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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/exclusive-lib-dems-risk-proporn-label-as-they-oppose-internet-filters-9050312.html

Liberal Democrats are preparing to demand that David Cameron drops his plan for “opt-out” internet porn filters to be installed in homes.

Internet service providers are rolling out network-wide internet censorship controls in time for a government deadline of the end of the year. They will require every household to choose whether or not they want to be able to access legal pornography sites.

But in the latest sign of potential conflict between the Coalition partners, senior Lib Dems are preparing to commit the party to a policy of demanding that the Government drops opt-out filters.

Tim Farron, the Liberal Democrat President, has drafted a motion for the party’s Spring Conference, decrying the policy which it says would prevent people from accessing legitimate websites while “giving parents a false sense of security”.

It calls on ministers to bring in legislation enshrining the “digital rights of the citizen” which would include stopping “any requirement for opt-ins, opt-outs, filters, lists or controls on legal material”. Internet providers would still be free to offer parental controls or filters, but it would be up to “families and individuals to decide if and how they wish to use them”, it adds.

Speaking to The Independent, Mr Farron said there was growing evidence that the filters were ineffectual and doing more harm than good.

“Essential sites on sexual health, gender and sexuality, domestic violence and LGBT rights are being blocked by these filters, whilst pornographic content is still available,” he said. “Our motion is designed to strengthen Lib Dem ministers’ hands in challenging this nonsensical policy, which has yet to be brought before the House of Commons.”

So if you blocked illegal websites and can only access legal porn, will people be able to argue if they have access to a streaming site and get a legal letter they have been accessing copyrighted material illegally who is going to end up liable? Is the govt stupidly going to create another legal mess?

Not that these filters will achieve anything as I bet within a few minutes of them being put in place it will take teenagers a matter of minutes to work out how to get their fix.

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So if you blocked illegal websites and can only access legal porn, will people be able to argue if they have access to a streaming site and get a legal letter they have been accessing copyrighted material illegally who is going to end up liable? Is the govt stupidly going to create another legal mess?

Not that these filters will achieve anything as I bet within a few minutes of them being put in place it will take teenagers a matter of minutes to work out how to get their fix.

'Vote for us, we won't cut off your pron..'

Looking for a surprise majority at the next election, then..

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Not that these filters will achieve anything as I bet within a few minutes of them being put in place it will take teenagers a matter of minutes to work out how to get their fix.

Already done! Go Away Cameron extension for Chrome.

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When the list is inevitably leaked of who has opted out, you can be sure that if any of your pals aren't on it they have been bitchslapped to opt-in.

Be on the winners list people, opt out!

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We shouldn't forget that it's not just about pron. Am I right in saying that the HPC forum will be blocked by default?

Nice looking extension to Chrome. Hope someone does one for Firefox.

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We shouldn't forget that it's not just about pron. Am I right in saying that the HPC forum will be blocked by default?

Not sure, but it is the case that 'controversial' sites may suddenly find themselves 'blocked for the sake of the easily offended kids'.

The worrying thing is that whilst you may be able to get around such blocks, they will be effective for 90-odd percent of users. And for the really paranoid, you'd note that the 10% or so who get round the blocks have just painted 'digital troublemaker' on their forehead.

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We shouldn't forget that it's not just about pron. Am I right in saying that the HPC forum will be blocked by default?

Nice looking extension to Chrome. Hope someone does one for Firefox.

Yep. I was using my laptop round somebody else's house, just signed up to new contract with TalkTalk.

Go to HPC - blocked - social media.

Go to competition site - blocked - gambling.

Give up.

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Yep. I was using my laptop round somebody else's house, just signed up to new contract with TalkTalk.

Go to HPC - blocked - social media.

Go to competition site - blocked - gambling.

Give up.

Not many people realise the internet is already heavily censored. Here is a list of 122 men's rights sites blocked in the UK by O2, Norton, Symantec.

http://therightsofman.typepad.co.uk/the_rights_of_man/2013/02/the-48-mens-human-rights-sites-feminists-seek-to-censor.html

TPTB want to reduce the internet to a grand shopping site and private data collection engine, that's all.

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Not many people realise the internet is already heavily censored. Here is a list of 122 men's rights sites blocked in the UK by O2, Norton, Symantec.

http://therightsofman.typepad.co.uk/the_rights_of_man/2013/02/the-48-mens-human-rights-sites-feminists-seek-to-censor.html

TPTB want to reduce the internet to a grand shopping site and private data collection engine, that's all.

I think TalkTalk want people just to read the TalkTalk site!

I tried three of those which worked so my provider / virus software isn't blocking them. Yet. They were totally normal websites, I couldn't see any reason for their being blocked.

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Yep. I was using my laptop round somebody else's house, just signed up to new contract with TalkTalk.

Go to HPC - blocked - social media.

Go to competition site - blocked - gambling.

Give up.

I'm not a lawyer, but I can see a lawsuit in there somewhere.

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Not many people realise the internet is already heavily censored. Here is a list of 122 men's rights sites blocked in the UK by O2, Norton, Symantec.

http://therightsofman.typepad.co.uk/the_rights_of_man/2013/02/the-48-mens-human-rights-sites-feminists-seek-to-censor.html

TPTB want to reduce the internet to a grand shopping site and private data collection engine, that's all.

Ha ha! It will become like TV shopping channels, and then I will cut it off! :angry:

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I think TalkTalk want people just to read the TalkTalk site!

Reminds me of when I first got online, I thought the Compuserve home screen was the entire internet! :o

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Reminds me of when I first got online, I thought the Compuserve home screen was the entire internet! :o

It will be, if some people have their way. :lol:

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Not sure, but it is the case that 'controversial' sites may suddenly find themselves 'blocked for the sake of the easily offended kids'.

The worrying thing is that whilst you may be able to get around such blocks, they will be effective for 90-odd percent of users. And for the really paranoid, you'd note that the 10% or so who get round the blocks have just painted 'digital troublemaker' on their forehead.

That's a very good point. Even if you are smart enough to circumvent censorship (to preserve your own freedom of choice) you are likely to be in the minority. Before too long censorship is the norm and accepted. Swimming against the tide gets harder and preferred perceptions reinforced.

The internet is such a gift, it will be such a shame for it to be usurped, because some feel threatened.

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That's a very good point. Even if you are smart enough to circumvent censorship (to preserve your own freedom of choice) you are likely to be in the minority. Before too long censorship is the norm and accepted. Swimming against the tide gets harder and preferred perceptions reinforced.

until you start to learn of people nearest and dearest to you that have "disappeared"

...and you know for a fact they were rather vocal in their opinions of the "establishment"......these people are not entirely in tune with "the collective", you see

...so therefore need more intensive education to "enlighten" them...in a more "official" style of school if home schooling(ie tv propaganda) doesn't work.

that's how it started in nazi germany and the USSR.

I guess most people will probably start to get a bit uppity when the ruling body decrees that only certain breeds of people who pass specific psychometric and physical tests will be allowed to procreate...everybody failing to meet said criteria will be sterilised....(they would probably start with the manufactured trailer trash tv types on jeremy kyle, and most people would cheer them on.........but they would be just the start.)

or is that too in-yer-face?

how blatant do you want things to get before you say NO?

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Scumbags. They regulate the internet because too much truth is not a good thing in society I guess and we get nothing, the amerkins get cannabis. We going to back to world war 1 & 2 times when you could spoon feed the sheeple anything and they'd believe it. West wiped out 30% of korea's population but you hear nk are evil yada yada. Maybe with the internet regulated the next proxy war could actually be a success.

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That's a very good point. Even if you are smart enough to circumvent censorship (to preserve your own freedom of choice) you are likely to be in the minority. Before too long censorship is the norm and accepted. Swimming against the tide gets harder and preferred perceptions reinforced.

The internet is such a gift, it will be such a shame for it to be usurped, because some feel threatened.

Given how little resistance most of the sheeple give to the fact that they have to slave for their whole lives just to put a roof over their head, I doubt many of them will protest at some 'dirty' or generally 'dodgy' websites being banned.

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Given how little resistance most of the sheeple give to the fact that they have to slave for their whole lives just to put a roof over their head, I doubt many of them will protest at some 'dirty' or generally 'dodgy' websites being banned.

To protect the children, of course.

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