Jump to content
House Price Crash Forum

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

interestrateripoff

My Husband Did Not Kill Jfk: Lee Harvey Oswald’S Reclusive Widow Is Convinced He Was Not The Assassin

Recommended Posts

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2484015/Lee-Harvey-Oswalds-widow-Marina-convinced-husband-did-NOT-kill-JFK.html

My husband did NOT kill JFK: Lee Harvey Oswald’s reclusive widow is convinced he was not the assassin… and believes her phone is still being bugged on 50th anniversary of his death

Marina Oswald Porter, a 72-year-old grandmother has lived with her second husband Ken in Rockwall, Texas since the mid-Seventies

She has two daughters by Oswald and a son with her second husband

The assassin's ring sold to an anonymous Texas bidder on October 24 for $108,000 - Mrs Porter will keep the proceeds

Fifty years after her husband became one of the most reviled men in American history Marina Porter has revealed she is convinced Lee Harvey Oswald was not responsible for killing President John F Kennedy.

Half a century after a gunshot rang out and rendered her a widow with two young children to care for, the now 72-year-old has seen in public, stepping out to shop in Walmart.

Since her husband - a Soviet defector - was named the man responsible for assassinating JFK, Russian-born Marina has lived a quiet life behind closed doors, hiding away from suspicious eyes.

..

Immediately after the assassination the then mother-of-two told the Warren Commission investigating the assassination that she thought her 24-year-old husband was guilty of shooting the president.

But as the 50th anniversary looms, sources have revealed, the mother-of-three has, after reading 40,000 books and conspiracy theories about the shooting, she has changed her mind.

She now believes, along with the majority of American citizens, that a more complex cover up led to the shooting of the beloved president.

Oswald a "Soviet" defector??? That's a new twist, I thought he was a US defector who fled to USSR and then decided to come back, apparently not according to the Wail.

Interesting that she's speaking now and she's correct about her phone being bugged but then again so is everyone elses.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Oswald a "Soviet" defector??? That's a new twist, I thought he was a US defector who fled to USSR and then decided to come back, apparently not according to the Wail.

One of my favourite JFK talks is Michael Parenti's 'The Gangster Nature of the State' (c.1993). Parenti's an old school 1960s Leftie academic and runs over some of the peculiar aspects of Oswald's time in the Marines, his (alleged) defection and surprisingly painless return to the US. The Oswald part starts 15 minutes in and rapidly turns into almost a stand-up comedy routine...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jay8sBJ1EnI

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

One of my favourite JFK talks is Michael Parenti's 'The Gangster Nature of the State' (c.1993). Parenti's an old school 1960s Leftie academic and runs over some of the peculiar aspects of Oswald's time in the Marines, his (alleged) defection and surprisingly painless return to the US. The Oswald part starts 15 minutes in and rapidly turns into almost a stand-up comedy routine...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jay8sBJ1EnI

Fascinating. Listening to it now. Amazed you can get released from the marines if mummy drops a jar on her foot!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

http://www.conspiracyanddemocracy.org/

The Leverhulme-funded project at the University of Cambridge, CRASSH

What does the prevalence of conspiracy theories tell us about trust in democratic societies, and about the differences between cultures and societies? How have conspiracies and conspiracy theorising changed over the centuries and what, if any, is the relationship between them? Have conspiracy theories appeared at particular moments in history, and why?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-24650841

Like the other researchers, he is wary, or perhaps that should be weary, of delving into the darker recesses of the conspiracy world.

"The minute you get into the JFK stuff, and the minute you sniff at the 9/11 stuff, you begin to lose the will to live," he told the audience in Cambridge.

Like Sir Richard Evans, who heads the five-year Conspiracy and Democracy project, he is at pains to stress that the aim is not to prove or disprove particular theories, simply to study their impact on culture and society.

Why are we so fascinated by them? Are they undermining trust in democratic institutions?

You lose the will to live? Surely the narrative around Oswald would raise the critical thinking of anyone as the story really doesn't make sense.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Fascinating. Listening to it now. Amazed you can get released from the marines if mummy drops a jar on her foot!

Parenti over-eggs a few things. For example, Oswald being trained by the military to speak Russian is rumoured and also implied by something one of the Warren Commissioners said. It's not documented as fact. The gist of Parenti's pitch is, I understand, reasonably on the mark though; Oswald's strange behaviour in the Marines, the ease of his alleged defection, the even greater ease of his return, his spooky associations on his return.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

http://www.conspiracyanddemocracy.org/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-24650841

You lose the will to live? Surely the narrative around Oswald would raise the critical thinking of anyone as the story really doesn't make sense.

Its a bit simplistic addressing 'conspiracy theories' as a single entity, a narrative clearly pushed by the establishment to lump probable theories of the JFK assasination alongside absurd reports of alien abductions.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Parenti over-eggs a few things. For example, Oswald being trained by the military to speak Russian is rumoured and also implied by something one of the Warren Commissioners said. It's not documented as fact. The gist of Parenti's pitch is, I understand, reasonably on the mark though; Oswald's strange behaviour in the Marines, the ease of his alleged defection, the even greater ease of his return, his spooky associations on his return.

Not surprising as that might make people ask a few awkward questions....

Have to agree the whole defection thing really doesn't make sense, did many defectors to the USSR come back into the US so easy with a Soviet bride?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Not surprising as that might make people ask a few awkward questions....

Have to agree the whole defection thing really doesn't make sense, did many defectors to the USSR come back into the US so easy with a Soviet bride?

He didn't defect. He was Joe Nobody, didn't fit in anywhere. Went to live in Russia and when he found he wasn't the centre of attention he came back to the US hoping to be greeted by reporters at the airport and achieve fame. He was crushed when nobody took any notice.

He finally got the fame he wanted by shooting the president.

Sirhan Sirhan sounded more like a conspiracy but he didn't shoot the president.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Its a bit simplistic addressing 'conspiracy theories' as a single entity, a narrative clearly pushed by the establishment to lump probable theories of the JFK assasination alongside absurd reports of alien abductions.

Seems valid to me. They all share a similar psychological set. Paranoia, the inability to assess sources of information, the delusion that the establishment and the mainstream media are a single monolithic entity, inability to acknowledge facts when they contradict the conspiraloon's theroy, selective application of the laws of physics, quote mining, cherry picking, and the conspiraloon's belief that he is part of a group of really really clever people who are in on the Big Secret that the sheeple just cant understand.....

.... not to mention.......

Not surprising as that might make people ask a few awkward questions....

.....the belief that the absence of evidence is evidence of a cover-up. ;)

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

.....the belief that the absence of evidence is evidence of a cover-up. ;)

Just like all the "evidence" that got rewritten by South Yorkshire Police over Hillsborough or Orgreave clearly no conspiracy or cover up there...

Nothing is ever black or white.

Similarly with Jimmy Savile the only place really where the allegations about him got made were the conspiracyloon sites, how did that turn out?

Also I never said it was evidence of a cover up just that merely if it was true would be quietly dropped because it would raise awkward questions. Having read many books on JFK I've never read anything which eliminates all the discrepancies to go beyond reasonable doubt. For example what happened to the second rifle recovered? Who identified themselves as secret service prior to assignation on the grassy knoll, the only secret service on duty were those in the motorcade? To impersonate a secret service agent is a federal offence yet this was never investigated. Why was Kennedy's limo removed from Dallas?

Plus why did Oswald take the shot from the rear when he had a far easier and better shot from the front before the car turned?

The investigation was botched in the most high profile murder case in history.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Also I never said it was evidence of a cover up just that merely if it was true would be quietly dropped because it would raise awkward questions. Having read many books on JFK I've never read anything which eliminates all the discrepancies to go beyond reasonable doubt. For example what happened to the second rifle recovered? Who identified themselves as secret service prior to assignation on the grassy knoll, the only secret service on duty were those in the motorcade? To impersonate a secret service agent is a federal offence yet this was never investigated. Why was Kennedy's limo removed from Dallas?

Plus why did Oswald take the shot from the rear when he had a far easier and better shot from the front before the car turned?

The investigation was botched in the most high profile murder case in history.

Only one rifle was found and that was the Mannlicher-Carcano owned by LHO.

Evidence of a second rifle?

Evidence that someone said they were secret service on the grassy knoll and what relevance is this anyway? If the secret service wants to shoot the president from the grassy knoll, they are hardly going to identify themselves as secret service are they?

Why should the limo not have been removed. What is to be gained by leaving it in situ?

Its actually an absolute slam-dunk murder case. The evidence is simply overwhelming.

We know

LHO was on the 6th floor of the TBSD that day

That he took a package into work and lied about it being curtain rods

LHO carried no such package back to 1026 N. Beckley Avenue

LHO had a fake ID in the name of AJ Hidell.

The order for the rifle was in the name of AJ Hidell and in LHO's handwriting

LHO attempts and fails to assasinate Edwin Walker days after purchasing the rifle

The rifle found on the 6th floor of TBSD was the Mannlicher-Carcano that belonged to LHO

His palm print was on the rifle

His prints were on boxes within the snipers nest

He was unable to provide any alibi for the time of the assassination

No other rifle was found

No spent ammunition was found in the vicinity of Dealy Plaza other than that coming from the Mannlicher-Carcano which belonged to LHO.

LHO owned the handgun that killed Officer Tippit

Multiple witnesses confirm that LHO shot Tippit

Any Barrister would be barking mad to advise their client to plead not guilty with that body of evidence against them.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

http://www.acorn.net/jfkplace/09../fp.back_issues/11th_Issue/guns_dp.html

Action on the Roof

Oswald's 6.5 Mannlicher-Carcano was not the only weapon seen in Dealey Plaza that day. At1 p.m. Dallas police officers were filmed by Ernest Charles Mentesana removing a rifle from the roof of the Depository. Unlike the Oswald rifle, the rifle Mentesana filmed had no sling, no scope, and protruded at least 7-8 inches past the stock, where Oswald's extended only 4-5 inches. [17] In the film two police officers are standing on a fire escape at the seventh floor of the Depository gesturing to the roof. In the next sequence the rifle is being examined.

Fort Worth Star-Telegram reporter Thayer Waldo watched a group of high-ranking Dallas police officers huddle together for a conference just a few minutes after 1 p.m. on the day of the shooting. When he spoke to a secretary who was privy to the officers' conversations, she told Waldo that police officers had found a rifle on the "roof of the School Book Depository." [18]

W. Anthony Marsh believes the rifle shown in the film is very likely a Dallas Police Department Remington 870 shotgun. Marsh notes that the Dallas Police Department used Remington 870 shotguns. One of the officers escorting three men in the railyards after the shooting was carrying a Remington 870 shotgun. [19]

As I stated it's a FEDERAL OFFENCE to impersonate the secret service, this was a crime that wasn't investigated. This happened just a few minutes before JFK was shot as people were told to move by said Secret Service.

The Zapruder film wasn't the only one taken that day, someone else took a film on the opposite side and this film was took by people identifying themselves as FBI. Who was this and were is the film?

Prisoners opposite the book depository spotted someone higher up than where Oswald was on the 6th floor, again not investigated.

DSC00057.JPG

What happened with the 3 tramps arrested behind the grassy knoll? There identities have never been established. Although one is suggested to be Charles Harrelson, who was later convicted of assassinating a district judge.

As for LHO and the guns we'll never know as he was rather conveniently murdered shortly afterwards, the murky world or intelligence is full of double cross and bluff. If you are going down the road he was a CIA agent is it unreasonable to believe he was told to take in a rifle to demonstrate the secret service how easy it was to kill the President?

We'll never know what would have happened in a trial, Oswald himself said he was a patsy.

The truth who knows, as I've said I've read books from both perspectives but from the case closed angle I've not read anything which coherently answers the niggling problems. Don't forget Oswalds rifle which he had just shot the President with had to be straightened as the sights where off. How does one shoot a rifle with wonky sites?

The first story was the 1st shot hit Kennedy, the second hit Connelly and the 3rd hit Kennedy in the head. It wasn't until afterwards someone found a bullet in the road that suddenly the magic bullet theory was created. So the first shot hit Kennedy and Connelly, the 2nd missed and the 3rd hit Kennedy in the head. And don't forget this bullet actually managed to fall out of Connelly and embed itself in the stretcher.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_F._Kennedy_autopsy

The HSCA's major medical-forensic conclusion was that "President Kennedy was Struck by Two Rifle Shots Fired from Behind Him."[17] (The committee found acoustic evidence of a second shooter, but concluded that this shooter did not contribute to the president's wounds, and therefore was irrelevant to the autopsy results).

And don't forget the US has two official versions of what happened, the Warren Commission and the House Select Committee on Assignations. So this murder has two different solutions. But clearly anyone who think Oswald didn't do it is a "nut".

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Seems valid to me. They all share a similar psychological set. Paranoia, the inability to assess sources of information, the delusion that the establishment and the mainstream media are a single monolithic entity, inability to acknowledge facts when they contradict the conspiraloon's theroy, selective application of the laws of physics, quote mining, cherry picking, and the conspiraloon's belief that he is part of a group of really really clever people who are in on the Big Secret that the sheeple just cant understand.....

.... not to mention.......

.....the belief that the absence of evidence is evidence of a cover-up. ;)

Take a proposition universally regarded as loopy (UFOs), invent a category to contain it (conspiracies), then slip a few other items in with it (JFK etc.). Sophistry.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Your link references a book which seems to reference a film taken by Ernest Charles Mentesana*

Unfortunately the Ernest Charles Mentesana film does not show police officers recovering a rifle of any sort from the roof of the TBSD.

Further from your link

W. Anthony Marsh believes the rifle shown in the film is very likely a Dallas Police Department Remington 870 shotgun. Marsh notes that the Dallas Police Department used Remington 870 shotguns. One of the officers escorting three men in the railyards after the shooting was carrying a Remington 870 shotgun.

In other words the long gun seen at the end of the Mentesana film is probably a police issue shotgun. Police with a police issued shotgun? Defo the CIA/Illuminati wotdunnit!

Sorry. No evidence of a second rifle here.

If there is actually some evidence rather than an totally unsupported assertion, I'd like to see it.

As for LHO and the guns we'll never know as he was rather conveniently murdered shortly afterwards, the murky world or intelligence is full of double cross and bluff. If you are going down the road he was a CIA agent is it unreasonable to believe he was told to take in a rifle to demonstrate the secret service how easy it was to kill the President?

You are trying to hand-wave away the rock solid evidence that the only rifle found, the only one from which spent ammunition was recovered contemporarily, that had LHO's prints on it, was indeed LHO's rifle by invoking some other nebulous and nondescript, amorphous conspiracy for which there is no supporting evidence whatsoever.

Sorry the FACTS show it was LHO's rifle. That he bought the rifle under a false name. That he brought it to the 6th floor. That 3 rounds were fired from it. And that he left directly after the assassination. In a big hurry. Without it. And that he later murdered officer Tippit.

Invoking supposed secret service agents and tramps on the grassy knoll does make the FACTS go away.

*The CIA must have missed this one when they were disappearing all the other inconvenient bits of film apart from the Zapruder one, is it? I must say, the CIA must be pretty dumb. Almost as dumb as NASA......

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

From the above link:

The Warren Commission's official conclusion concerning the "Number of Shots" states that all the shots were fired from the sixth-floor window at the southeast corner of the Texas School Book Depository Building. [58] The Commission stated that a consensus among witnesses at the scene was that three shots were fired, though some heard two shots and others heard four and perhaps as many as five or six shots. [59] It was the Commission's belief that (a) one shot passed through the President's neck and caused all of Governor Connally's wounds, (B) a subsequent shot hit the President's head, © no other shot struck any part of theautomobile, and (d) three shots were fired with one missing, though which one missed is unknown. [60] "Two bullets probably caused all the wounds suffered by President Kennedy and Governor Connally. Since the preponderance of the evidence indicated that three shots were fired, the Commission concluded that one shot probably missed the Presidential limousine and its occupants, and that the three shots were fired in a time period ranging from approximately 4.8 to in excess of seven seconds." [61]

FBI tests for the Warren Commission found that a 6.5 Mannlicher Carcano, bolt-action rifle, Model 91/38 required a minimum of 2.3 seconds to fire two shots. [62] The HSCA made tests in which the telescopic sight was removed to see how fast the rifle could be fired without aiming. Its tests resulted in firings of 1.65, 1.75, and just over two seconds. [63] The only way that the rifle could be fired this quickly was to simply maneuver the bolt action as fast as possible and shoot. The tests were not done with Oswald's Mannlicher Carcano. Whether Oswald's rifle was in a condition where it could be tested is questionable since "the pressure to open the bolt was so great that we tended to move the rifle off the target," according to one of the Warren Commission testers.

..

Several witnesses testified to the sound of echoes [93]during the shooting, and others described all the shots as being evenly spaced. Recent studies have focused on the acoustical patterns of how gunshots and witness testimony coincide in respect to sniper rifles and silencers that were developed by the CIA. [94] However, the numerous descriptions of the last two shots by so many witnesses leaves doubt as to whether Oswald was physically capable of firing both of the shots that so many characterized as being shot almost simultaneously, if not "automatically."

Was Oswald's rifle in a fit state to pull off 3 shots?

Then again was it Oswald's rifle on the 6th floor?

http://jfk007.com/wowzer-a-mauser/

But what about the initial claim that the weapon found in the Depository was a 7.65 Mauser? The man who found the gun, Deputy Eugene Boone, signed a sworn affidavit claiming the weapon in question had been identified as a Mauser. Deputy Sheriff Roger Craig, who was present when the rifle was found, even claims to have seen “7.65 Mauser” written stamped on the murder weapon. Did the Dallas Police really find another rifle in the Texas School Book Depository, or was it simply a matter of mistaken identity? If the Dallas Police did indeed find a Mauser, what happened do it? Did someone else later plant the Carcano to implicate Oswald? Although a Mauser and a Carcano bear a superficial resemblance to each other, the only real connection is that they were both bolt action rifles used against American soldiers during World War II.

..

But Roger Craig never changed his story. Some people insist he was a liar, others claim he was an American hero. Either way, he went to his grave insisting that the gun found that day on the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository was unquestionably a 7.65 German Mauser. And the sad series of occurrences which led Mr. Craig to that grave is perhaps one of the most heartbreaking footnotes to the Kennedy Assassination tragedy. Craig’s refusal to change his story about the Mauser, like all the other officers had done, caused him to be ostracized by his peers. He was fired from the Dallas Police Department in 1967, apparently for discussing sensitive information with a journalist. Roger Craig never found steady work again, he lost his wife, and then began suffering a series of bizarre accidents which left him severely injured. He was shot at, driven off the side of the road, and at one point his car engine mysteriously exploded. The injuries induced by these incidents left Mr. Craig in almost constant physical pain. In 1975, Roger Craig took his own life.

As I said about police revisions, all the police officers identified a different rifle to the one owned LHO. Could just be a slight feck up on the day maybe one thought it said Mauser on the gun, perhaps he misread .

I felt sure there was a better picture I think in the Jim Marrs book about the "2nd" rifle, but unable to find something online better than this grainy image.

http://www.chilling-tales.com/page52.html

othergun.jpg

Anyway still no response as to why the US has two official versions of what happened?

Then of course there's this very helpful incriminating photo perhaps Oswald forgot about it being taken?

zj8lyq.jpg

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Not sure where I've seen a better picture of the "2nd" rifle.

However just had a quick flick through Marrs book and in 58 Oswald contracted gonorrhoea in the Marines "in the of duty" what could you being doing in the Marines where you contract gonorrhoea in the line of duty?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

He didn't defect. He was Joe Nobody, didn't fit in anywhere. Went to live in Russia and when he found he wasn't the centre of attention he came back to the US hoping to be greeted by reporters at the airport and achieve fame. He was crushed when nobody took any notice.

He finally got the fame he wanted by shooting the president.

And then deny that he did it?

One thing this JFK business helped teach me, long before the Internet, is that you can endlessly question even the most legitimate of narratives and that you can rationalise even the most illegitimate narratives.

The official JFK narrative looks dodgy to me. On the other hand, after fifty years of picking it to pieces none of the multitude of critical researchers seem to have come up with a fatal flaw in that official narrative. There are elements which appear unlikely imho but not proven impossible.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

And then deny that he did it?

One thing this JFK business helped teach me, long before the Internet, is that you can endlessly question even the most legitimate of narratives and that you can rationalise even the most illegitimate narratives.

The official JFK narrative looks dodgy to me. On the other hand, after fifty years of picking it to pieces none of the multitude of critical researchers seem to have come up with a fatal flaw in that official narrative. There are elements which appear unlikely imho but not proven impossible.

Fame's no good when you're dead. I think he did it.

There may well have been incompetence, blind-eyes turned, bad misjudgements in the US security services that let this (and 9/11) happen but this does not mean that there was a conspiracy to make it happen.

When you read about Aldridge Aimes carrying huge bags of top-secret documents out of his offices to give them to the Russians for years without detection you lose faith in the fictional portrayal of the security services and begin to suspect that they are no more all-seeing and all-powerful than the local council's parking department. Somewhat less so probably.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

As I said about police revisions, all the police officers identified a different rifle to the one owned LHO. Could just be a slight feck up on the day maybe one thought it said Mauser on the gun, perhaps he misread .

The subject of the alleged Mauser comes up (starts c. 31mins 30secs in) in this nicely retro, and well spoken, discussion featuring Mark Lane back in 1966...

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Nobody ever asks who really killed Martin Luther King. And were the assassinations in any way linked? And that of Robert F Kennedy.

http://en.wikipedia....uther_King,_Jr.

Aside from William Pepper, who brought the civil case mentioned in the above link to trial. Apparently, he's working for Sirhan Sirhan now.

Confusingly, the subject of the civil case, a man who confessed to arranging MLK's assassination, may have been fibbing...

The Memphis county prosecutor said on several occasions that Mr. Jowers' claims were without merit and that his motivation was to sell his story for a book or a movie. Both sisters that worked at Jowers' restaurant recanted their support for the case. Their conversation in which the main witness for Jowers admitted that the story was false was taped by the authorities. The sister admitted that Jowers had fabricated the story so he could make $300,000 from selling the story, and she in turn corroborated his story in order to get some money to pay her income tax.

which reminds me of E Howard Hunt, who allegedly confessed to being involved in the JFK assassination. He was an ideal suspect and has been identified as one of the three tramps arrested on the day. More potential fibbing unfortunately...

After Hunt's death, Howard St. John Hunt and David Hunt stated that their father had recorded several claims about himself and others being involved in a conspiracy to assassinate President John F. Kennedy.[3][56] Notes and audio recordings were made. In the April 5, 2007 issue of Rolling Stone, Howard St. John Hunt detailed a number of individuals purported to be implicated by his father including Lyndon B. Johnson, Cord Meyer, David Phillips, Frank Sturgis, David Morales, William Harvey, and Lucien Sarti.[3][57] The two sons alleged that their father cut the information from his memoirs to avoid possible perjury charges.[56] According to Hunt's widow and other children, the two sons took advantage of Hunt's loss of lucidity by coaching and exploiting him for financial gain.[56] The Los Angeles Times said they examined the materials offered by the sons to support the story and found them to be "inconclusive".[56] However, the sons do have audio tape of their father's confession, which has been widely circulated on the internet.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

We know

LHO was on the 6th floor of the TBSD that day

That he took a package into work and lied about it being curtain rods

LHO carried no such package back to 1026 N. Beckley Avenue

LHO had a fake ID in the name of AJ Hidell.

The order for the rifle was in the name of AJ Hidell and in LHO's handwriting

LHO attempts and fails to assasinate Edwin Walker days after purchasing the rifle

The rifle found on the 6th floor of TBSD was the Mannlicher-Carcano that belonged to LHO

His palm print was on the rifle

His prints were on boxes within the snipers nest

He was unable to provide any alibi for the time of the assassination

No other rifle was found

No spent ammunition was found in the vicinity of Dealy Plaza other than that coming from the Mannlicher-Carcano which belonged to LHO.

LHO owned the handgun that killed Officer Tippit

Multiple witnesses confirm that LHO shot Tippit

Any Barrister would be barking mad to advise their client to plead not guilty with that body of evidence against them.

come on.

the question is whether Oswald acted alone or was part of a larger conspiracy, possibly as a "patsy".

and (as in the case of 9/11) given the implications of the assassination, and the number of VIs involved, it's hardly outlandish to posit a consipracy right off the bat.

none of your above list excludes the possibility of Oswald's being used in this way.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2484015/Lee-Harvey-Oswalds-widow-Marina-convinced-husband-did-NOT-kill-JFK.html

Oswald a "Soviet" defector??? That's a new twist, I thought he was a US defector who fled to USSR and then decided to come back, apparently not according to the Wail.

Interesting that she's speaking now and she's correct about her phone being bugged but then again so is everyone elses.

She's read 40,000 books on jfk's assassination in 50 years?!? That's nearly 3 every day! No wonder she's not been seen out in public.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The official JFK narrative looks dodgy to me. On the other hand, after fifty years of picking it to pieces none of the multitude of critical researchers seem to have come up with a fatal flaw in that official narrative. There are elements which appear unlikely imho but not proven impossible.

It's a great paradox, all the narratives have holes in them ensuring the truth is unlikely ever to come out now. I think it's fair to say the entire investigation is a feck up. Ironically no one has found the "magic bullet" to solve the puzzle.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Aside from William Pepper, who brought the civil case mentioned in the above link to trial. Apparently, he's working for Sirhan Sirhan now.

Confusingly, the subject of the civil case, a man who confessed to arranging MLK's assassination, may have been fibbing...

which reminds me of E Howard Hunt, who allegedly confessed to being involved in the JFK assassination. He was an ideal suspect and has been identified as one of the three tramps arrested on the day. More potential fibbing unfortunately...

So says the county prosecutor, whose office I presume prosecuted James Earl Ray originally. Maybe it's a conspiracy theory, but it sounds like sour grapes to me.

In December, Mr. Jowers and ''unknown conspirators'' were found liable in a wrongful-death lawsuit brought by Dr. King's family. The jury awarded $100 to the Kings, who had asked for only token damages. Mr. Jowers was sick for much of the trial and did not testify.

The Shelby County prosecutor, John Campbell, who has investigated the assassination, has said Mr. Jowers's claims were without merit. Mr. Campbell has quoted several of Mr. Jowers's associates as saying he hoped to get a movie or book deal.

http://www.nytimes.com/2000/05/23/us/loyd-jowers-73-who-claimed-a-role-in-the-killing-of-dr-king.html

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Guest eight

It wasn't a Cape Verdian immigrant with a criminal past and an axe to grind against his former employers then?

Sorry, wrong conspiracy theory thread.....

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

  • The Prime Minister stated that there were three Brexit options available to the UK:   206 members have voted

    1. 1. Which of the Prime Minister's options would you choose?


      • Leave with the negotiated deal
      • Remain
      • Leave with no deal

    Please sign in or register to vote in this poll. View topic


×

Important Information

We have placed cookies on your device to help make this website better. You can adjust your cookie settings, otherwise we'll assume you're okay to continue.