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From the New Statesman.

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2013/11/balls-challenges-osborne-offer-new-treasury-guarantees-housebuilding

In a notable challenge to George Osborne, he [Ed Balls] will call on the Chancellor to expand the level of Treasury guarantees available for housebuilding. Having offered £12bn of guarantees for mortgages on properties worth up to £600,000 (in the form of Help to Buy), why won't he do the same for New Towns?

The shadow chancellor will promise to look at reviving development corporations along the lines of those that constructed the post-war New Towns, noting that they had the power "to acquire, own, manage and dispose of land and property; undertake building operation; provide public utilities; and do anything else necessary to develop the New Town."

Okay, so Ed Balls is an irritating ars3, Blair and Brown caused this whole mess in the first place, none of the parties actually offer any real solutions to the rise of crony capitalism, socialism for corporations and the rich or the parasitic financial sector etc... and this is just words from politicians again, not actions.

BUT

This is the first time a mainstream political party has offered any kind of interest in addressing the housing crisis in the UK that doesn't involve subsidising the financial sector via tax payer-funded mortgage debt guarantees. It is a glimmer of hope in a completely hopeless political landscape. It also puts a stake in the ground - Housing DOES matter politically, and the boomer NIMBY "concreting over the countryside" charge is weakening.

So here's my (hypothetical) bombshell: Everyone under 40 and priced-out, or who has children should vote Labour at the next election.

*PUTS HANDS OVER EYES... TAKES COVER*

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From the New Statesman.

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2013/11/balls-challenges-osborne-offer-new-treasury-guarantees-housebuilding

Okay, so Ed Balls is an irritating ars3, Blair and Brown caused this whole mess in the first place, none of the parties actually offer any real solutions to the rise of crony capitalism, socialism for corporations and the rich or the parasitic financial sector etc... and this is just words from politicians again, not actions.

BUT

This is the first time a mainstream political party has offered any kind of interest in addressing the housing crisis in the UK that doesn't involve subsidising the financial sector via tax payer-funded mortgage debt guarantees. It is a glimmer of hope in a completely hopeless political landscape. It also puts a stake in the ground - Housing DOES matter politically, and the boomer NIMBY "concreting over the countryside" charge is weakening.

So here's my (hypothetical) bombshell: Everyone under 40 and priced-out, or who has children should vote Labour at the next election.

*PUTS HANDS OVER EYES... TAKES COVER*

Labour can build their New Towns next to the Eco Towns that they kept saying they were going to build for the 13 years that they were in office. We can then all live in a virtual world of politicians' broken promises.

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Pledge.

In common political parlance that means lie. A soundbite, bit of PR fluff to garner favour which they have no intention of following up on, just a lie.

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Pledge.

In common political parlance that means lie. A soundbite, bit of PR fluff to garner favour which they have no intention of following up on, just a lie.

To be fair, that's the New Statesman using the word "pledge". They also use the word "promise" in that article too.

Politicians' numerous broken pledges and promises are obviously a good reason to doubt any of the words that any of them say. But that is the dismal state of current politics.

My point is that this is as good as it going to get for the priced-out voter at the next election, so they should therefore grit their teeth and vote Labour.

Edited by Bear Goggles

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It's all the same old lies and spin, promises to be broken at the earliest convenience. Do we really think that Labour have suddenly decided to become the champions of normal working people? Pull the other one..

Remember, manifesto promises are not subject to legitimate expectations…

So they can promise whatever they like, the have no requirement under law to do anything they say they will do, so bear that in mind when you decide to vote Labour! :lol:

Edited by JustAnotherProle

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That old chestnut again!

They pledge that at every election, and the Tories pledge a similar home building target etc. etc. etc.

THEY NEVER DO IT!

IT NEVER HAPPENS!

I'VE HEARD THIS BU****IT FOR 20 YEARS NOW!

They have no interest in doing it. They will block housebuilding at every opportunity, while encouraging open door mass immigration and QE funded ponzi mortgages. They are the landlords, why would they do what's right for the country?

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Are Labour still getting donations from the City?

Are their leadership the sons of the banksters?

Oh, they are?

Well then, they won't be doing anything to lower house prices, will they?

Lies, all of it.

They might, just might, do it if they went back to being old Labour, in bed with the unions but not the banks, but as it is, no chance whatsoever.

LibConUKIP no better BTW.

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So far the only argument that you can come up with is "They are all lying liars and it's all lies".

Which I don't disagree with btw. It's just a bit dismal. It basically means that it is impossible to have any kind of debate or for any political party to suggest any kind of policy, and it is pointless to vote because it is all lies. This means that the only option is a revolution - forcibly remove them and replace them with some party that doesn't tell lies (whoever they are).

The Russell Brand approach to politics.

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So far the only argument that you can come up with is "They are all lying liars and it's all lies".

Which I don't disagree with btw. It's just a bit dismal. It basically means that it is impossible to have any kind of debate or for any political party to suggest any kind of policy, and it is pointless to vote because it is all lies. This means that the only option is a revolution - forcibly remove them and replace them with some party that doesn't tell lies (whoever they are).

The Russell Brand approach to politics.

Not at all. Just don't vote for the three main parties.

Vote for the little parties or independents. Mix things up, force the old career politicians out.

UKIP

Green

Respect

Monster raving loony

There are plenty, and often will have genuine people who believe in what they are doing.

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So far the only argument that you can come up with is "They are all lying liars and it's all lies".

Which I don't disagree with btw. It's just a bit dismal. It basically means that it is impossible to have any kind of debate or for any political party to suggest any kind of policy, and it is pointless to vote because it is all lies. This means that the only option is a revolution - forcibly remove them and replace them with some party that doesn't tell lies (whoever they are).

The Russell Brand approach to politics.

The party of the Iraq War, high house prices and of mass immigration. That is why I will never vote for Labour. Oh, it has Alistair Campbell in it too. And Jack Straw's SON is going be an MP.

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From the New Statesman.

http://www.newstates...s-housebuilding

Okay, so Ed Balls is an irritating ars3, Blair and Brown caused this whole mess in the first place, none of the parties actually offer any real solutions to the rise of crony capitalism, socialism for corporations and the rich or the parasitic financial sector etc... and this is just words from politicians again, not actions.

BUT

This is the first time a mainstream political party has offered any kind of interest in addressing the housing crisis in the UK that doesn't involve subsidising the financial sector via tax payer-funded mortgage debt guarantees. It is a glimmer of hope in a completely hopeless political landscape. It also puts a stake in the ground - Housing DOES matter politically, and the boomer NIMBY "concreting over the countryside" charge is weakening.

So here's my (hypothetical) bombshell: Everyone under 40 and priced-out, or who has children should vote Labour at the next election.

*PUTS HANDS OVER EYES... TAKES COVER*

Just pure nonsense from Balls. Limit the amounts people can borrow for a mortgage, limit the numbers of unskilled workers allowed into the country, problem solved IMO. The real housing crisis is that those who made bad investments (by borrowing) in property are not being made to face their losses, when they do there will be plenty of cheaper property to go round. No point building "New Towns" if a hutch costs 400k?

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To be fair, that's the New Statesman using the word "pledge". They also use the word "promise" in that article too.

Politicians' numerous broken pledges and promises are obviously a good reason to doubt any of the words that any of them say. But that is the dismal state of current politics.

My point is that this is as good as it going to get for the priced-out voter at the next election, so they should therefore grit their teeth and vote Labour.

Nah, Liemore are finished, Bliar and Broon were charismatic in comparison to the Frank Spencer/Larry Grayson hybrid and Balls Up who is probably much further out of touch than he realises. UKIP policy will dictate the "promises" that The Cons have to make, and outside events will dictate the fate of UK Property PLC and all who sail on her. Priced out voters just need to grab some popcorn and watch the show (as well as voting UKIP)

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Just pure nonsense from Balls. Limit the amounts people can borrow for a mortgage, limit the numbers of unskilled workers allowed into the country, problem solved IMO. The real housing crisis is that those who made bad investments (by borrowing) in property are not being made to face their losses, when they do there will be plenty of cheaper property to go round. No point building "New Towns" if a hutch costs 400k?

Thats it in a nutshell, Labour were fundamental in the ground up destruction , or continued destruction, of this Island. The mass immigration unchecked, the social cohesion decimated by their policies, huge increase in jobs for the boys public sector bloat, the warmongering under Blair that led us into over a DECADE of violent fighting, war we can never actually "win". Not to mention the home grown nonsense, huge civil liberty violations, massive surveillance culture, the rise of the day glo vest council bully boys..the list is endless..I'm sick of them and everything they stand for, and now they want to build some housing like they are doing us a favour?

Balls could offer me a million in cash to vote for him and I would tell them where to stick it. :angry:

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Thats it in a nutshell, Labour were fundamental in the ground up destruction , or continued destruction, of this Island. The mass immigration unchecked, the social cohesion decimated by their policies, huge increase in jobs for the boys public sector bloat, the warmongering under Blair that led us into over a DECADE of violent fighting, war we can never actually "win". Not to mention the home grown nonsense, huge civil liberty violations, massive surveillance culture, the rise of the day glo vest council bully boys..the list is endless..I'm sick of them and everything they stand for, and now they want to build some housing like they are doing us a favour?

Balls could offer me a million in cash to vote for him and I would tell them where to stick it. :angry:

:lol: And as someone else said, they have no intention of really building it, it is just sound bites because of some think tank feedback they have picked up on. Whatever they do to the country most people seem to just keep walking round with their face in a phone seemingly oblivious. Scary times.

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It basically means that it is impossible to have any kind of debate or for any political party to suggest any kind of policy, and it is pointless to vote because it is all lies.

Exactly. It's not necessarily all lies of course. But if you think about it there has been that much lies that even if they told the truth now there is no way that you can know. Anyway, I couldn't persuade myself to vote now even if I tried, but you should vote if you think it's good.

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Yes I remember the promise of the eco-towns (the 'eco' bit should have been a clue as to being more spin that substance); also remember Prescott's promise of £60k homes in London, whilst razing thousands of perfectly good homes (with some TLC) oop north under Pathfinder.

Fool me once...

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From the The New Statesman’s article:

As a recent Policy Exchange report noted, he UK needs a minimum of 1.5 million new homes from 2015 to 2020 simply to meet need, 300,000 a year. Around 221,000 new households are expected to be formed each year over this period and there is a significant backlog.

The report

http://

www.policyexchange.org.uk/images/publications/taxing%20issues.pdf

says plenty about taxation on housing (seeming to conclude that the current system is ok) and even mentions that planning and credit are major contributors to the problem of high house prices but says little or nothing about the UK's increase in population over the years or the projected increases in population.

In that respect it fails.

Yet they still, despite only looking at part of the picture, manage to arrive at the figure of 1.5 million new homes from 2015 to 2020.

They mention Germany's reasonable housing costs and Germany's avoidance of a bubble and say that's due to flexible planning and tight control of the money supply - but again the report fails to mention that compared to the UK's population (rapidly growing since the mid 70s and now growing exponentially)

http://

www.tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/population

Germany's population has been declining in recent years and hasn't increased much since the mid 70s - and with East Germany it has a larger land area than the UK.

http://

www.tradingeconomics.com/germany/population

So in that respect the report is very incomplete and is even misleading.

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Are Labour still getting donations from the City?

Are their leadership the sons of the banksters?

Oh, they are?

Well then, they won't be doing anything to lower house prices, will they?

Lies, all of it.

They might, just might, do it if they went back to being old Labour, in bed with the unions but not the banks, but as it is, no chance whatsoever.

LibConUKIP no better BTW.

*Are Labour still getting donations from the City?.... Oh, they are?...

Are they?...

http://blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/labour-funding-party-donors-tories-factcheck

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Really? Or just spouting hot air in interviews on mainstream TV and being paid for the privilege?

Well, yes - that too. Nice work if you can get it.

My point is that the "Don't vote because they are all liars" line is completely understandable because anyone under 60 and not disillusioned with mainstream politics is either an idiot, a career politician, or has some pretty large vested interest in the status quo.

My problem with it as a sentiment though is that it's to a large extent self-defeating. Young people are disillusioned and don't vote because political parties don't represent their views, so political parties can disregard the views of young people because they don't vote.

Breaking the cycle and starting to vote is the only option apart from some kind of revolution - and I'll leave that to Russell.

Here we have the Labour party framing the debate in the context of the post-war building boom and saying we need something on that scale to solve the current housing crisis. Well, that is something that you might completely disagree with and think - let's just wait for it to all collapse of its own accord - but that evidently just makes it all too easy for the politicians to dish out another few billion of public money to the banking cartel to keep the whole ponzi going for another couple of years.

We've tried that, and quite frankly it's sh!t.

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Nah, Liemore are finished, Bliar and Broon were charismatic in comparison to the Frank Spencer/Larry Grayson hybrid and Balls Up who is probably much further out of touch than he realises. UKIP policy will dictate the "promises" that The Cons have to make, and outside events will dictate the fate of UK Property PLC and all who sail on her. Priced out voters just need to grab some popcorn and watch the show (as well as voting UKIP)

They've tried that... for the last 10 years.

It basically gives politicians carte blanche to hand out an endless succession of subsidies to financial institutions in the form of HTB etc. to keep the ponzi alive.

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The big question is whether it is in their election manifesto?

(I think Labour often promise the world via the media but it never gets put into their book of actual plans.)

And then has someone stats on what % of things in their manifesto actually manifest themselves into reality?

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This is the first time a mainstream political party has offered any kind of interest in addressing the housing crisis in the UK that doesn't involve subsidising the financial sector via tax payer-funded mortgage debt guarantees. It is a glimmer of hope in a completely hopeless political landscape. It also puts a stake in the ground - Housing DOES matter politically, and the boomer NIMBY "concreting over the countryside" charge is weakening.

So here's my (hypothetical) bombshell: Everyone under 40 and priced-out, or who has children should vote Labour at the next election.

*PUTS HANDS OVER EYES... TAKES COVER*

Not the first time. Both parties used to compete on how many houses they could get built whilst in office. Mind this was in the great social housing hey day, now all housing has to create masses of private debt.

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So far the only argument that you can come up with is "They are all lying liars and it's all lies".

Which I don't disagree with btw. It's just a bit dismal. It basically means that it is impossible to have any kind of debate or for any political party to suggest any kind of policy, and it is pointless to vote because it is all lies. This means that the only option is a revolution - forcibly remove them and replace them with some party that doesn't tell lies (whoever they are).

The Russell Brand approach to politics.

Indeed.

I'm happy a mainstream political party is at least proposing mass scale house building.

Liars or not, at least their lying about relevant problems.

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I'm happy a mainstream political party is at least proposing mass scale house building.

Meanwhile CAMPAIGN: HANDS OFF OUR LAND

The Telegraph is campaigning against radical Government reforms to planning laws which opponents say pose the greatest threat to the countryside since the Second World War.

Middle England prepares for planning war over new developments

Since the National Planning Policy Framework (NPPF) was first published last March, the number of homes granted approval in England has risen by a quarter on the previous year, figures show.

Experts warned communities that the number would rise even more once the NPPF comes into force tomorrow.

Figures obtained by The Telegraph show that since the changes were published, the number of homes being granted planning permission has jumped by a quarter in England on the previous year, but fallen in Scotland and Wales, where the changes do not apply.

So Labour sat on their hands for 13 years whilst the cost of housing rocketed, now the Conservatives have managed to force through reforms wide ranging enough to p*** off the Telegraph plus the usual collection of CPRE NIMBY's.

But lets forget all that because Ed Bo11ocks has "promised to look at reviving development corporations".

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