SarahBell Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2487444/Taxpayers-10-000-teach-failed-asylum-seeker-fly.html?ICO=most_read_module Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@contradevian Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 http://www.dailymail...ost_read_module But the lawyers have had a field day. They managed to get it all the way to the Court of Appeal. Impossible for a penniless Brit regardless of the merits of the case. Immigration = Help For Lawyers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloo Loo Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 I have several friends who are Airline pilots. I was aiming to be one myself, but recession and a kidney stone halted that. However, today, you need AAA at A level then get degree to be a pilot... http://www.flightdeckfriend.com/#!university-pilot-degree-course/c235l SO you spend £9k on a degree which doesnt get you qualified to be anything other than PPL, then sit for three years studying things that you need three A grade A levels to even think about studying, like dead reckoning, reading a compass, working a radio and other things that now instead of studying part time, you need to spend £9K doing it "full time". We would never have even built the Spitfire if the current clowns were in charge in 1935. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stainless Sam Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 What's the problem? When he's finished, he'll be able to fly himself home. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SpewLabour Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 If he's getting loans to become an airline pilot, the cost is approx 8k - for the PPL He'll then need at least 100 hours hour building (about 10k), followed by 14 exams + accommodation and study (about 5k). 400 quid for a Class 1 medical and he's ready to start the CPL - about 10k all in with flight test and licence issue. That'll put him at the point where he can charge for his time as a pilot, but he's a LONG way off airline pilot. He'll need an IR (another 10k), multi-engine (2k ish), crew cooperation course (2k?) and at least another 4-500 hours before an airline will look at him. He could get that by becoming an instructor (prob about another 10k - not sure on that)..... 45k + 10k for instructors rating, then he'll need at least a year instructing to get those hours up. Plus he'll need to renew all the ratings once a year... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
interestrateripoff Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 Wouldn't it be cheaper to get him to join the RAF? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Banner Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 If he's getting loans to become an airline pilot, the cost is approx 8k - for the PPL He'll then need at least 100 hours hour building (about 10k), followed by 14 exams + accommodation and study (about 5k). 400 quid for a Class 1 medical and he's ready to start the CPL - about 10k all in with flight test and licence issue. That'll put him at the point where he can charge for his time as a pilot, but he's a LONG way off airline pilot. He'll need an IR (another 10k), multi-engine (2k ish), crew cooperation course (2k?) and at least another 4-500 hours before an airline will look at him. He could get that by becoming an instructor (prob about another 10k - not sure on that)..... 45k + 10k for instructors rating, then he'll need at least a year instructing to get those hours up. Plus he'll need to renew all the ratings once a year... In the 90s all that was covered by CPL NVQ which gave tax relief at 40% to higher rate taxpayers . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpewLabour Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 In the 90s all that was covered by CPL NVQ which gave tax relief at 40% to higher rate taxpayers . Really ? Is that still going? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Banner Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 Really ? Is that still going? They stopped it in early 2000s. Don't think they restarted it. Edit: The NVQ was 'Piloting Transport Aircraft' and run by the 'Aviation Training Association'. The qualification wasn't worth the paper it was written on, hence no one bothered to complete it, but the tax relief was useful. It covered SFH if hours building for instructor rating and CPL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hectors House Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 Hey what is everyone complaining about this failed asylum seeker is plainly a striver, he knows what he wants to do and knows how to get it funded. Lazy Brits (who get no help whatsoever) take notice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybong Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 Interestingly the Mail didn't seem to make any comment at all about how the legal costs were paid - upto the Court of Appeal. Presumably it was all paid for by using "free" legal aid which must have cost taxpayers tens of thousands of pounds - but the result will total many £millions over future years as it seems to set a precedent. Free legal aid not generally available for everyone who wants to do jobs like airline pilots. It's no surprise that the UK is a popular destination. All those sort of decisions seem to be set up intentionally encourage that and always at the expense of the taxpayers already living in the UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@contradevian Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 Hey what is everyone complaining about this failed asylum seeker is plainly a striver, he knows what he wants to do and knows how to get it funded. Lazy Brits (who get no help whatsoever) take notice! Not true, they do get help. Endless CV submission training at local A4E offices and if they are really lucky a retail apprenticeship at Poundland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hectors House Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 Not true, they do get help. Endless CV submission training at local A4E offices and if they are really lucky a retail apprenticeship at Poundland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Executive Sadman Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 Did the MoD pay for the lessons perchance? Didnt the US DoD pay for the one of the 9/11 hijackers to have similar lessons? As Bush said 'They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we.' He wasnt joking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloo Loo Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 If he's getting loans to become an airline pilot, the cost is approx 8k - for the PPL He'll then need at least 100 hours hour building (about 10k), followed by 14 exams + accommodation and study (about 5k). 400 quid for a Class 1 medical and he's ready to start the CPL - about 10k all in with flight test and licence issue. That'll put him at the point where he can charge for his time as a pilot, but he's a LONG way off airline pilot. He'll need an IR (another 10k), multi-engine (2k ish), crew cooperation course (2k?) and at least another 4-500 hours before an airline will look at him. He could get that by becoming an instructor (prob about another 10k - not sure on that)..... 45k + 10k for instructors rating, then he'll need at least a year instructing to get those hours up. Plus he'll need to renew all the ratings once a year... Plus the Degree of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpewLabour Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 Plus the Degree of course. You don't need that degree for a CPL - it just appears to be an extra course that Leeds have dreamed up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloo Loo Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 You don't need that degree for a CPL - it just appears to be an extra course that Leeds have dreamed up. coming soon.... you need a degree to be a van driver these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@contradevian Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 coming soon.... you need a degree to be a van driver these days. You won't. Google have that covered Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winkie Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 coming soon.... you need a degree to be a van driver these days. Coming soon.... you don't need a degree to do anything......only a degree of common sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TheBlueCat Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 Want To Learn To Fly? Yes please, and I'd like to live forever too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
interestrateripoff Posted November 6, 2013 Share Posted November 6, 2013 http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/giving-the-other-side-the-story-behind-the-asylum-seekers-flying-lessons-that-caused-fuss-in-the-daily-mail-8924391.html The first time Yonas Kebede took the controls of a plane last month, his teacher thought he must have flown one before. The 22-year-old, who had always dreamed of being in the cockpit, did everything instinctively, soaring through the sky and dipping the plane’s wings without flinching. “My instructor said most people when they go on their first flight start to get stressed, but when he said ‘Roll to the left and the right’, I just did it. He was impressed and I was so happy,” he says. The cost of Yonas’s flying lessons made national news after a Court of Appeal ruling that Newcastle City Council should pay for his and his brother Abiy’s further education. On Tuesday the front page of the Daily Mail screamed: “10k bill to teach asylum-seeker to fly”. Yonas, whose speech now has the twang of a Geordie accent, came to Britain from Ethiopia when he was 13 and his brother was 11. More than £7,000 of the £10,000 from the council is a loan which he intends to pay back as soon as he is a working pilot. He only needs it because the Coalition changed the law in 2011, making it impossible for young people without permanent immigration status to get a student loan. His court victory in July was a moment of elation but when he recalls seeing Tuesday’s papers, Yonas’s face crumples. “I didn’t do anything criminal, I just wanted to learn like anybody else,” he says. His experience shows how hysteria can grow. News of the ruling was first published in an obscure law report in The Times three months after it happened, buried below Births, Marriages and Deaths. A week later, the Newcastle Chronicle picked up the story on its front page, with the headline “Tyneside taxpayer money paying for Ethiopian flying lessons” and two days after that, the national press piled in. And now the response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpewLabour Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/giving-the-other-side-the-story-behind-the-asylum-seekers-flying-lessons-that-caused-fuss-in-the-daily-mail-8924391.html And now the response. From the article "More than £7,000 of the £10,000 from the council is a loan which he intends to pay back as soon as he is a working pilot". Problem is, getting a PPL doesn't allow him to become a working pilot. Who will pay for the other 30-40k (and the rest...) he'll need to spend? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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