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There's A Good Chance Labour Will Win The Next Election Simply By Bribing Homeowners With Personal Bailouts

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Isn't this how all elections are won?

Was just thinking that myself. Why change a proven system?

I sometimes fear we expect too much on this site. Honesty in politics...? Dream on.

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There said it

There's a good chance they will borrow off the young peoples backs and give it to the old people who vote.

What we need is a big war where the young people sent the old people out to fight. :lol:

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The result of the next election was probably decided on the day Cameron failed to support Clegg on Lords reform.

Clegg retaliated by blocking boundary reform, meaning that Labour will go into the next election needing a much smaller percentage of the vote than the Conservatives to secure a majority or to be the party with the most MPs.

This was a severe strategic blunder, the kind of thing that a CEO of a private firm might lose their job over.

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Well, let's see..

Economy: Still bumping along the bottom. Deficit still high because of a lack of growth and a failure to raise taxes on those who could pay. Cutting benefits that would be immediately spent into the economy does not do much to cut the deficit.

Health: 'No big reorganizations' morphed into a big and expensive top-down reorganization and we are now looking at a winter crisis. No effort made to open up the culture.

Welfare. Some sadistic cuts against the young and working age. Cuts to child benefit aimed specifically at potential Tory voters. Hard choices on pensions dropped to no one's surprise. Universal Credit, where 'universal' means 'Applies to hardly anyone..'

Energy: Just about managed to get Hinkley point C by bribing the French and Chinese state operators. Flip-flopped on fracking. Otherwise went for the 'hope and pray' approach, seeming to think that the important thing is people switchinbg energy suppliers.

Finance: In theory, the Tories should understand high finance better than Labour and they should have been able to do things like break up the banks and rein in the City. Obviously, they've done nothing.

Education: Tuition Fees. Michael Gove.

Let us not discuss HTB.

They have basically carried on New Labour's corporatist program, but also being unpleasant towards benefit recipients (not actually saving much, just making people's lives harder).

They missed a trick with AV, it's quite funny to see UKIP taking votes from them. With AV, you can be sure that most UKIP second votes would have gone Conservative. And by shafting the Lib Dems on this and the lords, they lost out on the boundary changes that would have removed Labour's general advantage.

Still.. remember that the election is 18 months away and that if you can get 1 in 4 voters in this country to get off their backsides and vote for you, you can be a dictator for 5 years..

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C'mon does anyone actually remember the mistakes made by labour, a new one each day practically.

Its an easy choice for me between big government or much bigger unsustainable unaffordable government.

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Well, let's see..

Economy: Still bumping along the bottom. Deficit still high because of a lack of growth and a failure to raise taxes on those who could pay. Cutting benefits that would be immediately spent into the economy does not do much to cut the deficit.

Yep. Paying people not to work is the easy forward in jobs and profit thereby explaining the 12% deficit under labour against the 7% deficit currently

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C'mon does anyone actually remember the mistakes made by labour, a new one each day practically.

Its an easy choice for me between big government or much bigger unsustainable unaffordable government.

Most of their mistakes involved things like too much deregulation.. PFI .. Too many private sector consultants...

And if you want to claim that the last Labour government was 'big government' you'd have to give numbers, specifically numbers before the financial sector blew up.. because there is no real sign of it. There were some increases in health especially, but from a very low base.

Personally I'd like Labour to be left-wing/big government and Tory to be right-wing/small government 'cause at least then you'd have some idea of what you were voting for.

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Yep. Paying people not to work is the easy forward in jobs and profit thereby explaining the 12% deficit under labour against the 6% deficit currently

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The result of the next election was probably decided on the day Cameron failed to support Clegg on Lords reform.

Clegg retaliated by blocking boundary reform, meaning that Labour will go into the next election needing a much smaller percentage of the vote than the Conservatives to secure a majority or to be the party with the most MPs.

This was a severe strategic blunder, the kind of thing that a CEO of a private firm might lose their job over.

As and when the Tories fail to get a majority Cameron will be out anyway...

The only way he can stay is if the Tories romp it..

It's at about this stage of the cycle you start to look at the rising stars.

It will be a 3 way fight. Theresa May, Michael Gove and someone we can't quite see as yet..... Maybe Billy Hague

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Most of their mistakes involved things like too much deregulation.. PFI .. Too many private sector consultants...

And if you want to claim that the last Labour government was 'big government' you'd have to give numbers, specifically numbers before the financial sector blew up.. because there is no real sign of it. There were some increases in health especially, but from a very low base.

Personally I'd like Labour to be left-wing/big government and Tory to be right-wing/small government 'cause at least then you'd have some idea of what you were voting for.

Oh dear

Fatcher's fault

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Nah, by now there must be more old people who are mortgage free who are losing so much on their savings and living off a paltry pension (with a huge house of course) and young people renting that the group who have overstretched themselves with big mortgages and BTLers must be quite a bit smaller.

I would think the party that offers better savings rates is more likely to get the oldies block vote but at the end of the day QE and low interest rates is for the banks, not the people. Political parties no longer have the interests of the electorate in mind, it is all about pleasing the banks and big corporations. That is all.

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As and when the Tories fail to get a majority Cameron will be out anyway...

The only way he can stay is if the Tories romp it..

It's at about this stage of the cycle you start to look at the rising stars.

It will be a 3 way fight. Theresa May, Michael Gove and someone we can't quite see as yet..... Maybe Billy Hague

Cameron does look similar to Heath. Heath failed to tackle the unions, Cameron failed to tackle the public sector and especially the banks and housing market

Gove for me

(May is at her limit currently, and Hague, though competent, is unelectable and probably too uncharismatic )

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The result of the next election was probably decided on the day Cameron failed to support Clegg on Lords reform.

Clegg retaliated by blocking boundary reform, meaning that Labour will go into the next election needing a much smaller percentage of the vote than the Conservatives to secure a majority or to be the party with the most MPs.

This was a severe strategic blunder, the kind of thing that a CEO of a private firm might lose their job over.

Using an antiqauted and skewed electoral system is the only realistic hope for either the Tories or Labour to get a majority.In any sort of positive voting sytem-additional member,PR,they'd get whooped these days.

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Using an antiqauted and skewed electoral system is the only realistic hope for either the Tories or Labour to get a majority.In any sort of positive voting sytem-additional member,PR,they'd get whooped these days.

Hallelujah

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There's a good chance they will borrow off the young peoples backs and give it to the old people who vote.

What we need is a big war where the young people sent the old people out to fight. :lol:

There is also a good chance that the prudent from all generations will continue to be robbed to give it to the overborrowed from all generationswho do not need to vote.

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Cameron will lose the next election because he's hands down been the worst PM in living memory for me.

And yes, that includes Thatcher, Blair, and Brown.

The mistakes of previous governments are stark, obvious, and screaming out "don't make the same mistakes! Fix me!"

Perhaps more than any other PM in recent history he had the opportunity for reform of the financial and housing sectors responsible for so much of the current mess.

He has failed utterly and entirely.

Worse: he has made much of life (and the financial/housing problems and unaffordability faced by many) even more of an issue than they were when he was elected.

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Cameron will lose the next election because he's hands down been the worst PM in living memory for me.

And yes, that includes Thatcher, Blair, and Brown.

The mistakes of previous governments are stark, obvious, and screaming out "don't make the same mistakes! Fix me!"

Perhaps more than any other PM in recent history he had the opportunity for reform of the financial and housing sectors responsible for so much of the current mess.

He has failed utterly and entirely.

Worse: he has made much of life (and the financial/housing problems and unaffordability faced by many) even more of an issue than they were when he was elected.

When the majority are hardcore junkies what is the incentive for the supplier to hand himself in?

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