The Fall Of The United Kingdom

[Traktion]

Worth a watch, IMO.

[honkydonkey]

Summary for those without an hour spare?

Edited October 18, 2013 by honkydonkey

[@contradevian]

Summary for those without an hour spare?

We are fecked basically. You probably already knew that.

Edited October 18, 2013 by aSecureTenant

[azogar]

Summary for those without an hour spare?

yt blurb

The state of the United Kingdom economy including government spending, budget deficits, interest on the debt, unfunded liabilities, public sector worker pensions, retirement savings, educational spending, health care costs, the death pathways, the myth of austerity, taxes, military spending, monetary policy, inflation, standard of living, income distribution, unemployment and mental health.

Sources: http://www.fdrurl.com/uk

While the mainstream media and government officials may paint the picture of economic growth and an impending financial recovery just around the corner, we'll examine the hard numbers and empirical evidence instead of making blind assertions.

With unsustainable yearly deficits, record levels of household debt, double digit cost of living increases, staggering amounts of unfunded liabilities, disastrous monetary policy and a health care system that has been described as being "on the brink of collapse," - hopefully this information will help people brace themselves for the unfortunate reality that...

There will be no economic recovery. Prepare yourself accordingly.

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Edited October 18, 2013 by p.p.

[R K]

we'll examine the hard numbers and empirical evidence instead of making blind assertions.

Followed by blind assertions

With unsustainable yearly deficits, record levels of household debt, double digit cost of living increases, staggering amounts of unfunded liabilities, disastrous monetary policy and a health care system that has been described as being "on the brink of collapse,"

Usual cr4p

[Giraffe]

That guy makes financial Armageddon fun. ..."You have two kidneys. You OWE nineteen kidneys. It is not going to be a good weekend for you.

[Goat]

That guy makes financial Armageddon fun. ..."You have two kidneys. You OWE nineteen kidneys. It is not going to be a good weekend for you.

Sounds like a mission from GTA.

[Oliver Sutton]

Followed by blind assertions

Usual cr4p

[whitevanman]

I've tried listening to Stefan Molyneux, really I have. I'm sure he speaks the truth but he's just so smug and annoying I can't stand him. Are there any non-annoying libertarians about?

[oracle]

That guy makes financial Armageddon fun. ..."You have two kidneys. You OWE nineteen kidneys. It is not going to be a good weekend for you.

what...like this???

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=video&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CEYQtwIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DaclS1pGHp8o&ei=vrZhUsmoJKGS7AbIsIC4Cg&usg=AFQjCNGqWU-9p_viBoJZMHsxKmJgK4eNUg&bvm=bv.54934254,d.ZGU

[Nuggets Mahoney]

I've tried listening to Stefan Molyneux, really I have. I'm sure he speaks the truth but he's just so smug and annoying I can't stand him. Are there any non-annoying libertarians about?

No.

[Nuggets Mahoney]

It could be worse though. Imagine Molyneux wearing a bow tie...

[wonderpup]

He lives in Canada- not one of the enticing state free zones to be found in the third world- funny that- how most of the people who advocate the elimination of the state choose to live in states themselves, rather that relocate to somewhere where no irritating government will be around to impose taxes- or rule of law- on them.

So while they advocate in principal a darwinian model- in practice they opt for a state based lifestyle.

[EUBanana]

He lives in Canada

Because he's Canadian. Duh?

[SNACR]

I've tried listening to Stefan Molyneux, really I have. I'm sure he speaks the truth but he's just so smug and annoying I can't stand him. Are there any non-annoying libertarians about?

I don't mind, it'll make me feel less guilty about eventually taking all their stuff at gunpoint.

[evetsm]

Followed by blind assertions

Usual cr4p

Care telling us why ? Oh, you don't know, but you thought a smart expletive would suffice.......

Usual cr4p.

[Executive Sadman]

We are fecked basically. You probably already knew that.

We're doing well at being fecked though, far better than the competitors. Our debt levels are bigger and better than the rest.

[Roman Roady]

He is very hard work to watch but sadly the numbers speak for themselves...starting with £5.1 Tn in unfunded liabilities.

[wonderpup]

Because he's Canadian. Duh?

So had you been born in Russia in the era of communism you would have been happy to stay if given the choice to leave? Nonsense.

If this guy wanted to leave Canada and go live some place where no state is in control of his life then he could;

In much of Africa and Asia, states lack the capacity to raise taxes or deliver services. The contract between government and governed – imperfect in rich countries – is often altogether absent in poor countries.

Read more at http://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/economic-development-requires-effective-governments-by-angus-deaton#xmlrpZUJIguCy2md.99

So it's not as if he has no choice- he could move to a place where he would be free of state interference- but chooses not to.

So all his posturing about the the evils of the state look just a bit silly given the fact that he freely chooses to live in one- don't you think?

[workhou]

Sure he accurately describes the statistics but his ideas at the end are utter horse s*it. Globalization and the smashing of people power has led to these problems. Neo-liberalism and the privatisation of these markets caused the problems he talks about. More privatisation will make people's lives even more unbearable. Yes, he can go live in Sudan if he wants to experience life in a stateless country.

[Executive Sadman]

So had you been born in Russia in the era of communism you would have been happy to stay if given the choice to leave? Nonsense.

If this guy wanted to leave Canada and go live some place where no state is in control of his life then he could;

Read more at http://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/economic-development-requires-effective-governments-by-angus-deaton#xmlrpZUJIguCy2md.99

So it's not as if he has no choice- he could move to a place where he would be free of state interference- but chooses not to.

So all his posturing about the the evils of the state look just a bit silly given the fact that he freely chooses to live in one- don't you think?

Im not really sure what Molyneux is. He terms himself a 'voluntarist', not a minarchist libertarian (of which I was subscribe myself to) and has suggested anarchist views.

Simutaneously he re-iterates commitment to non-aggression and property rights.

I guess some african states are anarchist states, some totalitarian islamic theocracies, none are minarchist free market states with a legal structure and true enforcement of property rights however.

Whether america had a libertarian golden age is debatable. Was land signed over from natives with mutual agreement? Under duress? How can land be signed over when the natives dont practice property rights as europeans did? Aside from how it was created, by capitalism or by barbarism, Was the 'golden age' really golden? Were the robber barons legitimate actors or bandits?

[Nuggets Mahoney]

Sure he accurately describes the statistics but his ideas at the end are utter horse s*it. Globalization and the smashing of people power has led to these problems. Neo-liberalism and the privatisation of these markets caused the problems he talks about. More privatisation will make people's lives even more unbearable. Yes, he can go live in Sudan if he wants to experience life in a stateless country.

Libertarian analyses often raise valid issues imho, same as Marxist structural analyses. The problem, as with Marxism, is that being able to identify a problem doesn't mean that your proposed solutions to that problem are going to work out any better.

Personally, I doubt that replacing states, with their tendency to be corrupted and 'captured', with corporations, which are inherently psychopathic, would lead to much of an improvement in most folks' lot.

[MarkG]

Personally, I doubt that replacing states, with their tendency to be corrupted and 'captured', with corporations, which are inherently psychopathic, would lead to much of an improvement in most folks' lot.

Yes, because those are clearly the only possible choices.

Hint: corporation status is granted by states, so it can't exist without them.

[Traktion]

So had you been born in Russia in the era of communism you would have been happy to stay if given the choice to leave? Nonsense.

If this guy wanted to leave Canada and go live some place where no state is in control of his life then he could;

Read more at http://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/economic-development-requires-effective-governments-by-angus-deaton#xmlrpZUJIguCy2md.99

So it's not as if he has no choice- he could move to a place where he would be free of state interference- but chooses not to.

So all his posturing about the the evils of the state look just a bit silly given the fact that he freely chooses to live in one- don't you think?

If you lived on a street where your house got looted daily, I could suggest you moved to a different street too. It doesn't really make the looting good or fair though, does it?

[Traktion]

Libertarian analyses often raise valid issues imho, same as Marxist structural analyses. The problem, as with Marxism, is that being able to identify a problem doesn't mean that your proposed solutions to that problem are going to work out any better.

Personally, I doubt that replacing states, with their tendency to be corrupted and 'captured', with corporations, which are inherently psychopathic, would lead to much of an improvement in most folks' lot.

Fwiw, Stefan molyneux repeatedly asserts that he doesn't have all the answers. He just suggests that encouraging some to use aggression is not the solution.