Si1 Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 (edited) There said it Edited November 21, 2013 by Si1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macbeth79 Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 Cameron has been very good, i dont think he has put a step wrong, i think Cameron will win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCountOfNowhere Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 Cameron has been very good, i dont think he has put a step wrong, i think Cameron will win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@contradevian Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 Just like the Tories then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
interestrateripoff Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 Isn't this how all elections are won? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LC1 Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 Isn't this how all elections are won? Was just thinking that myself. Why change a proven system? I sometimes fear we expect too much on this site. Honesty in politics...? Dream on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19 year mortgage 8itch Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 Just like the Tories then You beat me to it. 'Stealing the Tories' policies again' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCountOfNowhere Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 There said it There's a good chance they will borrow off the young peoples backs and give it to the old people who vote. What we need is a big war where the young people sent the old people out to fight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkins Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 The result of the next election was probably decided on the day Cameron failed to support Clegg on Lords reform. Clegg retaliated by blocking boundary reform, meaning that Labour will go into the next election needing a much smaller percentage of the vote than the Conservatives to secure a majority or to be the party with the most MPs. This was a severe strategic blunder, the kind of thing that a CEO of a private firm might lose their job over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluffy666 Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 Well, let's see.. Economy: Still bumping along the bottom. Deficit still high because of a lack of growth and a failure to raise taxes on those who could pay. Cutting benefits that would be immediately spent into the economy does not do much to cut the deficit. Health: 'No big reorganizations' morphed into a big and expensive top-down reorganization and we are now looking at a winter crisis. No effort made to open up the culture. Welfare. Some sadistic cuts against the young and working age. Cuts to child benefit aimed specifically at potential Tory voters. Hard choices on pensions dropped to no one's surprise. Universal Credit, where 'universal' means 'Applies to hardly anyone..' Energy: Just about managed to get Hinkley point C by bribing the French and Chinese state operators. Flip-flopped on fracking. Otherwise went for the 'hope and pray' approach, seeming to think that the important thing is people switchinbg energy suppliers. Finance: In theory, the Tories should understand high finance better than Labour and they should have been able to do things like break up the banks and rein in the City. Obviously, they've done nothing. Education: Tuition Fees. Michael Gove. Let us not discuss HTB. They have basically carried on New Labour's corporatist program, but also being unpleasant towards benefit recipients (not actually saving much, just making people's lives harder). They missed a trick with AV, it's quite funny to see UKIP taking votes from them. With AV, you can be sure that most UKIP second votes would have gone Conservative. And by shafting the Lib Dems on this and the lords, they lost out on the boundary changes that would have removed Labour's general advantage. Still.. remember that the election is 18 months away and that if you can get 1 in 4 voters in this country to get off their backsides and vote for you, you can be a dictator for 5 years.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scrappycocco Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 C'mon does anyone actually remember the mistakes made by labour, a new one each day practically. Its an easy choice for me between big government or much bigger unsustainable unaffordable government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si1 Posted November 21, 2013 Author Share Posted November 21, 2013 (edited) Well, let's see.. Economy: Still bumping along the bottom. Deficit still high because of a lack of growth and a failure to raise taxes on those who could pay. Cutting benefits that would be immediately spent into the economy does not do much to cut the deficit. Yep. Paying people not to work is the easy forward in jobs and profit thereby explaining the 12% deficit under labour against the 7% deficit currently Edited November 21, 2013 by Si1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluffy666 Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 C'mon does anyone actually remember the mistakes made by labour, a new one each day practically. Its an easy choice for me between big government or much bigger unsustainable unaffordable government. Most of their mistakes involved things like too much deregulation.. PFI .. Too many private sector consultants... And if you want to claim that the last Labour government was 'big government' you'd have to give numbers, specifically numbers before the financial sector blew up.. because there is no real sign of it. There were some increases in health especially, but from a very low base. Personally I'd like Labour to be left-wing/big government and Tory to be right-wing/small government 'cause at least then you'd have some idea of what you were voting for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluffy666 Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 Yep. Paying people not to work is the easy forward in jobs and profit thereby explaining the 12% deficit under labour against the 6% deficit currently ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geezer466 Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 The result of the next election was probably decided on the day Cameron failed to support Clegg on Lords reform. Clegg retaliated by blocking boundary reform, meaning that Labour will go into the next election needing a much smaller percentage of the vote than the Conservatives to secure a majority or to be the party with the most MPs. This was a severe strategic blunder, the kind of thing that a CEO of a private firm might lose their job over. As and when the Tories fail to get a majority Cameron will be out anyway... The only way he can stay is if the Tories romp it.. It's at about this stage of the cycle you start to look at the rising stars. It will be a 3 way fight. Theresa May, Michael Gove and someone we can't quite see as yet..... Maybe Billy Hague Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si1 Posted November 21, 2013 Author Share Posted November 21, 2013 ? Yes you don't understand Fair play, you strike me as a moral person, just one I disagree with Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si1 Posted November 21, 2013 Author Share Posted November 21, 2013 Most of their mistakes involved things like too much deregulation.. PFI .. Too many private sector consultants... And if you want to claim that the last Labour government was 'big government' you'd have to give numbers, specifically numbers before the financial sector blew up.. because there is no real sign of it. There were some increases in health especially, but from a very low base. Personally I'd like Labour to be left-wing/big government and Tory to be right-wing/small government 'cause at least then you'd have some idea of what you were voting for. Oh dear Fatcher's fault Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si1 Posted November 21, 2013 Author Share Posted November 21, 2013 (edited) As and when the Tories fail to get a majority Cameron will be out anyway... The only way he can stay is if the Tories romp it.. It's at about this stage of the cycle you start to look at the rising stars. It will be a 3 way fight. Theresa May, Michael Gove and someone we can't quite see as yet..... Maybe Billy Hague Cameron does look similar to Heath. Heath failed to tackle the unions, Cameron failed to tackle the public sector and especially the banks and housing market Gove for me (May is at her limit currently, and Hague, though competent, is unelectable and probably too uncharismatic ) Edited November 21, 2013 by Si1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sancho Panza Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 The result of the next election was probably decided on the day Cameron failed to support Clegg on Lords reform. Clegg retaliated by blocking boundary reform, meaning that Labour will go into the next election needing a much smaller percentage of the vote than the Conservatives to secure a majority or to be the party with the most MPs. This was a severe strategic blunder, the kind of thing that a CEO of a private firm might lose their job over. Using an antiqauted and skewed electoral system is the only realistic hope for either the Tories or Labour to get a majority.In any sort of positive voting sytem-additional member,PR,they'd get whooped these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCountOfNowhere Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 Using an antiqauted and skewed electoral system is the only realistic hope for either the Tories or Labour to get a majority.In any sort of positive voting sytem-additional member,PR,they'd get whooped these days. Hallelujah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
campervanman Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 There's a good chance they will borrow off the young peoples backs and give it to the old people who vote. What we need is a big war where the young people sent the old people out to fight. There is also a good chance that the prudent from all generations will continue to be robbed to give it to the overborrowed from all generationswho do not need to vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byron78 Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 Cameron will lose the next election because he's hands down been the worst PM in living memory for me. And yes, that includes Thatcher, Blair, and Brown. The mistakes of previous governments are stark, obvious, and screaming out "don't make the same mistakes! Fix me!" Perhaps more than any other PM in recent history he had the opportunity for reform of the financial and housing sectors responsible for so much of the current mess. He has failed utterly and entirely. Worse: he has made much of life (and the financial/housing problems and unaffordability faced by many) even more of an issue than they were when he was elected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
campervanman Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 Cameron will lose the next election because he's hands down been the worst PM in living memory for me. And yes, that includes Thatcher, Blair, and Brown. The mistakes of previous governments are stark, obvious, and screaming out "don't make the same mistakes! Fix me!" Perhaps more than any other PM in recent history he had the opportunity for reform of the financial and housing sectors responsible for so much of the current mess. He has failed utterly and entirely. Worse: he has made much of life (and the financial/housing problems and unaffordability faced by many) even more of an issue than they were when he was elected. When the majority are hardcore junkies what is the incentive for the supplier to hand himself in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GloomMonger Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 There said it The Telegraph agrees with you, "by a landslide". http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/matthewholehouse/100220387/if-an-election-were-held-tomorrow-ed-miliband-would-win-by-a-landslide/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluffy666 Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 Oh dear Fatcher's fault Fatcher did as Fatcher does. No reason for Blair to imitate... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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