Jump to content
House Price Crash Forum
Frank Hovis

Campaign For A Three Day Week

Recommended Posts

Personally I would like to see this legislated in. Employers will hate it but I would have loved to have spent my career on 3 or 4 day weeks, and would have been perfectly happy on 3/5ths or 4/5ths of the money. As it is I worked long hours for more money than I needed and have repeatedly left jobs for a break because the 5 (and often 6) day week left me no time or energy for anything else so I had to pursue my hobbies in the breaks. And had this been in place there are several of my past jobs that I would still be doing now.

I know several unemployed professionals who are becoming unemployable owing to the time that they have been off work but who would be employed now if this was in. No additional cost to the employer bar a bit of admin and useful people economically active again.

Legislation is the only way that this would happen.

Advantages:

More employment

Less benefits paid out

Happier workforce

Happier population

Lower incomes -> lower house prices -> lower housing costs -> lower incomes not a problem

Disadvantages:

Work handover

Key people not always there

Less money to buy iPads, shop in Waitrose, download iTunes etc.

Exemption for genuinely self-employed as that's their choice.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Many people in Norway only work 4 day weeks as they prefer the time off to the extra cash. I think it's also quite common in the Netherlands, but only for women.

With 21st century technology there is really no need for every adult to do 40+ hours a week 47 weeks a year for 45-50 years in order to produce enough material wealth for a good life. It's just another example of the madness of crowds that trying to do this much work is seen as normal behaviour.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I've been working a 3 day working week since the age of 27, in my mid-30's now and can't see how I'd ever go back to full time work.

Once you've tasted the 4 day weekend you never want to go back.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Personally I would like to see this legislated in. Employers will hate it but I would have loved to have spent my career on 3 or 4 day weeks, and would have been perfectly happy on 3/5ths or 4/5ths of the money. As it is I worked long hours for more money than I needed and have repeatedly left jobs for a break because the 5 (and often 6) day week left me no time or energy for anything else so I had to pursue my hobbies in the breaks. And had this been in place there are several of my past jobs that I would still be doing now.

I know several unemployed professionals who are becoming unemployable owing to the time that they have been off work but who would be employed now if this was in. No additional cost to the employer bar a bit of admin and useful people economically active again.

Legislation is the only way that this would happen.

Advantages:

More employment

Less benefits paid out

Happier workforce

Happier population

Lower incomes -> lower house prices -> lower housing costs -> lower incomes not a problem

Disadvantages:

Work handover

Key people not always there

Less money to buy iPads, shop in Waitrose, download iTunes etc.

Exemption for genuinely self-employed as that's their choice.

....all for that....not for everyone, but the greater the choices people have to live a life that suits/fits them has to be best for everyone concerned...happy workers only means greater overall productivity....work life balance. :)

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Legislate for people to work less hours and so pay less tax? It's the exact opposite of what the governbankment want. They want higher living costs, particularly housing, so it needs two people to work to survive. Then the goverbankment get more tax and people have more debt to service for banks.

All it would take is for joint income mortgages to be banned and lending criteria reverted back to the 1990's, then people could drop hours because houses would be affordable again. However what the governbankment are going to do is "help" people with childcare costs i.e. divert our taxes to bankers by encouraging more women to work to service mortgage debt.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Most offices Ive seen have several people already working a 2 or 3 day week. They also sit there on their days off as well. I can only assume they can't think of anything else to do.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Most offices Ive seen have several people already working a 2 or 3 day week. They also sit there on their days off as well. I can only assume they can't think of anything else to do.

....not all places but I am sure there are a few where people are at work working for a full week but could easily fit what they actually do that is worth doing in that week into three days if organised right, working time available used correctly and productively.... ;)

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Great idea! They have something approaching this in France (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/35-hour_workweek), but there's a very predictable split beween those who think it's a good idea and those who think it's destroying the country.

It's worth pointing out that the French version started out with good intentions (working less so that the unemployed could get a bite), but fell apart when the unions (not sure if the union bosses, or the membership) realised that they'd have to accept a pay cut.

The eventual deal was to drop to a 35-hour week, but keep the same pay. Predictably, the employers just pushed their existing staff to work harder in those 35 hours, the unemployed stayed unemployed, and the whole thing was a waste of time.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I did the same as you Frank and left jobs to get some time off! I did ask in one job if I could go from a 5 day to a 4 day week and was refused outright (in 2000) even though the job I was doing was feasible for 4 days per week. I was a single parent and really resented having to work in jobs just to get by and if the work was slack it annoyed me when I knew there were things to be done at home. As soon as I could I downsized my house so I could stop work and live off the proceeds. It was the best thing I ever did and my health has improved since. I've never understood why having a job is supposed to be better for you (apart from the income) than being unemployed. I was miserable while I was working. Not everyone loves their job and for some it's simply a question of survival only.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I did the same as you Frank and left jobs to get some time off! I did ask in one job if I could go from a 5 day to a 4 day week and was refused outright (in 2000) even though the job I was doing was feasible for 4 days per week. I was a single parent and really resented having to work in jobs just to get by and if the work was slack it annoyed me when I knew there were things to be done at home. As soon as I could I downsized my house so I could stop work and live off the proceeds. It was the best thing I ever did and my health has improved since. I've never understood why having a job is supposed to be better for you (apart from the income) than being unemployed. I was miserable while I was working. Not everyone loves their job and for some it's simply a question of survival only.

Well done you janch.

I like my job but, as with you, would like less of it so inevitably it has a limited timescale. If you have hobbies, aims and interests then you certainly don't need a job, but I've worked with a lot of people for whom IMO retirement would be the absolute worst thing because they don't have enough of these. They're the people who can't really cope with retirement, a relative is in this position. He has sufficient money to retire and has done so but can't cope with it so keeps getting other jobs, and then retiring again thinking it will be ok this time but it never is.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I've been working a 3 day working week since the age of 27, in my mid-30's now and can't see how I'd ever go back to full time work.

Once you've tasted the 4 day weekend you never want to go back.

+1

I went part-time for a couple of years. Wonderful. Buggers made me go back full time though. Only do 8.5 day fortnight though.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

If we're all supposed to be working into our 70's now this could be quite a popular idea.

It would be more effective in a socialist world though.

Impossible with the high cost of housing and living generally in the UK.

I know many couples who working full-time are still getting themselves into debt.

It is such a shame as well because with the advances we have made in technology and industry you are right that a 3 day week should be the norm.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Of course, had the productivity gains been translated into benefits for ordinary people and a lid kept on living costs and especially housing, this would have been the future we were once promise in futuristic TV programmes. Obviously, work done more efficiently means less work and more free time - time to persue interests, travel or be with people you care about.

Where did it all go wrong?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Of course, had the productivity gains been translated into benefits for ordinary people and a lid kept on living costs and especially housing, this would have been the future we were once promise in futuristic TV programmes. Obviously, work done more efficiently means less work and more free time - time to persue interests, travel or be with people you care about.

Where did it all go wrong?

1979.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Personally I would like to see this legislated in. Employers will hate it but I would have loved to have spent my career on 3 or 4 day weeks, and would have been perfectly happy on 3/5ths or 4/5ths of the money. As it is I worked long hours for more money than I needed and have repeatedly left jobs for a break because the 5 (and often 6) day week left me no time or energy for anything else so I had to pursue my hobbies in the breaks. And had this been in place there are several of my past jobs that I would still be doing now.

I know several unemployed professionals who are becoming unemployable owing to the time that they have been off work but who would be employed now if this was in. No additional cost to the employer bar a bit of admin and useful people economically active again.

Legislation is the only way that this would happen.

Advantages:

More employment

Less benefits paid out

Happier workforce

Happier population

Lower incomes -> lower house prices -> lower housing costs -> lower incomes not a problem

Disadvantages:

Work handover

Key people not always there

Less money to buy iPads, shop in Waitrose, download iTunes etc.

Exemption for genuinely self-employed as that's their choice.

If you have a skill set the company needs then they will flex, I see it in all my clients. It will never lead to lower house prices because there are plenty of people who enjoy working who will exploit the gap - frankly I do and have plenty of hobbies

It's an old chestnut but do something you enjoy and combine your hobbies if you can. I ride my motorbike to clients when I can and take clients out to play golf for example then you wouldn't worry how long you worked for possibly

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

1979.

Ah, the old "It's all Fatcha's fault!" card; I take it that countries that followed a different path - e.g. France, which had a socialist government during most of the time that Thatcher was in power - are now lands of milk and honey and 3-day weeks?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Impossible with the high cost of housing and living generally in the UK.

I know many couples who working full-time are still getting themselves into debt.

It is such a shame as well because with the advances we have made in technology and industry you are right that a 3 day week should be the norm.

I suppose it depends where you live and what your expenses are.

I did it by moving abroad; I could have done it by staying in the UK and living with relatives, however.

There's one other thing worth remembering. If you work part time, in some jobs it increases your workload because you get lots of work building up on the days you don't work but other people do. It's ok if you just work in a pub or a shop or something, but if you run any kind of administrative business you may find stress levels can go up rather than down, because work gets more intensified.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

If you have a skill set the company needs then they will flex, I see it in all my clients.

Yes, they will and they do in my company for everyone. If they didn't, then niche skilled staff would defect to the competition. Ok, it's not 4 days every week, but I work 5 days one week (with 1 day at home) and 4 days the other week. A 9 day fortnight. No reduction in pay and I'm hugely grateful to have a contract on those terms. It's got to the point where I'd hate to be working 5 days in the office permanently. This is compounded by the pressures and stress in corporate land having definately increased. Having what is essentially a bank holiday weekend every fortnight helps enormously.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Impossible with the high cost of housing and living generally in the UK.

I know many couples who working full-time are still getting themselves into debt.

It is such a shame as well because with the advances we have made in technology and industry you are right that a 3 day week should be the norm.

Apart from the rich wanting to keep us in check, do emerging countries have an influence? ie us having to compete more and more with them.

Seems daft more and more working 5,6,7 days a week, and overtime, and a quarter/third or so of adults not working at all.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

  • The Prime Minister stated that there were three Brexit options available to the UK:   224 members have voted

    1. 1. Which of the Prime Minister's options would you choose?


      • Leave with the negotiated deal
      • Remain
      • Leave with no deal

    Please sign in or register to vote in this poll. View topic


×

Important Information

We have placed cookies on your device to help make this website better. You can adjust your cookie settings, otherwise we'll assume you're okay to continue.