive models.

"There is no certainty at all in any of this, and whoever tells you the opposite is not telling you the truth,' said Stefan Finsterle, a leading hydrogeologist at Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory who specializes in understanding the properties of rock layers and modeling how fluid flows through them. "You have changed the system with pressure and temperature and fracturing, so you don't know how it will behave."

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=are-fracking-wastewater-wells-poisoning-ground-beneath-our-feeth

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Do you ?

If a 2.3 earthquake is nothing , why did Caudrilla walk? .......see earlier reply

You don't need to "feel it".

Balcombe dispute over actual depth of fracking zone and potential aquifer pollution

http://www.telegraph...r-fracking.html

There's a considerable debate in the states as its becoming more and more apparent that the actual mobility of fluids within strata is distancing itself from the predictive models.

http://www.scientifi...neath-our-feeth

every time a bus or heavy truck passes my house it is shaking. who do I get the compensation from ???

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Have you ever been above the epicenter of a magnitude 2 earthquake?

cars in UK kill about 3000 humans every year. I suggest to make them illegal and bring the horses back ...

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every time a bus or heavy truck passes my house it is shaking. who do I get the compensation from ???

As I pointed out earlier , its not what happens on the surface that matters. You may not notice that its even happened ,

... although if there is eventually a 5 plus such as what as been happening in Texas...... and has caused structural damage , inevitably in brick buildings , best of luck on your insurance claim , better say it was the trucks , be around 50 a day ,every day per pad rather than the insurance exempt fracking . ....Not sure if the insurance company will exempt them as well though? Dunno?

Fair chance of finding out yourself , government estimates 2880 wells in the first round . Might actually trigger a HPC....hurrah!

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Nick Boles, the planning minister, said the law would be changed to allow gas companies to put in fracking applications without sending out letters to tell people about possible drilling beneath their properties. Instead, companies will be required to publish a notice in a local newspaper and put up site displays in local parishes, as well as conducting a wider consultation

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/dec/18/fracking-allowed-homes-without-owners-knowledge-gas-drilling

the government said it would be too burdensome for gas companies to tell everybody within a wide radius of drilling that it might take place under their homes.

Know your place ...plebs....you are not worthy...!

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You will not see this on the bbc

The Somerset perspective

If you own or rent a property in the 60% of the UK that's been licenced , this concerns you .....or at least it should .

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Well that post above is worthy of a double face palm at least.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/8864669/Cuadrilla-admits-drilling-caused-Blackpool-earthquakes.html

Cuadrilla admits drilling caused Blackpool earthquakes

The pipe string was crushed ,after triggering a 2000 ft fissure .which is why they capped it

Not going to bother to mention the Texas earthquakes or the multiple court cases of water contamination .

They are drilling to prove economically viable gas extraction via post fracking , what's the difference ? Just "drilling" means they don't need the waste licences so planning permission is easier to get .

The frack zone in Balcombe was admitted in error to be only 720 ft or so below the surface !

Irrelevant, it can take less than a 1 to cause containment failure in a pipe string .

Its not the damage on the surface that matters , its the opening of conduits below.

And if you are in a major earthquake zone - San Andeas fault perhaps - a small quake could trigger a much larger one.

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Have you ever been above the epicenter of a magnitude 2 earthquake?

I really think you should not be so dismissive. Here is an article in a peer-reviewed journal. 5.7 is a whole different kettle of fish.

http://geology.gsapubs.org/content/early/2013/03/26/G34045.1.abstract?cited-by=yes&legid=geology;G34045.1v1

a Mw 5.7 earthquake in November 2011 in Oklahoma: The earthquake was felt in at least 17 states and caused damage in the epicentral region. It occurred in a sequence, with 2 earthquakes of Mw 5.0 and a prolific sequence of aftershocks. We use the aftershocks to illuminate the faults that ruptured in the sequence, and show that the tip of the initial rupture plane is within ∼200 m of active injection wells and within ∼1 km of the surface

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