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Would-be women engineers will get extra financial support next year under a government scheme in England.

The Brunel University project will give grants of £1,250 a month to 40 women on postgraduate engineering courses.

It's part of a £25m pilot scheme to boost postgraduate study, particularly among under-represented groups.

"Only around a quarter of students on engineering master's courses are women," said Brunel engineering lecturer, Petra Gratton.

"Bluntly speaking, that has to change if UK engineering is going to continue to compete as successfully as it currently does.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-25300669

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How many men do English or Drama degrees?

Grants a-plenty for men then!

I won't be happy until half of midwives are men. The current dominance of women in the profession shows a clear and blatant bias.

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Our engineering school is continually criticised for the low percentage of women students and staff, but both those percentages are higher than the percentage that apply to study with us from schools, clearly the problem occurs before they apply to university.

An old friend from my undergraduate days is a professor at a good Canadian university, for a while I asked him to let me know of any job they had coming up, I saw one advertised there and asked him (partially joking) why he had not let me know about it. His reply was "sorry feel free to apply, but completely off the record, the dean has told me it has to be a women appointed ...."

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Well, let's face it, if women were any good at engineering then Mary would have been out building the SS Great Western and the Tamar Bridge while Isambard stayed at home changing the nappies. ;)

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Honestly I've grown so weary of the misandry in Britain that I mentally shut it out. So women are under-represented in engineering? So what. Can someone explain exactly why this is a problem, and why changing it will save British engineering? The most simple answer is often the correct one, so could it be that most women just aren't interested in engineering? But of course this is irrelevent, and the situation needs to be "corrected". And we'll do this by giving money to women and not to men.

Vagina good. ***** bad.

You will obey :lol:

PS - blimey, will you look at that! We can type vagina but p**** isn't even allowed. Aaaagh.... I'm off to hang my bad male self.

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Politicians and the public sector believe there is no problem that cannot be fixed by throwing vast amounts of other people's money at it.

When there is no problem, as in this case, they try to create one.

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The Government can't make more women into Engineers by bribing them! Most are not interested, even though they would meet a load of blokes!

Even a five year old can see the difference between blokes, and birds! :blink:

It's very silly to pretend that men and women are exactly the same!

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How many men do English or Drama degrees?

Grants a-plenty for men then!

Plenty of blokes do English degrees! They usually end up in computing! It is the thought process, and analytical skills, that are important!

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The Government can't make more women into Engineers by bribing them! Most are not interested, even though they would meet a load of blokes!

Having spent my student years sharing a house with a bunch of trainee engineers I can understand their reluctance.

BTW 90% of them went off to be accountants which says all you need to know about Britain's problems.

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Having spent my student years sharing a house with a bunch of trainee engineers I can understand their reluctance.

BTW 90% of them went off to be accountants which says all you need to know about Britain's problems.

I remember mechanical engineering students, all had leather jackets, and smelled of WD40, and chain lube! Way to go! ;)

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Very interesting story, we need more people studying engineering as a whole not just women if the UK is to have good future. That said in the UK there is a bad perception of engineering and many people do not truly understand what an engineer actually does everyday, the beauty about engineering is its wide variety even within a specialisation e.g. mechanical, civil or electronic ( I am electronics myself).

It is a shame this support is not open to engineering students as a whole and not just women, engineering has been very good to me and a dream of mine is to establish a charity to support engineering students through uni without incurring debt.

The problem here is politicians and people who need to find issues to "solve", in a fair world every one should have an equal opportunity to become whatever their skills, intellect and enables them to achieve. This does not translate to a 50:50 ratio of males and females in engineering or the boardroom etc.

If people want to make it a pure numbers games then we need to address the biggest inequality of them all the number of men in prions (approx 80K) to the number of women in prison (5K). I somehow suspect that does not align with the message.

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Okay totally single-case anecdote but I employed a good accounts temp who had wanted to be a civil engineer, had the qualifications, did some big projects (I assume rather well, she was good as I say) but she left it and went into accounting because of the overwhelmingly male environment that meant she was not getting the promotions or projects. She didn't whinge about it but that was her answer when I asked about the change.

So there perhaps is a "critical mass" of women in engineering which would encourage them to take it up and stay in it. And a bit of pump-priming would help that.

There is the wider debate that economy-useful subjects should be subsidised but then what are useful subjects? I did accountancy training with several business studies graduates and they were no better (tbbh* they were a damn sight worse) than those of us with non-relevant degrees. So for the field I know if you want more accountants (not sure anybody does :unsure: ) then more people doing accountancy / finance degrees would be useless. An academic degree is not remotely useful for real work in accounts.

* to be brutally honest

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Surely the'd all be sitting in front of computers messing about with autocad - rather than getting greasy with spanners?

The amusing truth, is none of them had a motorbike! I smelled of WD40 for a good reason! Of course I would have a bath if I met a woman, which was usually in April!, Unfortunately, amusing Autocad stories do not excite women! A motorbike is quite good though!

You can't "make" people into Engineers! You either like it or not. :o

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Okay totally single-case anecdote but I employed a good accounts temp who had wanted to be a civil engineer, had the qualifications, did some big projects (I assume rather well, she was good as I say) but she left it and went into accounting because of the overwhelmingly male environment that meant she was not getting the promotions or projects.

* to be brutally honest

I applaud your recommendation of "Business Studies"! ;)

Sure Frank. Engineering is definitely a male biased world! Some women do it! It is not for all!

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Okay totally single-case anecdote but I employed a good accounts temp who had wanted to be a civil engineer, had the qualifications, did some big projects (I assume rather well, she was good as I say) but she left it and went into accounting because of the overwhelmingly male environment that meant she was not getting the promotions or projects. She didn't whinge about it but that was her answer when I asked about the change.

So there perhaps is a "critical mass" of women in engineering which would encourage them to take it up and stay in it. And a bit of pump-priming would help that.

There is the wider debate that economy-useful subjects should be subsidised but then what are useful subjects? I did accountancy training with several business studies graduates and they were no better (tbbh* they were a damn sight worse) than those of us with non-relevant degrees. So for the field I know if you want more accountants (not sure anybody does :unsure: ) then more people doing accountancy / finance degrees would be useless. An academic degree is not remotely useful for real work in accounts.

* to be brutally honest

I'd agree that accountancy degrees are fairly pointless. To be a proper accountant you still need to get professionally qualified which you can do with any degree, or without a degree as a mature studemt.

In a properly functioning market for education you wouldn't need to pick and choose "worthwhile" courses to subsidise. People would pay to do the courses they felt were of benefit to them, and employers would need to pay for training to meet any skills gaps that existed. But since we're not getting to that point from here anytime soon, chucking money at the STEM subjects is something I won't object to.

Edit to add: It's worth noting that as far as I'm aware there's no goverment subsidy of prof. accounting training. You pay yourself, or the employer pays. As noted there's no shortage of accountants. (If there is a shortage, wages go up, the jobs become more desireable, more people do the training..)

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The amusing truth, is none of them had a motorbike! I smelled of WD40 for a good reason! Of course I would have a bath if I met a woman, which was usually in April!, Unfortunately, amusing Autocad stories do not excite women! A motorbike is quite good though!

You can't "make" people into Engineers! You either like it or not. :o

Lots of women read this forum so you should at least give it a try.

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Lots of women read this forum so you should at least give it a try.

I've given up finding a woman that knows the difference between a "foot pump" and a "torque wrench", neither of which are gay fetishes BTW! :blink:

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But since we're not getting to that point from here anytime soon, chucking money at the STEM subjects is something I won't object to.

I would vote for this.

Oh, wait, I did vote for this.

Damn liberals :angry:

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