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Expect all these locations to be worth more in spring 2015 than they are now...

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My advice is close to wood green tube ( high street regeneration coming, ally pally regeneration coming, green lanes regeneration already happening, brilliant for transport, cinema's, shopping and close to Muswell hill, crouch end etc.

Notice the bias towards north London too ...

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So if you buy a property close to the district line, the Metropolitan line or the Epping and West Ruislip branches of the central line you are wasting your time?

I would have thought Barking and Dagenham is a better bet than many of these areas. It might be a dump but its the only place most ordinary first time buyers on ordinary salaries can still afford to buy a house in.

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Isn't the night tube irrelevant for housebuyers with children because they are unlikely to be out partying after the last tube anyway?

And who wants to be neighbours with the kind of people who will be returning home in the middle of the night on the 24 hour tube. You are asleep, its 4am, they all arrive home and make an absolute racket cos they are drunk. Surely best to move where there is no 24 hour tube! :lol:

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I always find it amusing how people sometimes suggest that London is a great party town and that people are partying 24 hours.

Sure, compared to sleepy Paris, Brussels and Amsterdam nearby, London has a livelier nightlife but when you look at places like Berlin or Barcelona where you can genuinely go out through the night, you discover a whole different way of seeing citylife. When you've actually lived in that kind of city and experienced the nightlife, London can be a bit of a disappointment when you come back.

Considering the number of people who scramble for the last tube train home, it's pretty evident that the tube is the first choice for a large number of people if they have that choice. Of course the proximity to a tube station that is open throughout the night is going to be an incredible incentive for a large number of people. Fair enough, for the rich families of South Kensington or Fulham, this is not going to make any difference but any area that has any proportion of people under 40 with "normal" salaries i.e. most of London, this will make a difference.

Also it would be a gross assumption to think that the only people interested in nightlife are hardcore clubbers. In Berlin you can find bars and cafés open at 5am with people in their 50s and 60s simply enjoying a drink with a few friends.

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I always find it amusing how people sometimes suggest that London is a great party town and that people are partying 24 hours.

Sure, compared to sleepy Paris, Brussels and Amsterdam nearby, London has a livelier nightlife but when you look at places like Berlin or Barcelona where you can genuinely go out through the night, you discover a whole different way of seeing citylife. When you've actually lived in that kind of city and experienced the nightlife, London can be a bit of a disappointment when you come back.

Considering the number of people who scramble for the last tube train home, it's pretty evident that the tube is the first choice for a large number of people if they have that choice. Of course the proximity to a tube station that is open throughout the night is going to be an incredible incentive for a large number of people. Fair enough, for the rich families of South Kensington or Fulham, this is not going to make any difference but any area that has any proportion of people under 40 with "normal" salaries i.e. most of London, this will make a difference.

Also it would be a gross assumption to think that the only people interested in nightlife are hardcore clubbers. In Berlin you can find bars and cafés open at 5am with people in their 50s and 60s simply enjoying a drink with a few friends.

I agree. I get the overground train home from central London. The last one is at just gone 1am, and I think a lot of people would be surprised about how much of London's 'nightlife' has closed two hours before that time.

There are still places open which are fine if you fancy clubbing or going to the type of bar that you have to pay £15 to get in before you even start thinking about the bar prices.

I think London is much worse than Paris or Brussels in that regard. If you want to get a drink after a late show over there, you can do that and then get the Metro back to another part of the city.

Like the rest of the UK, London concentrates too much on the type of person who wants to go out to a nightclub until 4am at the expense of everyone else. I think that the initial thought for most people when finding out the tube is going to run all night should be 'Why??'

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I agree. I get the overground train home from central London. The last one is at just gone 1am, and I think a lot of people would be surprised about how much of London's 'nightlife' has closed two hours before that time.

There are still places open which are fine if you fancy clubbing or going to the type of bar that you have to pay £15 to get in before you even start thinking about the bar prices.

I think London is much worse than Paris or Brussels in that regard. If you want to get a drink after a late show over there, you can do that and then get the Metro back to another part of the city.

Like the rest of the UK, London concentrates too much on the type of person who wants to go out to a nightclub until 4am at the expense of everyone else. I think that the initial thought for most people when finding out the tube is going to run all night should be 'Why??'

Maybe because of where I hang out but I've found that after 2pm, there are still bars and clubs open but they're all dodgy with questionnable licences, usually full of drunk guys who are happy to get crammed into a place with no atmosphere just to get a few more drinks in. There are clubs but indeed, if you're not a hardcore clubber, you won't go for those places.

You're right about Paris offering a lot more options for a late night drink or even meal without having to go full-on clubbing but my comment about Paris/Amsterdam/Brussels was more around the description of London as a "party town".

I don't think we need to worry about who we're "concentrating" on. The fact that most of the people who are out after 2pm are young drunk kids is more a symptom than any sign of prioritisation. Because London becomes less appealing for a lot of people after midnight, you have to be pretty motivated to stay out: it's not everyone's cup of tea to be on a night bus for one hour with drunk kids and old geezers talking to themselves simply so you can socialise with friends around a few drinks (maybe not even alcoholic) at a time other than middle-class social norms dictate.

I shuddered at comments about how we were going to adopt a more "continental attitude" when new drinking laws were introduced but in this case, I would definitely say that this has the potential of changing the nightlife culture of London and generally, London culture.

I think any question such as "why have night tube trains when the only people going out late at night are young people out on the lash?" is missing the point. It's because there is no night tube service that the only people going out late are young-ish kids.

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I think any question such as "why have night tube trains when the only people going out late at night are young people out on the lash?" is missing the point. It's because there is no night tube service that the only people going out late are young-ish kids.

Exactly. In my teens/20's/30's I didn't mind so much sitting at Waterloo Station waiting for the "milk train" at 5am, or getting the nightbus, We'd walk, once from from North London to South. When you're young you don't care so much. Now when I do my quarterly large London club nights, and come out at 6am to the mercy of cabs and wish for a 24 hour tube service. Everytime I go out in London it's ever so slightly ruined by timing it around getting home v's getting stung for cabs. Precisly why mainly younger people are out later. In summary I'd buy near a 24 hour tube line. If I could afford it.

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Exactly. In my teens/20's/30's I didn't mind so much sitting at Waterloo Station waiting for the "milk train" at 5am, or getting the nightbus, We'd walk, once from from North London to South. When you're young you don't care so much. Now when I do my quarterly large London club nights, and come out at 6am to the mercy of cabs and wish for a 24 hour tube service. Everytime I go out in London it's ever so slightly ruined by timing it around getting home v's getting stung for cabs. Precisly why mainly younger people are out later. In summary I'd buy near a 24 hour tube line. If I could afford it.

The cab situation is a pain, but I don't think I'd spend more to live near a tube line unless I was going out late every week.

I live in the depths of zone 6 and if I want to stay out after 1am, my fast, sub-20 minute tube journey turns into a cab journey that takes twice as long and stings at £60+.

To move to a similarly nice area that is one on of these tube lines would probably cost me a lot more than where I currently live, say £2,000 per month compared to £1,500. I reckon I never pay more than £500 per year on those late night cabs, so I am still over £5k a year better off staying where I am.

There are other factors, of course. The areas on these lines would be zone 3 rather than 6 so would save me a few hundred a year on my season ticket. Also, being right on the tube line would negate the hell of actually having to get a cab, but this is offset by the fact a cab is usually a nicer journey once you get on it. I imagine that these late tubes will have the zoo-like atmosphere of the nightbuses!

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I remember this thread as if it were December 2014 rather than December 2013!

The advice in the first post was: "Expect all these locations to be worth more in spring 2015 than they are now...". I am not sure if any of use realized just how much prices would be up in all London areas in the intervening 14 months!

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No plans at the moment. East ldn line is the proposed.

Thanks. Most of the coverage I have seen so far has been pretty vague, with just a generic reference to "the Overground". I suppose there's still a bit to be done on getting the oribital routes up to scratch, never mind the ones they haven't even taken over yet.

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