billybong Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 (edited) http:// news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/in_depth/brits_abroad/html/europe.stm# That is (apparently) a 2006 BBC publication based on the 2001 Census. Apart from giving figures the above link also gives maps of where the people from different countries appear to be concentrated in the UK - so far and generally speaking the highest densities are mainly in and around London spreading out to the South coast and the midlands with lesser densities elsewhere. Then there's http:// en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign-born_population_of_the_United_Kingdom and http:// en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_diaspora Wikipedia also gives figures for British living overseas. Those figures also appear to be based on the 2001 Census. From the above links the figures shown in the table below can be gleaned. glean obtain (information) from various sources, often with difficulty. 1. The 1st column is number of British living in the country listed. 2. The 2nd column is the number of people from the country listed living in the UK in 2001. 3. The 3rd column is the number of people from the country listed living in the UK in 2011. 4. The bracketed figures are the approximate difference (in 000s and in round figures) between the 2001 figures and the 2011 figures (that is the difference between items 2.) and 3.) ) . How accurate the sources and source figures are is difficult to know and in some cases the BBC figures seem to vary a bit from the Wikipedia figures even though they're supposed to both be from the same census - and there also seems to be some variance with figures in the migrationobservatory link below. Probably the variances aren't enough to make much difference to the overall figures/picture. --- Austria, 8500, 19511 NA Belgium, 28000,...21498, 28000 (7) Bulgaria, 800, 5273, 52000 (47) Croatia, 890, 6992, NA Cyprus, 59000, 77156, 54000 (-23) Czech Republic, 6800, 12077, 30000 (18) Denmark, 11000, 18493, NA Estonia, 750, 2005, NA Finland, 2800, 11228, NA France, 200000,...94178, 137000 (43) Germany, 115000, 262276, 297000 (35) Greece, 18000, 35007, 31,000 (-4) Hungary, 5200, 13179, 42000 (29) R o Ireland, 291000, 494850, 457000 (-38) Italy, 26000, 107002, 124000 (17) Latvia, 370, 4275, 48000 (44) Lithuania, 289, 4363, 87000 (83) Luxembourg, 5500,...1236, NA Malta, 9000, 30178, 26000 (-4) Netherlands, 44000, 40438, 56000 (16) Poland, 5600, 60680, 643000 (582) Portugal, 38000,...36402, NA Romania, 4500, 7617, 87000 (79) Slovakia, 740, 5273, 54000 (49) Slovenia, 330, 1228, NA Spain, 761000,...54105, 71000 (17) Sweden 18000, 22366, 27000 (5) NA means not available (so far) ------- In 2001 about 1.6 million Brits lived in *other eu countries although the vast majority (about 1.3 million) were in 4 eu countries - Spain, R o Ireland, France, and Germany. (* - just for the record it's accepted that the UK is currently to be regarded as part of the eu - despite no referendum on the matter) http:// www.migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/britains-70-million-debate/5-british-and-other-eu-migration From figure 11 of the above migrationobservatory link in the period since 2001 it appears that on average about 30,000 Brits per year net have been going to live in other eu countries. So that would make the total of Brits in 2011 in other eu countries about 1.6 million + 0.3 million = 1.6 million - compared to a total of about 2.5 million people from the eu in the UK in 2011 (see paragraph below). ----- In 2001 about 1.5 million people from the eu lived in the UK and there was an increase of about 1 million since 2001 upto 2011 - the vast majority coming from Poland but also significant numbers from Lithuania, Rumania, Slovakia, Bulgaria, France and Germany. Totalling about 2.5 million from the eu living in the UK in 2011. ----- Upto 2011 about 1 million arriving from the eu since 2001 compared to about 0.3 million Brits going to the eu (in net terms). Likely the figures are a fair bit larger now in 2014 - 3 years on from 2011. In 2001 5 countries (Belgium, France, Luxembourg, Portugal and Spain) out of 27 had more Brits in their country than vice versa. France and Spain being especially popular with Brits. Then: http:// en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign-born_population_of_the_United_Kingdom 2001 4,896,600 2010 7,354,000 --------------------- Difference = 2,547,400 --------------------- Say 2.5 million. So since 2001 about 1 million came from the eu and about 1.5 million came from outside of the eu (upto about 2010/2011). If the links are about accurate. Those are huge shifts in population. Of course the figures are only upto about 2011 which, needless to say, is 3 years ago. Just saying. Edited January 5, 2014 by billybong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowflux Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 (edited) As a liberal, the fact that so many people are now able to live and work wherever they damn well please without permission from government apparatchiks gladdens my heart. Edited January 5, 2014 by snowflux Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybong Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 (edited) In the period from 2001 to 2011 about 1.3 million? or so new properties were built and likely quite a few demolished. Ignoring those demolished it's hardly near enough to accommodate new arrivals (new arrivals totalling about 2.5 million in that period - if the stats are to be believed?) and considering a lot will have been single and from different backgrounds etc and then there's subsequent offspring in that period to be considered. Let alone taking into account the overall increase in population (including the new arrivals) during that period of about 4.4 million. SInce 2011 the situation will have got worse with even fewer properties being built each year and a further increase in population each year. It's madcapism. Edited January 5, 2014 by billybong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpewLabour Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 (edited) Nice to see Bulgaria demanding we give their citizens unrestricted access to our country, yet they refuse to lift the ban on foreigners buying land in their country! http://www.euractiv.com/central-europe/bulgaria-extends-land-purchase-b-news-531248 Edited January 5, 2014 by SpewLabour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
workhou Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 Nice to see Bulgaria demanding we give their citizens unrestricted access to our country, yet they refuse to lift the ban on foreigners buying land in their country! http://www.euractiv.com/central-europe/bulgaria-extends-land-purchase-b-news-531248 Friends of mine have just purchased a house in some remote part of Bulgaria. Paid 7k for it on ebay. Somewhere to store your stuff.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geezer466 Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Every nation is multicultural, if you're willing to look back far enough. But, any attempt to link Britain's past and the immigration explosion of recent times is disingenuous at best. The similarities are few and far between. The sheer overwhelming numbers and massive change in ethnic demographics resulting from the poorly managed policy of recent years is simply unprecedented, unsustainable and (thankfully) growing increasingly unpopular with voters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pindar Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Jezus - if you dont think mass immigration is a reality for the future of the UK, then you have your head stuck deep in the sand. Im watching it happen already. As above. The benefit migrants is small news and worry to me, the above quoted wage is the norm from these new EU countries. You can bee assured that there are many well educated people from the eastern block more than keen to take on "professional" jobs at half the price (and less), and why wouldn't they? I would.! Good job that several decades of UK government build up a strong education system for our kids to compete.. Yes but they'll pay half of their professional salary to live in a pokey BTL. Hardly a win-win, driving down living standards in their new country and lining the pockets of the BTL brigade. Actually, lack of house building may even be a blessing in disguise if it's realised by migrants that their standard of living isn't actually increasing that much because of ever higher housing costs. They'll also see that the already strained schools are giving their kids an even worse education than they would have got back home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awaytogo Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Couldn't care less about the news. We still need out of the corrupt eu and strict immigration controls. It's a dead cert ukip vote for now. +2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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