Labour Pledge To Build "new Towns"

[Bear Goggles]

Meanwhile CAMPAIGN: HANDS OFF OUR LAND

The Telegraph is campaigning against radical Government reforms to planning laws which opponents say pose the greatest threat to the countryside since the Second World War.

Middle England prepares for planning war over new developments

Since the National Planning Policy Framework (NPPF) was first published last March, the number of homes granted approval in England has risen by a quarter on the previous year, figures show.

Experts warned communities that the number would rise even more once the NPPF comes into force tomorrow.

Figures obtained by The Telegraph show that since the changes were published, the number of homes being granted planning permission has jumped by a quarter in England on the previous year, but fallen in Scotland and Wales, where the changes do not apply.

So Labour sat on their hands for 13 years whilst the cost of housing rocketed, now the Conservatives have managed to force through reforms wide ranging enough to p*** off the Telegraph plus the usual collection of CPRE NIMBY's.

But lets forget all that because Ed Bo11ocks has "promised to look at reviving development corporations".

So what are you saying? That the Tories are a better bet when it comes to building new homes? You may be right - perhaps the new planning laws haven't yet filtered through to new housing starts. Or perhaps the CPRE NIMBY lobby are just doing what they do - campaigning against any change to the planning system, no matter how insignificant.

Oh, and I just love the slogan "Hands of our land".... Pure comedy!

Sorry, who's land is it?

Is it ours - as in "We, the people" - Like some kind of declaration of support for communist redistribution or common ownership? - No probably not.

How about ours - as in "We, your feudal overlords" - We own it, get orf it! - Nah, I don't think the average NIMBY owns half of Berkshire.

What kind of ours is this to your average NIMBY?

Edited November 21, 2013 by Bear Goggles

[winkie]

They don't have any money to build anything....it is either all taken or all promised.

[awaytogo]

From the New Statesman.

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2013/11/balls-challenges-osborne-offer-new-treasury-guarantees-housebuilding

Okay, so Ed Balls is an irritating ars3, Blair and Brown caused this whole mess in the first place, none of the parties actually offer any real solutions to the rise of crony capitalism, socialism for corporations and the rich or the parasitic financial sector etc... and this is just words from politicians again, not actions.

BUT

This is the first time a mainstream political party has offered any kind of interest in addressing the housing crisis in the UK that doesn't involve subsidising the financial sector via tax payer-funded mortgage debt guarantees. It is a glimmer of hope in a completely hopeless political landscape. It also puts a stake in the ground - Housing DOES matter politically, and the boomer NIMBY "concreting over the countryside" charge is weakening.

So here's my (hypothetical) bombshell: Everyone under 40 and priced-out, or who has children should vote Labour at the next election.

*PUTS HANDS OVER EYES... TAKES COVER*

The only reason we have a housing crisis is because there are to many people coming to this island,this island cannot sustain the increase as there are not the jobs to support the increase, As can be seen we are just increasing unemployment.

[goldbug9999]

They don't have any money to build anything....it is either all taken or all promised.

Well if they spent the money ear marked for HS2 on houses that would be a good start.

[The Knimbies who say No]

Labour ought to inform their PPC for the City of Chester constituency, I received a leaflet through the door which stated he wants to cut back on Tory homebuilding targets for the area( given these are supposedly arrived at via an assessment of needs, by definition he is advocating a shortage).

Maybe he just supports new homes if they are somewhere else.

Edited November 22, 2013 by The B.L.T.

[winkie]

The big question is whether it is in their election manifesto?

(I think Labour often promise the world via the media but it never gets put into their book of actual plans.)

And then has someone stats on what % of things in their manifesto actually manifest themselves into reality?

[Billy soy]

From the New Statesman.

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2013/11/balls-challenges-osborne-offer-new-treasury-guarantees-housebuilding

Okay, so Ed Balls is an irritating ars3, Blair and Brown caused this whole mess in the first place, none of the parties actually offer any real solutions to the rise of crony capitalism, socialism for corporations and the rich or the parasitic financial sector etc... and this is just words from politicians again, not actions.

BUT

This is the first time a mainstream political party has offered any kind of interest in addressing the housing crisis in the UK that doesn't involve subsidising the financial sector via tax payer-funded mortgage debt guarantees. It is a glimmer of hope in a completely hopeless political landscape. It also puts a stake in the ground - Housing DOES matter politically, and the boomer NIMBY "concreting over the countryside" charge is weakening.

So here's my (hypothetical) bombshell: Everyone under 40 and priced-out, or who has children should vote Labour at the next election.

*PUTS HANDS OVER EYES... TAKES COVER*

This is exactly what I expected from a labour government, I also want to see them embark on massive social house building program to offer a cost effective alternative to the privatised btl market.

The nimbys and bananas must be taken on and defeated they've had it too good for too long and it's everybody but them paying the price.

They've got my vote.

[winkie]

Well if they spent the money ear marked for HS2 on houses that would be a good start.

....sure, but I think they are banking on not having to use that provision....figures and toes crossed that HIP inflation and growth will continue indefinitely....happy days.

[billybong]

The chart of UK population is starting to look like population growth is going exponential

http://

www.tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/population

so if they aren't going to do anything to tone the population growth down then they must be thinking that they have to do something to accommodate it. Otherwise they'll have millions just wandering the streets or at best nightmarish levels of overcrowding in accommodation.

1.5 million new houses between 2015 and 20120 is something of course but without action to reduce or reverse population growth it will have little or no effect on house prices as the UK population is predicted to grow by about 5 million by 2020.

So that amount of house building only takes the edge off the problem and does nothing much to solve the fundamental problem of huge house prices.

Edited November 22, 2013 by billybong

[awaytogo]

The chart of UK population is starting to look like population growth is going exponential

http://

www.tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/population

so if they aren't going to do anything to tone the population growth down then they must be thinking that they have to do something to accommodate it. Otherwise they'll have millions just wandering the streets or at best nightmarish levels of overcrowding in accommodation.

1.5 million new houses between 2015 and 20120 is something of course but without action to reduce or reverse population growth it will have little or no effect on house prices as the UK population is predicted to grow by about 5 million by 2020.

So that amount of house building only takes the edge off the problem and does nothing much to solve the fundamental problem of huge house prices.

+1

Good post

[Executive Sadman]

The chart of UK population is starting to look like population growth is going exponential

http://

www.tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/population

so if they aren't going to do anything to tone the population growth down then they must be thinking that they have to do something to accommodate it. Otherwise they'll have millions just wandering the streets or at best nightmarish levels of overcrowding in accommodation.

1.5 million new houses between 2015 and 20120 is something of course but without action to reduce or reverse population growth it will have little or no effect on house prices as the UK population is predicted to grow by about 5 million by 2020.

So that amount of house building only takes the edge off the problem and does nothing much to solve the fundamental problem of huge house prices.

Crazy isnt it...in the 70s and 80s we had at best a stagnant population and the country didnt explode...same in america, strip out the population growth and their GDP performance is no better than Japans...probably why the press never mentions GDP per capita, merely discussing it in aggregate terms.

Of course, this is what they want. The global elite are literally obsessed with population control, always have been, and aside from birth control in the third world, to them the easiest option is to move the third world to the first world and hope they mate with the indigenous population who tend to have below replacement birth rates. And to hell with what that does to the native culture.

[MrPin]

Please help us! "New towns! will look like Eisenhuettenstadt, or Nowe Hute!

They won't look like Bath or York, or even Bristol!

Edited November 23, 2013 by MrPin

[happy_renting]

Well if they spent the money ear marked for HS2 on houses that would be a good start.

They could even build the houses near London, and save everyone a train journey.

[happy_renting]

Please help us! "New towns! will look like Eisenhuettenstadt, or Nowe Hute!

They won't look like Bath or York, or even Bristol!

I, for one, will welcome our NuLabour landlords if they build me an "Acme Metroland Mock Tudor Maisonette Type II" shoebox within walking distance of Tractor Factory no. 8.

[MrPin]

I, for one, will welcome our NuLabour landlords if they build me an "Acme Metroland Mock Tudor Maisonette Type II" shoebox within walking distance of Tractor Factory no. 8.

You are a credit to Comrade Stalin and his five year plan! Have another medal citizen!

[SarahBell]

1.5 million new houses between 2015 and 2020 i........ as the UK population is predicted to grow by about 5 million by 2020.

.

Each house only needs 3.3 bdrooms and that'd cope with the influx.

Of course cos everyone wants a spare bedroom ...

[happy_renting]

Many of the very early new towns were a success. I have never been to Bourneville but in it's day its standards for ordinary working people were apparently incredible.

However, modern day 'planned' towns have either a utilitarian, or alternatively, ersatz folksy feel about them.

Who would want to live in Cumbernauld? Milton Keynes feels soulless and would be unusable without a car. Prince Charles' Poundland has a Stepford Wives feel about it, where everybody has their place and doesn't rock the boat (which is comforting for a landowner who would dread revolution).

Towns show grow organically, evolve and have history. In my country town, I enjoy looking at the old buildings, and ponder their history, how and why they have changed, and so on.

However, few of us have the luxury of living and affording the upkeep of an older building. I wish we had good modern architecture in this country, instead of the revolting faux country homes and shoebox 'cottages' that people, we are told, demand.

[MrPin]

Maybe you'd like to give Prince Charles a call.

I am afraid he would make me live in a kennel!

[richc]

Many of the very early new towns were a success. I have never been to Bourneville but in it's day its standards for ordinary working people were apparently incredible.

However, modern day 'planned' towns have either a utilitarian, or alternatively, ersatz folksy feel about them.

Who would want to live in Cumbernauld? Milton Keynes feels soulless and would be unusable without a car. Prince Charles' Poundland has a Stepford Wives feel about it, where everybody has their place and doesn't rock the boat (which is comforting for a landowner who would dread revolution).

Towns show grow organically, evolve and have history. In my country town, I enjoy looking at the old buildings, and ponder their history, how and why they have changed, and so on.

However, few of us have the luxury of living and affording the upkeep of an older building. I wish we had good modern architecture in this country, instead of the revolting faux country homes and shoebox 'cottages' that people, we are told, demand.

And what exactly is "good modern architecture" these days?

A Sterling prize winner, but you couldn't pay me to live in this pastiche of century-old Bauhaus nonsense (private gardens are banned and all the dogs have been sent off to the gas chamber in the modern architect's utopia).

[happy_renting]

And what exactly is "good modern architecture" these days?

A Sterling prize winner, but you couldn't pay me to live in this pastiche of century-old Bauhaus nonsense (private gardens are banned and all the dogs have been sent off to the gas chamber in the modern architect's utopia).

Anything modern in uniform rows is suspect.

Unfortunately, building regulations tend to stifle good architecture, I think.

Small windows are an easy way to ensure thermal insulation meets specifications/regulations.

I would like to see large, triple-glazed windows on modern houses, with the houses spaced far apart enough not to overlook each other.

Instead we get tacky wood-effect Adam fireplaces with plastic moulded deatail, and fake 'lead light' panes in double glazed windows, and rooms with cupboards so shallow you have to store shoes in them sideways-on.

Edited November 23, 2013 by happy_renting

[Maynardgravy]

And what exactly is "good modern architecture" these days?

A Sterling prize winner, but you couldn't pay me to live in this pastiche of century-old Bauhaus nonsense (private gardens are banned and all the dogs have been sent off to the gas chamber in the modern architect's utopia).

What's with the machine-gun turrets?

[dances with sheeple]

What's with the machine-gun turrets?

When it finally does go Mad Max, you just prop the guns up there and start blasting, leather trousers optional, and no dog it looks like

Edited November 23, 2013 by dances with sheeple

[Executive Sadman]

And what exactly is "good modern architecture" these days?

A Sterling prize winner, but you couldn't pay me to live in this pastiche of century-old Bauhaus nonsense (private gardens are banned and all the dogs have been sent off to the gas chamber in the modern architect's utopia).

Is that the accordia one in cambridge? Every so often theres a little article in the evening news of residents getting hot under the collar that their neighbours have put up non-conformist drapes or something. Boring, uniform houses for boring, uniform people.

[Take Me Back To London!]

From the New Statesman.

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2013/11/balls-challenges-osborne-offer-new-treasury-guarantees-housebuilding

Okay, so Ed Balls is an irritating ars3, Blair and Brown caused this whole mess in the first place, none of the parties actually offer any real solutions to the rise of crony capitalism, socialism for corporations and the rich or the parasitic financial sector etc... and this is just words from politicians again, not actions.

BUT

This is the first time a mainstream political party has offered any kind of interest in addressing the housing crisis in the UK that doesn't involve subsidising the financial sector via tax payer-funded mortgage debt guarantees. It is a glimmer of hope in a completely hopeless political landscape. It also puts a stake in the ground - Housing DOES matter politically, and the boomer NIMBY "concreting over the countryside" charge is weakening.

So here's my (hypothetical) bombshell: Everyone under 40 and priced-out, or who has children should vote Labour at the next election.

*PUTS HANDS OVER EYES... TAKES COVER*

Time for a new pledge card then to replace the old one..

[Si1]

Labour can build their New Towns next to the Eco Towns that they kept saying they were going to build for the 13 years that they were in office. We can then all live in a virtual world of politicians' broken promises.

I think the political opportunity will be greater over the coming decades as the boomer NIMBY influence wanes

Edit. Nick boles (Tory) also after young oriented planning/building rules. Looking at future politics.

Edited November 23, 2013 by Si1