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Zimbabwe’S Forced Land Redistribution Led To Huge Controversy - But It Has Transformed The Lives Of Thousands Of Small Farmers

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Time for a reassessment? (a fairly balanced piece IMHO).

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/thank-you-mr-mugabe-zimbabwes-forced-land-redistribution-led-to-huge-controversy--but-it-has-transformed-the-lives-of-thousands-of-small-farmers-8923229.html

While many maintain that Mugabe loyalists remain the main beneficiaries of the bloody land reform (the Mugabe family is now said to own more than 30 farms), some have suggested that it was not all bad. For example, though it says the methods used were inexcusable, a book entitled Zimbabwe Takes Back its Land by Professor Ian Scoones of Sussex University concluded: “In the biggest land reform in Africa, 6,000 white farmers have been replaced by 245,000 Zimbabwean farmers. These are primarily ordinary poor people who have become more productive farmers.”

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Ive said it many times, but how is Zim land distribution any different than here?

They say its 'shocking' that in Zim 3% of the population owned 80% of the land.

Im pretty sure thats a very similar ratio to here.

The Norman descended families who own most of Britain today are just lucky they look and have the same colour skin as the majority and it thus isnt so blatant. First thing any decent government would do is change the law and string up the entire royal family.

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Time for a reassessment? (a fairly balanced piece IMHO).

http://www.independe...rs-8923229.html

'About 18 white farmers were killed in violent takeovers of their land while almost all of the country’s 620,000 permanent and seasonal farm-workers were driven away from their homes, John Worsley-Worswick, the head of Justice for Agriculture, a Harare-based lobby group, said. Together with dependants, those workers accounted for two million people, he said.

Most of the rest of Zimbabwe’s agricultural industry remains in crisis, however. The rose and horticulture export business, formerly worth $87m a year, has largely disappeared. Once a corn exporter, Zimbabwe has imported the grain in recent years.'

Trading Economics Zim GDP $10.8 bn

http://in.finance.yahoo.com/photos/8-of-the-richest-dictators-in-history-slideshow/robert-mugabe-photo-1348740999.html' rel="external nofollow">

Yahoo Finance List of 8 richest dictators 27/9/12

'Zimbabwean President Robert Mugabe has turned once-rich Zimbabwe into his personal playground, killing most of his rivals and looting Zimbabwe for good measure. His net worth stands at $5 to $10 billion thanks to his country's diamond deposits'.

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Ive said it many times, but how is Zim land distribution any different than here?

They say its 'shocking' that in Zim 3% of the population owned 80% of the land.

Im pretty sure thats a very similar ratio to here.

The Norman descended families who own most of Britain today are just lucky they look and have the same colour skin as the majority and it thus isnt so blatant. First thing any decent government would do is change the law and string up the entire royal family.

Spot on.

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'About 18 white farmers were killed in violent takeovers of their land while almost all of the country’s 620,000 permanent and seasonal farm-workers were driven away from their homes, John Worsley-Worswick, the head of Justice for Agriculture, a Harare-based lobby group, said. Together with dependants, those workers accounted for two million people, he said.

Most of the rest of Zimbabwe’s agricultural industry remains in crisis, however. The rose and horticulture export business, formerly worth $87m a year, has largely disappeared. Once a corn exporter, Zimbabwe has imported the grain in recent years.'

Trading Economics Zim GDP $10.8 bn

http://in.finance.yahoo.com/photos/8-of-the-richest-dictators-in-history-slideshow/robert-mugabe-photo-1348740999.html' rel="external nofollow">

Yahoo Finance List of 8 richest dictators 27/9/12

'Zimbabwean President Robert Mugabe has turned once-rich Zimbabwe into his personal playground, killing most of his rivals and looting Zimbabwe for good measure. His net worth stands at $5 to $10 billion thanks to his country's diamond deposits'.

well he turned the bread basket of africa into a desert.

...shouldn't come as much of a surprise really.

if you look at his educational background, it is not that dissimilar to the likes of barroso, etc and a lot of the "euro-apparatchiks"

.....if they all get indoctrinated the same way..into so called positions of leadership,in the same schools...etc...then they basically all have the same mantra as to how society should be run(ie me priest,you serf...shut up and do as you're told)

funnilly enough as farage pointed out.

it really is no wonder the world is up sh1t creek..

their weakness is their blind obeiscance to the mantra.....they will rigidly stick to it even when it has been shown to be a crock of sh1t.

their superiors DEMAND unquestioning obedience.....so they haven't got the capacity to think for themselves....if such a concept were allowed the light of day their masters would throw them out of the gang.

...boo hoo, been there already...not nice being ridiculed as heretics but frankly this is no time to get all precious.

grow a pair.

what barroso etc fail to comprehend is that their little power trip will be brought to an abrupt halt by the divine master temporal and the emperor.....they have no need of political lackeys as they will be making all the decisions.

...and no dissent will be tolerated.

if you've played with it now for yor 30 pieces of silver and a nice cushy job in parliament...bad news....parliament has been dissolved.

you take orders directly from now on sonny!

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'About 18 white farmers were killed in violent takeovers of their land

Compared to the tens of thousands we killed in order to force our own land reforms on zimbabwe in the 19th century.

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Ive said it many times, but how is Zim land distribution any different than here?

They say its 'shocking' that in Zim 3% of the population owned 80% of the land.

Im pretty sure thats a very similar ratio to here.

The Norman descended families who own most of Britain today are just lucky they look and have the same colour skin as the majority and it thus isnt so blatant. First thing any decent government would do is change the law and string up the entire royal family.

I'd vote for that!

Not really. I wouldn't string them up I'd strip them of all their lands and wealth, leaving the with only the same as the average citizen. That's a fate far worse than death for them.

I wouldn't stop at just the royal family either. The other few thousand large landowners would get the same treatment.

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Compared to the tens of thousands we killed in order to force our own land reforms on zimbabwe in the 19th century.

I thought the more pertinent point was the 2 million displaced from their homes by the billionaire Mugabe but each to their own.

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Having known a Zimbabwean who was given 30 minutes to leave the farm along with his family 'or else' by a mob in the early hours, I'm not sure I can read this objectively so apologies.

What a mess.

The thing the piece doesn't really talk about is the fact that most of the redistribution to 'veterans' ended up becoming small holdings for subsistence farming.Large scale farming feeds big cities.It's not rocket science.

The people who should have got the farms ie the people who'd been working them for years,got next to nothing.

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The thing the piece doesn't really talk about is the fact that most of the redistribution to 'veterans' ended up becoming small holdings for subsistence farming.Large scale farming feeds big cities.It's not rocket science.

The people who should have got the farms ie the people who'd been working them for years,got next to nothing.

Yes. The farm workers were punished. I wonder how many of them got a sticky end?

There's only so much tobacco a person can eat.

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I thought the more pertinent point was the 2 million displaced from their homes by the billionaire Mugabe but each to their own.

No, it's not more pertinent at all. It's exactly the same.

Two wrongs don't make a right.

No, and that's not what I was suggesting.

I object to the hypocrisy but, more than that, I object to the idea that our own political and economic system is benign, and somehow unlike the crazy ideas of African dictators.

The injustices we see now - in Britain itself as well as in former colonies - are built on massacres and ethnic cleansing. We just choose to ignore that and pretend they are somehow natural.

Mugabe is simply copying our ancestors.

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Yes. The farm workers were punished. I wonder how many of them got a sticky end?

There's only so much tobacco a person can eat.

A lot more than 18 of them got killed and it got a lot less press.

At the end of the day-and I'm not trying to justify colonialism as some people seem to think criticsizing Mugabe is the same thing-they took a country that could feed itself and export food,into one where lots of people starve and killed a lot of people in the process.Much as Western Liberals struggle to understand this,you can't eat a vote.

Land reform in Zim has been an absolute disaster for farm workers (anyone actually) who weren't on the inside of Zanu PF.

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Back in 1974 when I was at agricultural college the received wisdom was, "any farm under 100 acres is a social problem not a farm".

Given a combined harvester sets you back £250k and runs for about a fortnight a year etc.. Splitting the farms up in Zimbabwe simply reduces those doing the farming to subsistence levels. Read The Rational Optimist by Matt Ridley if you can't see why this is a disaster that leads back to the stone-age.

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I was in Zimbabwe last year.... The farms just outside of Harare aren't being farmed. I saw one farm with some cows, and tea plantation near mutare. The only other agriculture was in peoples back gardens both in the city and the 'rural' areas. I also saw maize growing on the side of the road inside Harare itself (being sold by people who were leaving on the streets). I saw wealth and poverty, there are alot of very wealthy people in zim, the country was booming (and expensive).

Nandos - 20 USD per person http://www.nandos.co.zw/

Pizaa - 16 USD per person http://www.innscorin...s-pizza-inn.php

restaurant in Harare 60 USD per person for a sit down meal (See Harare restaurant guide http://www.eatout.co.zw/ )

hotel/B&B 250 USD for two nights http://www.whitehorseinn.co.zw/

Weekly Shop for two people in one of the super markets 120 USD - http://www.spar.co.zw/

Bargain Promotion?

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Small 1 bedroom Town House in Harare 200,000 USD, flat 120,000. The cheapest mortgage you will find will be 20%

http://www.pamgoldin...pricedescending

But you can always shop in the US$100 million Mall of Zimbabwe when it opens (just opposite the existing Sam Leavys Shopping Centre) http://www.herald.co...zimbabwe-space/

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some pics from our trip to zim (In the middle of the dry season), the green hills are from the bvumba mountains.

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