FreeTrader Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 Really? Outside of the Lib Dems who's done that? I don't think you can seriously argue that the Conservatives have kept to their manifesto, but if I gave a list of the broken promises (e.g. abandonment of the Human Rights Act, raising of Inheritance Tax threshold to £1m, raising of Stamp Duty threshold to £250,000) I'm sure you'd just say that these were all compromised by the alliance with the Lib-Dems. In my view David Cameron would have dropped almost everything in the Conservative manifesto if it meant that he would become resident in 10 Downing Street. As with Tony Blair, his ambition has nothing to do with the good of the nation or the well-being of its citizens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gf3 Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 Unfortunatly that's the way the UK political system works, any vote outside of the big 2 is wasted. You seem to be suffering from Stockholm syndrome. The liberals tried to free you from this but you are going to vote for your captures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goat Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 You seem to be suffering from Stockholm syndrome. The liberals tried to free you from this but you are going to vote for your captures. Bulls***. Face reality for a moment, the choice is Milliband or Cameron and I really don't want to give Labour another chance to bankrupt us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Banner Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 Bulls***. Face reality for a moment, the choice is Milliband or Cameron and I really don't want to give Labour another chance to bankrupt us. Perhaps a term of Milliband as PM would sink Labour's election chances for the next twenty years. Losing to Milliband would almost certainly sink Cameron and we'd hopefully get a proper Conservative leader with conviction rather than a career politician who will do anything to get re-elected. I have an intense dislike of Labour, but if my voting UKIP gets them into power again then so be it because I sure as hell won't be voting for Cameron the estate agent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkins Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 Face reality for a moment, the choice is Milliband or Cameron No, my choices are all the names listed on the ballot paper, or a spoilt ballot, or not voting. What other voters choose is up to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybong Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 Churn them - if only for goodness sake. The seats will still be filled of course but churning them just might help a bit with democracy - if not at least the electorate gets to see a different face a bit less experienced in the Westminster principle of graft and greed and those kicked out get to taste a bit of what most folks have to go through these days - even if good riddance MPs get a feather bedded experience. It would be especially beneficial if some of the safe seats were churned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dances with sheeple Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 Not as far as the westminster parties are concerned. Devolution gave them just that little bit less reach, less power, that is change. If a lot of voters go UKIP (and they will) it is a problem for the big two, and for MP`s who will lose seats. Do you think the Cons didn`t feel "changed" after they lost all their seats in Scotland ? Losing the grip on power is what hurts these people, VOTE UKIP! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goat Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 (edited) VOTE UKIP..... .... GET LABOUR. Edited November 12, 2013 by Goat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCountOfNowhere Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 .... GET LABOUR. Unless EVERYONE votes UKIP. I say get labour back in and watch the whole thing collapse. We don't need a change of government, we need a change of system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Banner Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 .... GET LABOUR. Not necessarily, but if it happens it's possibly for the best in the long term. Perhaps a term of Milliband as PM would sink Labour's election chances for the next twenty years. Losing to Milliband would almost certainly sink Cameron and we'd hopefully get a proper Conservative leader with conviction rather than a career politician who will do anything to get re-elected. I have an intense dislike of Labour, but if my voting UKIP gets them into power again then so be it because I sure as hell won't be voting for Cameron the estate agent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkins Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 .... GET LABOUR. They're no worse than the other two. The main three parties are indistinguishable at this point, especially at the top. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dances with sheeple Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 (edited) .... GET LABOUR. I notice you didn`t address the main point - LOSING POWER, ANY POWER HURTS THEM! And it hurts individual MP`s. If you are sick of the big parties lies and incompetence and banker loving ways, throw out their representative in your hamlet, by VOTING UKIP. Edited November 12, 2013 by dances with sheeple Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dances with sheeple Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 Unless EVERYONE votes UKIP. I say get labour back in and watch the whole thing collapse. We don't need a change of government, we need a change of system. Yep, UKIP ruling (ruining ) the debate for the cons with a labour victory at the end will do for me. Balls and the Spencer/Grayson hybrid will run the ship full on to the rocks for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCountOfNowhere Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 (edited) Yep, UKIP ruling (ruining ) the debate for the cons with a labour victory at the end will do for me. Balls and the Spencer/Grayson hybrid will run the ship full on to the rocks for sure. At least if UKIP hold the sway of power maybe they will shake things up a bit...maybe people will see a change is possible. Nothing can sway me from voting UKIP now. I am sure we will see a real nasty campaign against them though. The only thing that might stop me is if Gordon Brown, Tony Blair or Ed balls was my local candidate. Edited November 12, 2013 by TheCountOfNowhere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dances with sheeple Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 At least if UKIP hold the sway of power maybe they will shake things up a bit...maybe people will see a change is possible. Nothing can sway me from voting UKIP now. I am sure we will see a real nasty campaign against them though. The only thing that might stop me is if Gordon Brown, Tony Blair or Ed balls was my local candidate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybong Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 (edited) At least Cameron woudn't be in the papers or on the telly every day. He'd be like G Brown after the last election which was such an uplift for the UK - it probably enhanced GDP quite a few points. Clegg's already as good as invisible and doesn't count. Edited November 12, 2013 by billybong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Banner Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 At least if UKIP hold the sway of power maybe they will shake things up a bit...maybe people will see a change is possible. Nothing can sway me from voting UKIP now. I am sure we will see a real nasty campaign against them though. The only thing that might stop me is if Gordon Brown, Tony Blair or Ed balls was my local candidate. A U-Turn on HTB, with an admission that it was the wrong thing to do, would do it for me. But that's highly unlikely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dances with sheeple Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 A U-Turn on HTB, with an admission that it was the wrong thing to do, would do it for me. But that's highly unlikely. Honestly can`t see him saying anything was the "wrong" thing to do, unless it is from their policies of 20+ years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Banner Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 Honestly can`t see him saying anything was the "wrong" thing to do, unless it is from their policies of 20+ years ago. No, I don't believe for a second that he will so my protest vote for UKIP is pretty secure. The thing is that the votes he'll succeed in buying with these schemes will be from the very people who will be in negative equity by the end of the decade when house prices will, in my opinion, be in the region of 50% down from the peak. Lambs to the slaughter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maynardgravy Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 A U-Turn on HTB, with an admission that it was the wrong thing to do, would do it for me. But that's highly unlikely. You turn if you want to... this reprehensible, selfish moron is not for turning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wonderpup Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 It's quite funny that Cameron thinks he is somehow following in Thatcher's footprints by creating help to buy- in reality it's a socialist intervention in the housing market designed to court short term popular acclaim at the expense of long term national interest- it's hard to imagine Thatcher would approve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexw Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 No, I don't believe for a second that he will so my protest vote for UKIP is pretty secure. The thing is that the votes he'll succeed in buying with these schemes will be from the very people who will be in negative equity by the end of the decade when house prices will, in my opinion, be in the region of 50% down from the peak. Lambs to the slaughter. That's the thing I don't get. When this all blows up the blame will be pinned squarely on the tories because of HTB. Very little if any will attach to labour despite it blowing the bubble up up to 2008. HTB is just so visible a policy. That'll then mean the tories are out of power for a generation. So why are not the backbenchers or those in safe seats not screaming at this? Because in essence cameron is ******* them over completely in the long term for a single election. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinker Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 That'll then mean the tories are out of power for a generation. So why are not the backbenchers or those in safe seats not screaming at this? Because in essence cameron is ******* them over completely in the long term for a single election. Cameron is really a socialist. "Girls will be boys and boys will be girls, it's a mixed up muddled up shook up world..." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dances with sheeple Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 Cameron is really a socialist. "Girls will be boys and boys will be girls, it's a mixed up muddled up shook up world..." Cameron is an undercover dildo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bland Unsight Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 +1 Look what Cameron was up to today. Desperate. This could well be his "End to boom and bust" moment. When the PM stages a photo-call with people because he's managed to go coax them to take out a mortgage, that really is a through the looking glass moment, IMO. Go back 7 years and they were handing that nonsense out 95% LTV interest-only, self cert to anything with a pulse. Now if you you go 95% LTV, certified earnings and repayment you get to go to Downing Street. I believe the vernacular is WTF? OMFG. The people looked freaked out because they are - wouldn't you be if you tried to buy a 2-bed in Oldham and ended up stood behind the PM for that reason alone - I'd be similarly discombobulated if I made the New Year's Honours list for taking the bin out, which would have seemed just as likely as this fan dance a few short years ago. Next step debt deflation? Wages are leading the way... Still at least in the meantime we can marvel at the fact that we got to live through such times as these. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.