Another ''paedo'' Witch Hunt That Ends In Tears

[crashmonitor]

Seems like the police were involved too.....arresting the man for taking pictures of kids vandalising his garden.

Got to be very careful if you are a paediatrician or a bloke trying to defend his property in an era where chav scum want a good witch hunt on the slightest pretext.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2478285/Innocent-man-burned-death-vigilante-neighbours-mistook-paedophile.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

[Nuggets Mahoney]

I know this is a little irrelevant and OCD, but where is his garden?

Not so much OCD as a natural reaction to the subliminal prompting from all those pictures taken around the property. There's one photo of not much more than bare, slightly browned grass and an irrelevant caption that practically begs that response.

The victim had hanging baskets, not a garden.

[MrPin]

Not so much OCD as a natural reaction to the subliminal prompting from all those pictures taken around the property. There's one photo of not much more than bare, slightly browned grass and an irrelevant caption that practically begs that response.

The victim had hanging baskets, not a garden.

I can't wait for Halloween, where I shall answer the door in my underpants, covered in lard!

[Nuggets Mahoney]

I can't wait for Halloween, where I shall answer the door in my underpants, covered in lard!

When I was about 17 or so a class mate got caught answering his front door like that; dressing gown, covered in vegetable oil from neck to ankles underneath, the usual story. He spent his last two years in school being called Mazola. I think it's probably worse when the teachers join in as well.

[Si1]

When I was about 17 or so a class mate got caught answering his front door like that; dressing gown, covered in vegetable oil from neck to ankles underneath, the usual story. He spent his last two years in school being called Mazola. I think it's probably worse when the teachers join in as well.

Actually, why would someone dress like that, is there a sane medical reason?

[crashmonitor]

I can't wait for Halloween, where I shall answer the door in my underpants, covered in lard!

Mr..Jelly's guide on how to handle unwanted trick or treaters

[corevalue]

Why the thread drift? This is too serious to joke about.

It's a consequence of the media whipping up paedo-hysteria, and that evil barsteward Phoney Blur passing laws that allowed the police to arrest without evidence, and it seems, not having to tell the the baying mob when they find the arrested person totally innocent.

[crashmonitor]

Why the thread drift? This is too serious to joke about.

It's a consequence of the media whipping up paedo-hysteria, and that evil barsteward Phoney Blur passing laws that allowed the police to arrest without evidence, and it seems, not having to tell the the baying mob when they find the arrested person totally innocent.

Sorry cv, I totally agree. I'd started this topic because I find this trial by mob particularly disturbing, akin to medieval witch hunts. Also the police's part in all this.

edit. the Independent think it is sufficiently important to take up all of the front page and page 3 today.....

story...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/a-modern-british-murder-vigilante-neighbours-face-jail-after-convictions-over-murder-of-disabled-man-bijan-ebrahimi-wrongly-accused-of-paedophilia-8909228.html

front page......

http://www.thepaperboy.com/uk/the-independent/front-pages-today.cfm?frontpage=32431

[SHERWICK]

I notice that the police are under investigation too. I wonder what part they had to play in his death..?

[corevalue]

I notice that the police are under investigation too. I wonder what part they had to play in his death..?

They arrested him without regard to the evidence, which is now the norm after Tony Blairs fiddling with the law. Once arrested for being a nonce, you try convincing the average Sky viewer of your innocence. What they should have done is interviewed him, taken note of what he said and gone after the yobs who were wrecking his property.

This is exactly why accused should remain anonymous until after a trial, and people should only be convicted on sound evidence, not the tittle-tattle of gossiping neighbours.

[Nuggets Mahoney]

Why the thread drift? This is too serious to joke about.

It's a consequence of the media whipping up paedo-hysteria, and that evil barsteward Phoney Blur passing laws that allowed the police to arrest without evidence, and it seems, not having to tell the the baying mob when they find the arrested person totally innocent.

Apologies. OT threads do tend to correct themselves in that regard though.

I don't think mentioning the choice of accompanying photos for the article is entirely a case of drifting though.

One of the first thoughts that came to my mind reading it was that casual readers were going to pick up on the apparent absence of a garden. That thought was confirmed on this thread.

[Bloo Loo]

Seems like the police were involved too.....arresting the man for taking pictures of kids vandalising his garden.

Got to be very careful if you are a paediatrician or a bloke trying to defend his property in an era where chav scum want a good witch hunt on the slightest pretext.

http://www.dailymail...s_campaign=1490

And the photos?...do they show criminal damage in progress.

What better way to deflect your kids wrongdoings than to accuse the accuser of much worse wrongdoing.

A victim of the current "the victims must be believed" nonsense...course, the Local Authority camera operators had better watch out..

[interestrateripoff]

They arrested him without regard to the evidence, which is now the norm after Tony Blairs fiddling with the law. Once arrested for being a nonce, you try convincing the average Sky viewer of your innocence. What they should have done is interviewed him, taken note of what he said and gone after the yobs who were wrecking his property.

This is exactly why accused should remain anonymous until after a trial, and people should only be convicted on sound evidence, not the tittle-tattle of gossiping neighbours.

I have to say the one thing I hope I'm never arrested for is being a "suspect" paedo. You are totally "fecked".

[SarahBell]

It seems the answer would be to ring the police to report people vandalising your property and tell them you are going to start taking photos of the little hoodlums.

There are some nasty little gits out there who are the spawn of nasty bigger gits.

[MrPin]

Mr..Jelly's guide on how to handle unwanted trick or treaters

Actually one of my mates thinks that character is based on me! Keeps Kids Quiet, eh?

[gilf]

Why the thread drift? This is too serious to joke about.

It's a consequence of the media whipping up paedo-hysteria, and that evil barsteward Phoney Blur passing laws that allowed the police to arrest without evidence, and it seems, not having to tell the the baying mob when they find the arrested person totally innocent.

The ironic consequence of which of course is that kids are even less safe than before. Even with it being only a tiny chance that your kids will be whisked off the street, it's now more likely (although again I say vanishingly small) given than many adult males would leave a child alone crying in the street than attempt to rectify the situation and be accused of being a paedo.

[ChumpusRex]

I have to say the one thing I hope I'm never arrested for is being a "suspect" paedo. You are totally "fecked".

Even if you're not arrested, just being questioned over being a suspected paedo can go on a permanent record and a CRB check (the employer copy, not your copy).

So, if you do a job where you need a CRB check, and you routinely reapply for an updated CRB check, and then a couple of weeks later you are summoned to HR saying that you have failed your 2-yearly CRB check and are being summarily dismissed; but that the reason for dismissal is confidential and you are not permitted to know what it is.

If you take it to an industrial tribunal for unfair dismissal, then you are not allowed to attend. All you are told is that the panel were told the evidence against you, and that it was compelling.

This really does happen, and if it happens to you, you are totally stuffed, as the system is designed so that it basically impossible for you to defend yourself from it.

[Rave]

What I don't get is how the bloke who went and got the white spirit so that his mate could set the poor sod on fire only copped for 'assisting an offender'? I mean, what did he think he was going to do with it, clean up his wounds?! As well as the coppers, whoever in the CPS agreed to that should be suspended and investigated. These three herberts all got life sentences despite only one of them pulling the trigger.

You've got to marvel at the unbelievable stupidity of the murderer as well, who apparently thought the best thing he could do for his kids was to beat a bloke unconscious and then set him on fire in the street, a crime for which he's guaranteed to get a life sentence. Perhaps he thought that nobody would notice? Or perhaps he was under the impression that he'll get day release to go and sort out any other nonces who are threatening them?

Even if you're not arrested, just being questioned over being a suspected paedo can go on a permanent record and a CRB check (the employer copy, not your copy).

So, if you do a job where you need a CRB check, and you routinely reapply for an updated CRB check, and then a couple of weeks later you are summoned to HR saying that you have failed your 2-yearly CRB check and are being summarily dismissed; but that the reason for dismissal is confidential and you are not permitted to know what it is.

If you take it to an industrial tribunal for unfair dismissal, then you are not allowed to attend. All you are told is that the panel were told the evidence against you, and that it was compelling.

This really does happen, and if it happens to you, you are totally stuffed, as the system is designed so that it basically impossible for you to defend yourself from it.

Got a link? Do the ECHR know about this?

[interestrateripoff]

Even if you're not arrested, just being questioned over being a suspected paedo can go on a permanent record and a CRB check (the employer copy, not your copy).

So, if you do a job where you need a CRB check, and you routinely reapply for an updated CRB check, and then a couple of weeks later you are summoned to HR saying that you have failed your 2-yearly CRB check and are being summarily dismissed; but that the reason for dismissal is confidential and you are not permitted to know what it is.

If you take it to an industrial tribunal for unfair dismissal, then you are not allowed to attend. All you are told is that the panel were told the evidence against you, and that it was compelling.

This really does happen, and if it happens to you, you are totally stuffed, as the system is designed so that it basically impossible for you to defend yourself from it.

Jesus that's scary.

[Turned Out Nice Again]

Wow, that's terrible, have you ever read Kafka's 'The Trial'?

not the half of it!

if they really don't like you, plod might also elect to confiscate all your computers and go on a fishing expedition in your data caches, whereupon even if they don't find any kiddie stuff, they will most likely turn up some "extreme porn" which can be as innocuous as spanking videos, consensual ânal, or maybe a dogsex image that popped-up which you were on an xxx site.

[interestrateripoff]

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/the-murder-of-bijan-ebrahimi-demonising-child-abusers-means-inevitable-violence-8911715.html

As yesterday’s report in the Independent indicated, the killing of Bijan Ebrahimi was not just an ordinary homicide. His vigilante neighbours who murdered him had no doubt that it was OK to destroy the life of a paedophile. Beaten up after he took pictures of the youth who vandalised his flowers, Ebrahimi complained to the police last July. When a crowd taunted him with shouts of “paedo, paedo”, he was the one arrested, not those who insulted him. Wrongly detained, he was brutally murdered two days after his release. In an act of quasi-ritual slaughter, this victim of Britain’s fascination with the menace of paedophilia was burnt to death.

Reading between the lines it is difficult to avoid the conclusion that far too many believe that the main problem with this tragic episode was that Ebrahimi was actually “innocent” and had not taken any indecent pictures of anyone. Questions are now asked about who is to blame for the lynching of this man. Some will point the finger at those who were responsible for circulating a “baseless” rumour. Others have condemned the residents of his community for unhesitatingly assuming the worst about their neighbour. The police face serious questions for ignoring Ebrahimi’s plea for help and for arresting him while a crowd was hurling insults and vilifying him as a paedophile.

..

In effect the principal outcome of the advocacy of stranger danger is the normalisation of paedophilia. Once the stranger becomes a legitimate target of suspicion can the lynch mob be far behind?

Just staggering, will this trick get anyone arrested?

[crashmonitor]

not the half of it!

if they really don't like you, plod might also elect to confiscate all your computers and go on a fishing expedition in your data caches, whereupon even if they don't find any kiddie stuff, they will most likely turn up some "extreme porn" which can be as innocuous as spanking videos, consensual ânal, or maybe a dogsex image that popped-up which you were on an xxx site.

Indeed if you dig deep enough it is easy to find something incriminating. I don't expect a bit of collateral damage like Ebrahimi will unduly worry Society in its efforts to hunt down the paedos.

http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.legendsofamerica.com/photos-massachusetts/Examination-close.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.legendsofamerica.com/ma-salemcourt.html&h=495&w=500&sz=212&tbnid=4X1-JMk8kV7GOM:&tbnh=149&tbnw=151&zoom=1&usg=__A3lJs8vPFvltUDqTWzDgmf6Z7bA=&docid=ghssGN4OcT0AMM&sa=X&ei=jhNxUqH5DurR0QWiqYCgAw&ved=0CEYQ9QEwCQ

[Frank Hovis]

Local councillor (?ex-councillor) all over the front pages of the local press, with pictures, for historic offences trial now going on. I won't link as I don't wish to publicise it any further.

His life has been destroyed whether he did anything or not (I would not have a clue and nor would the press). The law in this area is ridiculous, there should be total anonymity for the accused in these cases because of the effect upon them even if subsequently found to be innocent.

[Frank Hovis]

not the half of it!

if they really don't like you, plod might also elect to confiscate all your computers and go on a fishing expedition in your data caches, whereupon even if they don't find any kiddie stuff, they will most likely turn up some "extreme porn" which can be as innocuous as spanking videos, consensual ânal, or maybe a dogsex image that popped-up which you were on an xxx site.

Yes, press story yesterday about the number of porn / gambling sites blocked at work. 99% of which will be pop-ups, adverts and blind links.

[Hail the Tripod]

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/the-murder-of-bijan-ebrahimi-demonising-child-abusers-means-inevitable-violence-8911715.html

I had no idea there was such a thing as: "moral and cultural entrepreneurs".