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SIX REASONS THE CBI THINKS THE UK IS BETTER OFF IN THE EU THAN OUT

1. EU membership is worth four to five per cent of the UK’s Gross Domestic Product each year – around £62-79bn.

2. Membership gives a £1,225 benefit per person each year, compared with a £116 cost, it claims

3. With 30 Free Trade Agreements signed, British businesses have access to markets worth $24 trillion. Negotiations underway with Japan and US could hike that market value to $47 trillion.

4. EU membership gives access to markets of 500m people, rather than 60m for the UK alone.

5. 71 per cent of members surveyed by the CBI said EU membership has had a positive overall impact on their business.

6. Meanwhile 72 per cent of surveyed British businesses believe the UK has a significant influence on EU policies affecting their business and 78 per cent of firms want to remain in the EU.

- See more at: http://www.cityam.com/article/1383542983/cbi-calls-uk-stay-member-reformed-eu?utm_source=website&utm_medium=TD_news_headlines_right_col&utm_campaign=TD_news_headlines_right_col#sthash.rouSjmso.dpuf'>http://www.cityam.com/article/1383542983/cbi-calls-uk-stay-member-reformed-eu?utm_source=website&utm_medium=TD_news_headlines_right_col&utm_campaign=TD_news_headlines_right_col#sthash.rouSjmso.dpuf

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CBI have been saying that each house hold is £3000 a year better off being in the EU

Really don't believe it myself. Just sounds like the CBI and the Tory party are one of the same thing.

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It is a one way street. Access to cheap labour from new entrant states, access to markets and uncutting local skills is right at the top of the agenda. All gain on the business side (potenitally), unless their whole sector is creamed by external competition.

Our trade benefit is so good we end up with a trade deficit, every year, the public in the main pays that bill.

The C|BI love debt too - as far as they are concerned the population of this country cannot get anouhg of it, short term no doubt a fillip for the companies they represent, but ultimately no good for the popualtion or the companies themselves.

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Membership gives a £1,225 benefit per person each year, compared with a £116 cost, it claims

How does that work then?

Given that most of EU budget is payments to wealthy land owners.

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How does that work then?

Given that most of EU budget is payments to wealthy land owners.

That's the value they put on you being allowed to drive past and admire the millions of acres of grouse moors etc you pay for as "set aside".

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How does that work then?

Given that most of EU budget is payments to wealthy land owners.

Yes I know.

I am anti EU but I wouldn't mind a reasoned debate to see if I am wrong. What I have heard so far is just a hatchet job.

EU has just lowered everybody's wages because of cheap immigrant wages. business love it more profit for them. The £3,000 per household figure is probable how much extra each house hold would get in wages if we didn't have immigrants.

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Did they ask representatives of the 1000's of engineering/manufacturing businesses that went bust over the last 30 years of EU rule?

By definition the CBI only includes members that have thrived in the EU.

Yet here we are, broke, in over a trillion £s in debt.

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Spot the difference.

"We need a sensible, grown up debate about immigration."

Michael Rake, 2013.

"We need a sensible, grown-up debate about immigration."

David Cameron, 2012.

"We need a sensible, grown-up debate about immigration."

John Reid, 2006.

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Ha ha. Only the other day there was another group surveyed who said the UK would be better off out of the EU;

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2482755/Costs-staying-EU-outweigh-benefits-warn-business-leaders-overwhelmingly-plans-referendum.html

Yes, I was going to dig that out!

On balance employers are better off in the EU (cheaper labour) but the majority, the British employees, are better off out.

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Spot the difference.

"We need a sensible, grown up debate about immigration."

Michael Rake, 2013.

"We need a sensible, grown-up debate about immigration."

David Cameron, 2012.

"We need a sensible, grown-up debate about immigration."

John Reid, 2006.

It's the hyphen isn't it? :P

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The key word is reformed, reform something that is clearly not working as it should....not surprised there are those that think we would be better off without it.......it seems like a gigantic monster of expensive bureaucracy, where we have sold our powers to people who we have no control over and didn't vote in.....so not only do they want to control our monetary policies they are planing to control our fiscal polices......the principle of an European Union is a good one, but we have got something we didn't expect and didn't sign up to. ;)

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The key word is reformed, reform something that is clearly not working as it should....not surprised there are those that think we would be better off without it.......it seems like a gigantic monster of expensive bureaucracy, where we have sold our powers to people who we have no control over and didn't vote in.....so not only do they want to control our monetary policies they are planing to control our fiscal polices......the principle of an European Union is a good one, but we have got something we didn't expect and didn't sign up to. ;)

They won't reform it. There will be promised reform which will be used by Cameron not to have a vote but all that will be is a slowdown in implementing the next raft of legislation.

The permanent staff of the EU want a single European nation, they will not coutenance a roll-back but will accept a slowdown.

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They won't reform it. There will be promised reform which will be used by Cameron not to have a vote but all that will be is a slowdown in implementing the next raft of legislation.

The permanent staff of the EU want a single European nation, they will not coutenance a roll-back but will accept a slowdown.

I have lost trust in that they will do what they want to do, or put it another way do what they are told to do.....who is in charge here? ;)

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If the eu is so great then hold a referendum immediately and the CBI can put its point of view and no doubt people will listen to it along with the other opinions

To start with the CBI could publish the detailed calculations behind all the figures they're quoting. They don't look at all convincing.

Edited by billybong

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4. EU membership gives access to markets of 500m people, rather than 60m for the UK alone.

They don't even know the accurate figure for the UK population.

Farcical that they're trying to suggest that the "500m" won't trade unless the UK is in the eu state.

One of the main reasons they used to offer to justify joining up with europe was the prospect of a common currency. That seems to have been omitted from their current list.

Who knows but the UK might even achieve a GDP per capita as high as Iceland's if outside of the eu.

Edited by billybong

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This explains everything.. ;)

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And we import more than that from the EU. Like any of it will cease if we leave.

And it matters not if we leave as long we apply the products legislation (CE); this is the route that Norway and Switzerland have taken.

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EU has just lowered everybody's wages because of cheap immigrant wages. business love it more profit for them. The £3,000 per household figure is probable how much extra each house hold would get in wages if we didn't have immigrants.

This is more about globalisation and not just EU membership.

The idea that British workers can charge 10x more than Polish or Chinese workers is not sustainable for very long. You can potentially protect British labour and goods markets, but in the long term it will make UK globally uncompetitive. So I do not think you can really do anything about it. You need to get used to that Polish and Chinese wages will go up and British wages stay same or go down.

Also if you argue UK to leave EU then Scottish would argue with the same arguments to leave UK.

You can integrate or you can isolate. However you can not have both at the same time.

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This is more about globalisation and not just EU membership.

The idea that British workers can charge 10x more than Polish or Chinese workers is not sustainable for very long. You can potentially protect British labour and goods markets, but in the long term it will make UK globally uncompetitive. So I do not think you can really do anything about it. You need to get used to that Polish and Chinese wages will go up and British wages stay same or go down.

Also if you argue UK to leave EU then Scottish would argue with the same arguments to leave UK.

You can integrate or you can isolate. However you can not have both at the same time.

10x is a bit of an exaggeration for Poles. However a lot of the jobs that we are talking about are care jobs, working in hotels, working in shops, fruit picking. These aren't really things in the global market place, our old people aren't suddenly going to ship out to Slovenia because the care home fees there are less. I'm not going to stay in a Premier Inn in Gdansk because it costs less than Bury-St-Edmunds. It's not all about manufacturing.

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10x is a bit of an exaggeration for Poles. However a lot of the jobs that we are talking about are care jobs, working in hotels, working in shops, fruit picking. These aren't really things in the global market place, our old people aren't suddenly going to ship out to Slovenia because the care home fees there are less. I'm not going to stay in a Premier Inn in Gdansk because it costs less than Bury-St-Edmunds. It's not all about manufacturing.

Not directly, but they are global.

If your social care is 3x more expensive you have to pay it from extra taxation, what again makes the British worker more expensive.

Same if you make British hotels or shops more expensive to run. Somebody (the consumer) will have to pay more, so they will demand higher wages.

I just can not see in the long term that a shop assistant in Uk can be paid much more than in the rest of the world. It can take 30/50 years, but it is inevitable. Such as cheap holidays in Spain are gone forever ...

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Spot the difference.

"We need a sensible, grown up debate about immigration."

Michael Rake, 2013.

"We need a sensible, grown-up debate about immigration."

David Cameron, 2012.

"We need a sensible, grown-up debate about immigration."

John Reid, 2006.

So, the EU is all about immigration? Can you explain that?

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Spot the difference.

"We need a sensible, grown up debate about immigration."

Michael Rake, 2013.

"We need a sensible, grown-up debate about immigration."

David Cameron, 2012.

"We need a sensible, grown-up debate about immigration."

John Reid, 2006.

In 2100, when everyone in Pakistan has already come here, we'll probably get "a sensible, grown-up debate about immigration."

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Telegraph blog on who the CBI actually are: Memo to the BBC: Please stop referring to the CBI as 'British business'

I once attended a regional CBI conference in my constituency. I'm pretty certain that the businesses – in the sense of organisations that had to make profits – were outnumbered by the charities, local government agencies and NGOs. There was even, I remember, a local Scout group. Yet this is the organisation which is represented by the BBC as the voice of British industry.

It does represent some industries, of course, especially the large multi-nationals that are most adept at reaching accommodations with governments. Mega-corporations generally love Brussels, intuiting that the system was made for them. They have invested a great deal of time and money in getting regulations that suit them at the expense of their smaller rivals. The last thing they want is to have to start all over again.

Most firms, of course, are not in a position to lobby the EU for favours.....

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