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Ipad Air - 2 Questions

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Looks and feels great, but I have 2 questions:

1. Why didn't Apple bring this out a couple of years ago?

2. Why didn't Samsung/LG/Google bring out an ultra light tablet before Apple?

Very bizarre and the only reason that I can think of is LAZINESS!

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client of mine bought 3 Asus Ultra thin netbooks...they are OK on a desk but they all find that after a short time of use the thinness makes using it difficult, nowhere to rest the hands, and if they hold it, the edges cut in.

The same reasons they dont make ultra thin keyboards for proper use, thin PCs are bad for the health.

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The new flexible screens that have only just become available would be well suited to ultra thin devices. You can get flexible PCBs as well, but the weak point is always going to be the mounting of the IC's. Multi pin BGA IC's and flexi boards don't make good bedfellows. Eventually I reckon someone will do a tablet that has the whole electronics and screen integrated in a thin flexible sheet, but that's a while off yet. Tellys will probably get this treatment first.

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Because ultra thin is a stupid idea, making the device physically weaker so components get more bending stresses and it breaks down sooner?

It's not really a stupid idea. It's more the fact that the technology to do it is still marginal.

It's often only by pushing the boundaries of whats possible with technology that it moves forward.

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It's not really a stupid idea. It's more the fact that the technology to do it is still marginal.

It's often only by pushing the boundaries of whats possible with technology that it moves forward.

In other words, form over function.

And who needs a flexible monitor/PC.....?

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It's not really a stupid idea. It's more the fact that the technology to do it is still marginal.

It's often only by pushing the boundaries of whats possible with technology that it moves forward.

Actually, you make a good point. It is not stupid developing the technology but it is stupid being someone who parts with £400 to £700 of their own cash in order to be a test dummy for the new technologies.

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Actually, you make a good point. It is not stupid developing the technology but it is stupid being someone who parts with £400 to £700 of their own cash in order to be a test dummy for the new technologies.

Branding...one of its aims is to make an illogical purchase entirely logical, specially amongst the weak and sheeple like....

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In other words, form over function.

And who needs a flexible monitor/PC.....?

I think there are a few specialist applications that would benefit from the ability to have flexible displays. But probably it is less beneficial for general use for displays to be flexed while in use. You can think of some, like electronic posters, where you may want a large sheet that is thin, transports well and fits to a curved surface wall. Your chance of getting say a 2mx4m sheet with little compliance through the London Underground and mounted on a wall would be pretty low.

Where it is more beneficial in general use is in making the displays more rugged. If they have the possibility to be flexed then they can be made thinner without the risk that minor flexing will lead to catastrophic failure (such as in the case of a tablet).

The problem with most flexible displays is they are sold on the ability to flex, as opposed on their abiliity to be much more rugged, which is essential if you are making large quantities of very large panels for things like poster applications.

My guess is that the cracked screen on the tablet, mobile phone and even notebook/pc is quite a common failure. Flexible screens are one step towards eliminating that.

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I think there are a few specialist applications that would benefit from the ability to have flexible displays. But probably it is less beneficial for general use for displays to be flexed while in use. You can think of some, like electronic posters, where you may want a large sheet that is thin, transports well and fits to a curved surface wall. Your chance of getting say a 2mx4m sheet with little compliance through the London Underground and mounted on a wall would be pretty low.

Where it is more beneficial in general use is in making the displays more rugged. If they have the possibility to be flexed then they can be made thinner without the risk that minor flexing will lead to catastrophic failure (such as in the case of a tablet).

The problem with most flexible displays is they are sold on the ability to flex, as opposed on their abiliity to be much more rugged, which is essential if you are making large quantities of very large panels for things like poster applications.

My guess is that the cracked screen on the tablet, mobile phone and even notebook/pc is quite a common failure. Flexible screens are one step towards eliminating that.

I suspect that the ultimate aim is something akin to what you see on Sci Fi shows - some kind of metallic or plastic tube from which you can unroll a truly flexible screen, do your stuff and then roll it back up.

But that is many years away yet.

Super thin devices worry me about how easy they are too break. I think you have to stick them into a nice safe cover ASAP and then what is the point of paying extra for the device being super thin.

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Looks and feels great, but I have 2 questions:

1. Why didn't Apple bring this out a couple of years ago?

2. Why didn't Samsung/LG/Google bring out an ultra light tablet before Apple?

Very bizarre and the only reason that I can think of is LAZINESS!

Presumably the same reason they still sell the iPad 2 not the 3rd or 4th generation devices. Because they can and people still lap it up. Why re-invent the wheel every 12 months even if you can when the public will accept incremental improvement?

Parallels to Bubka and his 1cm world record increments?

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Looks and feels great, but I have 2 questions:

1. Why didn't Apple bring this out a couple of years ago?

2. Why didn't Samsung/LG/Google bring out an ultra light tablet before Apple?

Very bizarre and the only reason that I can think of is LAZINESS!

THEY DID

the sony xperia Z high end tablet is thinner than the iPad air, and waterproof, and came out 8 months ago

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I suspect that the ultimate aim is something akin to what you see on Sci Fi shows - some kind of metallic or plastic tube from which you can unroll a truly flexible screen, do your stuff and then roll it back up.

But that is many years away yet.

Super thin devices worry me about how easy they are too break. I think you have to stick them into a nice safe cover ASAP and then what is the point of paying extra for the device being super thin.

I agree at the moment they are quite fragile. I dare say in a few weeks we will see from the Daily Rage what the latest progress is or isn't.

I don't think super thin is completely about fashion, although it is a big component. Ask anyone who's spent their life hauling notebooks through airports and been moaned at by check in staff because of ever decreasing baggage allowances.

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Presumably the same reason they still sell the iPad 2 not the 3rd or 4th generation devices. Because they can and people still lap it up. Why re-invent the wheel every 12 months even if you can when the public will accept incremental improvement?

Parallels to Bubka and his 1cm world record increments?

Absolutely this.

If it's no thinner than the Macbook Air's screen, it'll probably be OK though. Mine survived a drop onto a concrete stair from waist height once (I do consider myself extremely lucky though).

I ain't trading up for a new iPad though. Lighter and faster isn't a compelling enough reason for upgrading a casual browsing device. I think Apple are beginning to realise this product type is basically mature now and hence looking at bundling more free software.

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The only problem with the iPad is that you naturally want to hold it like a book but it's just a little too weighty to be used that way without fatigue. So if the Air's solved this then great.

I still can't justify it though and while there are some cool apps that are actually nicer to use via the touch interface (such as Garageband), a MacBook's just such a fuller experience.

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Because ultra thin is a stupid idea, making the device physically weaker so components get more bending stresses and it breaks down sooner?

i did say ultra light not ultra thin..

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We'll find out soon enough re the iPad air's robustness, as they seem to be selling out very very fast, lots of fanboys showing of their new shiny that I have seen

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Looks and feels great, but I have 2 questions:

1. Why didn't Apple bring this out a couple of years ago?

2. Why didn't Samsung/LG/Google bring out an ultra light tablet before Apple?

Very bizarre and the only reason that I can think of is LAZINESS!

They could have in theory, although developments in screen technology has come on in leaps and bounds since the first tablets but they generally want you to keep on buying. Basically these tech companies could do a lot now in one tablet but then you wouldn't go out and buy a new tablet in 12 months.

So they bring out a tablet with a so so camera but then hint that the next version will have a better camera. Or they bring out a tablet with no HDMI slot and, as soon as you buy it, they start leaking news that the next version will have an HDMI slot. Ditto USB ports, ditto this, that and the other.

As far as I can see with a sizeable percentage of Apple fans is that having an Apple product is not good enough - you MUST have the latest versions or be seen as some kind of loser.

I am watching with interest just how durable the lastest ipads are. I have my doubts about the Nexus 7 and the Air ipads might be similar. Time will tell.

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I notice Apple brough out the mini ipad Air unexpectedly this week - I wonder why?

Is it possible that sales of the bigger Air ipad are not so good and they already fear having a bad final quarter so have rushed forward the mini release?

Perhaps the cheaper tablets are winning more people over than many of us realised.

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As far as I can see with a sizeable percentage of Apple fans is that having an Apple product is not good enough - you MUST have the latest versions or be seen as some kind of loser.

As witnessed by lacklustre sales of iPad mini and the plastic coloured iPhone 5c, both sub premium options

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I notice Apple brough out the mini ipad Air unexpectedly this week - I wonder why?

Is it possible that sales of the bigger Air ipad are not so good and they already fear having a bad final quarter so have rushed forward the mini release?

Perhaps the cheaper tablets are winning more people over than many of us realised.

Perhaps, but not what I've seen

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As witnessed by lacklustre sales of iPad mini and the plastic coloured iPhone 5c, both sub premium options

I have no idea what sales of either are like but I did think that the original mini had sold well - had it not?

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I have no idea what sales of either are like but I did think that the original mini had sold well - had it not?

I thought not in the same league as the bigger iPads

I'll check

Edit. Correction they have done very well, I'm wrong

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