Curbs On Eu Benefits To Come Into Force

[awaytogo]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-25421086

New rules on how long EU jobseekers will have to wait to claim benefits are to be brought in early, No 10 has said.

Surprising what they can rush through when they want to.

[dances with sheeple]

http://www.bbc.co.uk...litics-25421086

New rules on how long EU jobseekers will have to wait to claim benefits are to be brought in early, No 10 has said.

Surprising what they can rush through when they want to.

Surprising how UKIP are totally controlling the narrative now? Should be longer, 12 months maybe? People shouldn`t come here unless they have a job and/or savings to support themselves for at least 6 months IMO. Will this have any knock on for BTL I wonder

[Mr. Miyagi]

'out of work benefits' does this restriction apply to those that come and claim self employment and benefits associated with low wages?

[Trampa501]

'out of work benefits' does this restriction apply to those that come and claim self employment and benefits associated with low wages?

Tax Credits are probably not counted under "benefits"? Still, at least people are working.

[Austin Allegro]

'out of work benefits' does this restriction apply to those that come and claim self employment and benefits associated with low wages?

This has been a Big Issue for some time...

[Mr. Miyagi]

http://www.itv.com/news/update/2013-12-18/nigel-farage-eu-benefits-plan-smoke-and-mirrors-spin/

If this is the case then who pays the benefits, the host country of the former country and at what level are they paid?

[Wurzel Of Highbridge]

So in theory I can't claim here in Ireland and if I move back to the UK I can't claim either..

Fricking geniuses!

What tossers make this crap up? It's the banking subsidies they should be cutting first!

Oh, look over there 10 immigrants are taking 0.000001% of the yearly budget. Don't look over here where we are siphoning off billions to our shell companies and banker chums.

[swissy_fit]

So in theory I can't claim here in Ireland and if I move back to the UK I can't claim either..

Fricking geniuses!

What tossers make this crap up? It's the banking subsidies they should be cutting first!

Oh, look over there 10 immigrants are taking 0.000001% of the yearly budget. Don't look over here where we are siphoning off billions to our shell companies and banker chums.

I thought it was contributions-based in Ireland like most of Europe?

[Wurzel Of Highbridge]

I thought it was contributions-based in Ireland like most of Europe?

Been working 18 months, just short of the 24.

I must be one of those scroungers that are not "hard working families"..

[SarahBell]

This has been a Big Issue for some time...

+1

I think that particular elephant in the street needs dealing with.

Edited December 18, 2013 by SarahBell

[darwin]

This has been a Big Issue for some time...

I see what you did there

[workingpoor]

So in theory I can't claim here in Ireland and if I move back to the UK I can't claim either

If you are a british citizen then i expect you can claim upon landing

otherwise there would be alot of expat pensioners losing out and that wouldnt do, they vote dont ya know!

Edited December 18, 2013 by Bringingitdown

[awaytogo]

This has been a Big Issue for some time...

Yup

There are many loopholes need closing.

[workingpoor]

So that would include pensioners and expats returning home as well then? Blimey

Edited December 18, 2013 by Bringingitdown

[swissy_fit]

Been working 18 months, just short of the 24.

I must be one of those scroungers that are not "hard working families"..

It's very tough on you in this case, but overall Ireland have got this right and the UK haven't. I'd say 2 years is pretty harsh though.

1 year is enough IMO, easily enough to deter "benefits migrants".

Ireland pay quite high unemployment benefits, don't they? I seem to remember reading 80% of salary for two years, maybe that's why they make the qualification time so harsh.

[petetong]

Most EU countries stipulate that you have to paid tax/NI for a preceding number of years to qualify for any benefit. The UK in it's wisdom used to do that a lot more but has moved primarily to means testing instead in the last 20 years, as the Tories didn't like paying people such as miners high benefits and many of Labours core voters have never paid enough NI contributions to qualify, hence make it means tested instead. Miners on Invalidity Benefit were getting nearly £200 a week as the additional component part of it based on NI contributions was often up to £90 a week in the 80's. If we had kept using NI contributions as the basis of qualifying for benefits then we wouldn't have this issue.

[plummet expert]

Surprising how UKIP are totally controlling the narrative now? Should be longer, 12 months maybe? People shouldn`t come here unless they have a job and/or savings to support themselves for at least 6 months IMO. Will this have any knock on for BTL I wonder

They may not be able to do this under EU law. Even if they can, UKIP are the pressure for it to happen atall. The Govt answer IS NOT the answer - we need to stop people just arriving and trying to find housing, using the NHS, sending their children to our schools, claiming child benefit/ even sending it back to Bulgaria if they come alone, and having to rent the precious few homes around.

If you come from a non EU country the rule is now 5 yrs until you get permanent leave to remain - then you can apply for benefits - you must pass the stringent entry requirements and have somewhere to live or be supported or have a sponsor and or job etc.

We have no room for any more citizens. We should behave like the USA, Canada, Australia and almost anywhere else. Unfortunately the EU wants to become one country and Harmonise you all. Do you want that? The cost of being in the EU is staggering - it does NOT bring us more jobs - we only hear 'fear' reasons for remaining in the EU - there's nothing positive about it. It should be a customs agreement/ trade agreement and nothing else.

[okaycuckoo]

http://www.itv.com/n...d-mirrors-spin/

If this is the case then who pays the benefits, the host country of the former country and at what level are they paid?

Precisely. Benefits are not paid by the EU but by the individual state.

For example, only the jurisdiction of bank domicile can choose to stump up for bank bail outs, leaving its domestic taxpayer with the bill. That's why the UK sued Iceland and lost.

Oops. That's not what he really meant. Sorry, Nigel "Banks not People" Farage.

[okaycuckoo]

We should behave like the USA, Canada, Australia and almost anywhere else.

Japan especially. Great place to live, unless you're not a dickhead.

[Wurzel Of Highbridge]

They may not be able to do this under EU law. Even if they can, UKIP are the pressure for it to happen atall. The Govt answer IS NOT the answer - we need to stop people just arriving and trying to find housing, using the NHS, sending their children to our schools, claiming child benefit/ even sending it back to Bulgaria if they come alone, and having to rent the precious few homes around.

If you come from a non EU country the rule is now 5 yrs until you get permanent leave to remain - then you can apply for benefits - you must pass the stringent entry requirements and have somewhere to live or be supported or have a sponsor and or job etc.

We have no room for any more citizens. We should behave like the USA, Canada, Australia and almost anywhere else. Unfortunately the EU wants to become one country and Harmonise you all. Do you want that? The cost of being in the EU is staggering - it does NOT bring us more jobs - we only hear 'fear' reasons for remaining in the EU - there's nothing positive about it. It should be a customs agreement/ trade agreement and nothing else.

Perhaps we could swap out the White Ghetto areas for 'hard working' Bulgarians

[Solitaire]

If you are a british citizen then i expect you can claim upon landing

otherwise there would be alot of expat pensioners losing out and that wouldnt do, they vote dont ya know!

Returning expats have to pass the habitual residence test.

http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/england/benefits_e/benefits_coming_from_abroad_and_claiming_benefits_hrt/benefits_the_habitual_residence_test_introduction/what_is_the_habitual_residence_test.htm

[bulboy]

This whole issue about bulgaria and romania is so politically driven.

Knowing Bulgarians (Roma excluded) if they come they are coming to work. It will be young, and healthy people so pressure on NHS will be minimal. Not to mention you get better health care back in bulgaria by getting a proper specialist to look at you, rather than a gp (paracetamol for a week is cure of all aches). Instead of waiting to be seen by dentist in six months one would go back for holiday and get sorted for fraction of the cost.

And most bulgarians are too proud to claim benefits. It does not look good with the family and neighbours. Rather they want to earn big bucks (relative to income there) to buy a flashy iphone, a BMW or mercedes to show wealth.

A lot of the young bulgarians are either college or university graduates and usually work hard.

The other aspect which is a national characteristic is that bulgarians do not get very well together. Its very like keeping up with Joneses, And a bit suspicious of each other.

Quite opposite as to the Poles who stick together and gather in clusters.

Now, bulgarians like freebies. And if it was not for the huge media advertisement not many would know about the benefits in UK. At the same time the possibility of earning good wage is more tempting as this gives opportunity for much better life. And life in bulgaria was not great in the past 20 years.

And as we talk about benefits. How much you would be getting should you be able to claim. Will this sustain a lifestyle or you will just get by? This is not aspiring prospect. Just the other day I did some calcs and my expenses for a month are inching towards 1700 a month all in (mortgage, car, fuel, services, food, school, entertainment). I doubt anyone in their right mind would like to come and live off benefits.

Going back to a small proportion of the bulgarian and romanian population. The Roma. This is where a certain amount of doubt as to the purpose and lifestyle may come to light. The history in bulgaria shows that most of them live on social security without job (or lowest paid jobs), their children drop off early from school, forced marriage at early age as low as 11, nomadic lifestyle, unable to integrate in the host country of residence, high proportion of crime, mainly theft and pickpocketing. Greatly persecuted in each country of residence, especially the former eastern block.

references for your read and making your own assumptions: "Wiki

and look very careful a the map. My view is that from next year the circles will start to equalize around europe. map

Please, note the last paragraph in the wiki about a democratic country, who was a fierce defender of the Roma in bulgaria, with many recomendations issued to the bulgarian government to integrate this part of the population in the past. To finish off, there are decent roma who want to work, earn, study. But just too few and not enough.

There was that table of number of immigrants form various countries since 1950s.

I think UK has a much bigger problem with migration form the common wealth than A2 but time will show

[gf3]

So in theory I can't claim here in Ireland and if I move back to the UK I can't claim either..

Fricking geniuses!

What tossers make this crap up? It's the banking subsidies they should be cutting first!

Oh, look over there 10 immigrants are taking 0.000001% of the yearly budget. Don't look over here where we are siphoning off billions to our shell companies and banker chums.

Don't worry you are in good company. I have paid tax and national insurance for 34 years and on losing my job can claim F**K all.

My £500 pension a month stops me getting one lot of benefits and having having over £16,000 in savings stops me getting any of the others. Compare that to the benefits someone gets who has paid nothing in tax

[davidg]

So that would include pensioners and expats returning home as well then? Blimey

it obviously won't include pensioners as they are already drawing a UK pensioner, it will include ex-pat benefit scroungers but they may claim benefits for up to 3 months in their home country (within the EU) if they made sufficient contributions.

The change is probably legal but the UK should move to a rechargable contributions based system. That said, even France, which is contributions based, will pay you a means tested social security minimum (RSA) worth around 600 euros / month. A lot of Roma are here for that along with social housing.

[Saver]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-25421086

New rules on how long EU jobseekers will have to wait to claim benefits are to be brought in early, No 10 has said.

Surprising what they can rush through when they want to.

There is something that has been bugging since I moved overseas - I was quite shocked to meet several unemployed EU members who were getting something like 2/3 or 75% of their previous salary as their benefits. As far as I can work out in the UK I would get nothing because I have more than 6k savings, but even if I did not I would still not get anywhere near what I currently earn, but some very minimal sum. So if this is all true - why would anyone want to come here for our "generous' benefits, when they can get more in France/Germany/Denmark etc? As far as I can see if I ever lose my job the best strategy would be to position myself to claim benefits elsewhere in the EU.