Si1 Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 (edited) Bit of a stretch to go from "pay for services you use" to ungoverned war zone IMO. If you want the library you pay at the door, if you don`t pay to have the bins collected the bin man has an app on his phone that tells him and the bin sits there, if it sits long enough or regularly enough you face criminal prosecution for health and safety breach etc etc, can`t be any worse than what we have now? Of course collection fees for bins etc would have to be REASONABLE and ACCURATE, it would be pennies per household. The council tax is just a scam to get money in the pot for big vanity projects and then payoffs for the managers when they retire. I wonder if the IT exists for this already. Your bin has a proximity device on it (like with prisoner tagging say) When its full you simply click am internet link which informs the central system that your bin needs collecting and leave it out. Private rubbish collection companies can empty your bin and claim a fee electronically for doing it. They can log on to the database in real time and simply drives around picking up bins, don't even need a schedule, and can compete with each other on the streets on the day. Give out a limited number of licenses to do this to prevent saturation. You could even pay am increased fee to bid for more urgent collection for whatever reason, either adhoc or regularly Edited November 10, 2013 by Si1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dances with sheeple Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 I wonder if the IT exists for this already. Your bin has a proximity device on it (like with prisoner tagging say) When its full you simply click am internet link which informs the central system that your bin needs collecting and leave it out. Private rubbish collection companies can empty your bin and claim a fee electronically for doing it. They can log on to the database in real time and simply drives around picking up bins, don't even need a schedule, and can compete with each other on the streets on the day. Give out a limited number of licenses to do this to prevent saturation. You could even pay am increased fee to bid for more urgent collection for whatever reason, either adhoc or regularly Exactly, same way as you can choose delivery companies/rates for parcels etc. So the less you need the service (single person pays far less for bins/re-cycling than family of five for example) the less you have to pay. Of course councils would cease to exist at this point, and they will cling on as long as the sheeple continue to accept being gouged at every turn for taxes and payments of some kind, with threats and intimidation if they don`t comply. Councils are just part of the UK mind set, like Landowners and Landlords. Come on Sheeple, rise up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si1 Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 Exactly, same way as you can choose delivery companies/rates for parcels etc. So the less you need the service (single person pays far less for bins/re-cycling than family of five for example) the less you have to pay. Of course councils would cease to exist at this point, and they will cling on as long as the sheeple continue to accept being gouged at every turn for taxes and payments of some kind, with threats and intimidation if they don`t comply. Councils are just part of the UK mind set, like Landowners and Landlords. Come on Sheeple, rise up! You will always need govt IMHO, just a lot less of it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dances with sheeple Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 You will always need govt IMHO, just a lot less of it Yes, much less, but until the sheeple demand it, it will never happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurt Barlow Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 Bit of a stretch to go from "pay for services you use" to ungoverned war zone IMO. If you want the library you pay at the door, if you don`t pay to have the bins collected the bin man has an app on his phone that tells him and the bin sits there, if it sits long enough or regularly enough you face criminal prosecution for health and safety breach etc etc, can`t be any worse than what we have now? Of course collection fees for bins etc would have to be REASONABLE and ACCURATE, it would be pennies per household. The council tax is just a scam to get money in the pot for big vanity projects and then payoffs for the managers when they retire. Education and Social Services take about 70% of Council tax - does this constiute a scam / vanity project There are a large range of council tax funded services that really don't fall into the pay as you go category as it just isn't fesible to charge in that way; Police Fire Service Numerous regulatory services Street cleaning Road maintenance Electoral registration etc etc etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurt Barlow Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 Straw man 4 (I think) out of those 5 have conservative governments What the feck has that got to do with it? Ok - France, Spain, Norway, Austria, Poland......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Hovis Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 Education and Social Services take about 70% of Council tax - does this constiute a scam / vanity project There are a large range of council tax funded services that really don't fall into the pay as you go category as it just isn't fesible to charge in that way; Police Fire Service Numerous regulatory services Street cleaning Road maintenance Electoral registration etc etc etc I don't understand why funding for police / fire service happens locally, I don't see any benefits from doing that, centralise it. Schools and social services - yes I can see the link up with a lot of related stuff that the council deal with so fair enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurt Barlow Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 I don't understand why funding for police / fire service happens locally, I don't see any benefits from doing that, centralise it. Schools and social services - yes I can see the link up with a lot of related stuff that the council deal with so fair enough. I think the concept is local accountability. Whether it works in practice is another question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dances with sheeple Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 Education and Social Services take about 70% of Council tax - does this constiute a scam / vanity project There are a large range of council tax funded services that really don't fall into the pay as you go category as it just isn't fesible to charge in that way; Police Fire Service Numerous regulatory services Street cleaning Road maintenance Electoral registration etc etc etc In many councils, probably yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurt Barlow Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 In many councils, probably yes. What cracks me up about HPC is that virtually every poster will have enjoyed access to universal state education yet many see great merit in removing that priveilage for the children of today and the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dances with sheeple Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 What cracks me up about HPC is that virtually every poster will have enjoyed access to universal state education yet many see great merit in removing that priveilage for the children of today and the future. Didn`t have council tax when I "enjoyed" that though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si1 Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 What cracks me up about HPC is that virtually every poster will have enjoyed access to universal state education yet many see great merit in removing that priveilage for the children of today and the future. Another straw man? On form today Just because someone objects to bloated local government does not mean they are against universal school provision D- minus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinE Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 My council just pissed away a billion pounds on a loss making tram scheme. Sooner they go bust and back to basics the better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCountOfNowhere Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 My council just pissed away a billion pounds on a loss making tram scheme. Sooner they go bust and back to basics the better. We might be getting paying for a new flag !!! http://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/news/local/northamptonshire-needs-a-flag-1-5671001 "Northamptonshire needs a flag" You could not make this up !!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dances with sheeple Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 My council just pissed away a billion pounds on a loss making tram scheme. Sooner they go bust and back to basics the better. That will be my council as well I think The fact that there were actual arrests made over the running of the statutory repairs scheme tell us a lot about where the money goes I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dances with sheeple Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 Another straw man? On form today Just because someone objects to bloated local government does not mean they are against universal school provision D- minus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si1 Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 We might be getting paying for a new flag !!! http://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/news/local/northamptonshire-needs-a-flag-1-5671001 "Northamptonshire needs a flag" You could not make this up !!!! Excellent Bet there were some good finger snacks scoffed over that deliberation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinE Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 That will be my council as well I think The fact that there were actual arrests made over the running of the statutory repairs scheme tell us a lot about where the money goes I think. Compensation will probably start flowing from that repair scandal in 2014. A legal firm is reaching out to parties impacted to discuss. Expect non disclosure clauses in exchange for cheques. Meanwhile the tenements crumble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si1 Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 We might be getting paying for a new flag !!! http://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/news/local/northamptonshire-needs-a-flag-1-5671001 "Northamptonshire needs a flag" You could not make this up !!!! Before we get political on this one point - Northamptonshire appears to be a Tory county council. All government tends towards waste whoever it is, but small government at least should waste smaller amounts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurt Barlow Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 Didn`t have council tax when I "enjoyed" that though. OK so if Council tax didn't fund your education then it was local authority rates (as Poll Tax only ran from 1989 t0 1993) which amounts to the same thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurt Barlow Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 (edited) Funny isn't it. There are numerous posters on HPC who know exactly where the CEO's of many of the UK's top companies are going wrong and know exactly how to put things right. Most of these same posters can't afford a 3 Bed Semi in the West Midlands Edited November 12, 2013 by Kurt Barlow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goat Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 Funny isn't it. There are numerous posters on HPC who know exactly where the CEO's of many of the UK's top companies are going wrong and know exactly how to put things right. Most of these same posters can't afford a 3 Bed Semi in the West Midlands You got a bulk delivery of straw in today by any chance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurt Barlow Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 Another straw man? On form today Just because someone objects to bloated local government does not mean they are against universal school provision D- minus Well - Dances with Sheeple was implying LA spending on education is a scam after I pointed out its total take of Council tax collection - he should back such a claim up with evidence. Finding a bit of waste here or there in a large organisation is hardly unprecedented. I have seen plenty of waste in large private organisations I have worked for too. Obviously it needs to be addressed public or private but the way you guys go on you would think its some orchestrated plot! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPin Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 What cracks me up about HPC is that virtually every poster will have enjoyed access to universal state education yet many see great merit in removing that priveilage for the children of today and the future. Not me Kurt! I'm not sure which posters say that? Councils used to give away grants in the olden days! I got one! The higher education "boom" is a bubble, and I don't think some people are getting "value for money", with this loans scheme. as one of my mates put it in "1992". It's a way to get people to borrow for their own dole, and keep off the unemployment figures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurt Barlow Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 Not me Kurt! I'm not sure which posters say that? Councils used to give away grants in the olden days! I got one! The higher education "boom" is a bubble, and I don't think some people are getting "value for money", with this loans scheme. as one of my mates put it in "1992". It's a way to get people to borrow for their own dole, and keep off the unemployment figures. I went to Uni in the transition days from grants to loans before fees. I remember getting £100 a term from the Govt. Mum and Dad made up the rest. BTW - got that job, so maybe seeing you up in the Timor / Arafura if you take up your offer! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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