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Lord Sugar has been investigated by police after he was accused of posting a racist message on Twitter.

The businessman and star of The Apprentice posted a photo of a child apparently of Chinese origin crying.

He wrote: "The kid in the middle is upset because he was told off for leaving the production line of the iPhone 5."

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Liverpool shop owner Nichola Szeto had taken offence about the reference to the Asian factories where the mobile phones are produced and complained about the "racist tweet" to the Metropolitan Police.

She was then contacted by Merseyside Police and went to a Liverpool police station to make a statement about the tweet, which was posted on 30 September.

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"The communication has been examined by the force's specialist hate crime investigation team and at this time it has been recorded as a hate incident and no criminal offences have taken place."

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http://www.bbc.co.uk...eyside-24421453

Lord Sugar has been investigated by police after he was accused of posting a racist message on Twitter.

The businessman and star of The Apprentice posted a photo of a child apparently of Chinese origin crying.

He wrote: "The kid in the middle is upset because he was told off for leaving the production line of the iPhone 5."

[..]

Liverpool shop owner Nichola Szeto had taken offence about the reference to the Asian factories where the mobile phones are produced and complained about the "racist tweet" to the Metropolitan Police.

She was then contacted by Merseyside Police and went to a Liverpool police station to make a statement about the tweet, which was posted on 30 September.

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"The communication has been examined by the force's specialist hate crime investigation team and at this time it has been recorded as a hate incident and no criminal offences have taken place."

Hate Incident?....but not a crime....where is the Hate...are Iphones not made in china?....why is it being recorded when no offence has been committed...why hasnt the complainent been done for wasting Police time?.

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Of course its a 'hate crime' Anything and everything can be a hate crime. That's the entire point of a hate crime. Back in the land of the sane, we all know offence is taken, not given...you 'take offence' at something afterall, but hate crime laws reverse this.

Its entirely up to the recipient to decide what a hate crime is. As Im not telepathic, I don't know what will offend you and you dont know what will offend me. The government sure as hell doesn't know. Thus a 'hate crime' can only constitute a 'hate crime' once offence has claimed to have been taken.

Goes without saying, how can a crime exist until its been defined after the event as a crime...law isnt retrospective, but that's the age of non-reason we live in. Only way we can converse with each other with 100% certainty of free speech is to sign a disclaimer before initiating conversation.

Utterly bonkers laws, but as a he's a scumbag liebour peer, obviously stuff he would support. Or else doesn't have the decency to renounce any relationship with the Labour party.

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Typical Cockney behaviour. They're all like that.

Haha, the original Cockney ******! What a totally ridiculous waste of police time though, do they really have nothing better to do than investigate people for making lame jokes? On the same subject, if that's a crime, why aren't the entire back cast of the Now Show and the News Quiz (maybe excepting Andy Hamilton) now doing life with no chance of parole?

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snitch culture + police anti-joke squads.

welcome to modern britain.

the police should be prosecuted for wasting their own time (and our money).

what would bernard manning have made of it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kl52Az4keD0

Yep. I can almost imagine the creep getting moist at the thought of getting her wildensteinian mug in the papers for outing crude corporate whore Sugar. Its like primary school tit for tat exchanges. No one is offended here, just an ugly ego trying to get one over someone else.

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Definition of hate crime The Association of Chief Police Officers distinguishes between a hate incident and a hate crime. A hate incident is:

“Any incident, which may or may not constitute a criminal offence, which is perceived by the victim or any other person, as being motivated by prejudice or hate.”

I fail to see where the prejudice or hate is seen in this one liner from sugar

maybe the girl was chinese....yes, and iphones are made in china...and yes, she may have been upset for the reason cited in the joke.

what if the girl was white and the joke was, she is upset because they kicked her off the british leyland assembly line?..

I await arrest and another hate incident report.

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Definition of hate crime The Association of Chief Police Officers distinguishes between a hate incident and a hate crime. A hate incident is:

“Any incident, which may or may not constitute a criminal offence, which is perceived by the victim or any other person, as being motivated by prejudice or hate.”

I fail to see where the prejudice or hate is seen in this one liner from sugar

maybe the girl was chinese....yes, and iphones are made in china...and yes, she may have been upset for the reason cited in the joke.

what if the girl was white and the joke was, she is upset because they kicked her off the british leyland assembly line?..

I await arrest and another hate incident report.

Ive seen the definition before, but every time I see it, I just have to do a double take.

“Any incident, which may or may not constitute a criminal offence, which is perceived by the victim or any other person, as being motivated by prejudice or hate.”

:blink::blink:

So, in other words, anything can be a hate crime as long as the 'victim' claims to be offended.

I dont know who can actually, honestly, and with a straight face, contend we have any degree of free speech in this country anymore.

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Ive seen the definition before, but every time I see it, I just have to do a double take.

"Any incident, which may or may not constitute a criminal offence, which is perceived by the victim or any other person, as being motivated by prejudice or hate."

:blink::blink:

So, in other words, anything can be a hate crime as long as the 'victim' claims to be offended.

I dont know who can actually, honestly, and with a straight face, contend we have any degree of free speech in this country anymore.

Well, the "victim" will have to prove his case in his statement...the man on the Clapham Omnibus will have the chance then to decide whether the perception was reasonable.

Unfortunately, for the non PC brigade, adding up any number of allegations that clearly dont meet the man on the bus test STILL go into the figures and will allow calls for action...

This is the danger of PC...you cant argue against a correct person...specially when he has thousands of "incidents" to back up his call for action on this "problem".

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Definition of hate crime The Association of Chief Police Officers distinguishes between a hate incident and a hate crime. A hate incident is:

“Any incident, which may or may not constitute a criminal offence, which is perceived by the victim or any other person, as being motivated by prejudice or hate.”

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Ive seen the definition before, but every time I see it, I just have to do a double take.

“Any incident, which may or may not constitute a criminal offence, which is perceived by the victim or any other person, as being motivated by prejudice or hate.”

:blink::blink:

So, in other words, anything can be a hate crime as long as the 'victim' claims to be offended.

I dont know who can actually, honestly, and with a straight face, contend we have any degree of free speech in this country anymore.

given that the PC crowd have lobbied for this inclusive definition of "hate" and coerced the police into investigating all allegations made regardless of merit, there is surely here an opportunity to overwhelm police resources with a flood of such "incidents", which might put a stop to all this nonsense for good.

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given that the PC crowd have lobbied for this inclusive definition of "hate" and coerced the police into investigating all allegations made regardless of merit, there is surely here an opportunity to overwhelm police resources with a flood of such "incidents", which might put a stop to all this nonsense for good.

Good idea...is there any sanction for a spurious claim?

Although given the open ended definition of 'hate' and even more subjective 'perception of hate', I cant imagine there can be such a thing as spurious.

Do the police not dare to speak up against these laws? They seem to have no trouble airing their disapproval of councillors wanting to reduce the speed limits from 30mph to 20mph, saying they wont enforce it. I guess this is different as the crimes are detected themselves, usually by weirdos with a chip on their shoulder like the woman in the OP.

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I'm not a ricist at all! In fact some of the ladiesI have known, are blick! ;)

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Good idea...is there any sanction for a spurious claim?

Although given the open ended definition of 'hate' and even more subjective 'perception of hate', I cant imagine there can be such a thing as spurious.

quite so. i'm not talking spurious claims, nor am i advocating a campaign but what is to stop racial *majority* citizens getting offended in the same way as minorities? it only takes a shift in consciousness. at which time, sanity will have to prevail.

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quite so. i'm not talking spurious claims, nor am i advocating a campaign but what is to stop racial *majority* citizens getting offended in the same way as minorities? it only takes a shift in consciouness. at which time, sanity will have to prevail.

Hate incidents cover more than just race. It encompasses gender, sexual orientation, disability and religion. Since nearly every one belongs to a minority in one of these categories the legislation then comes down to some sort of top trumps between the relevant parties. Sugar as a Jew holds some high scoring cards in this game if he cares to play them. The whole thing is a farce as the recent tit for tat squabble between Milliband and the Mail has shown (for the record Millband senior was a Marxist so presumably believed in proletarian revolution overthrowing the established capitalist order in the UK while the Daily Mail did openly support Moseley and print admiring articles about Hitler and the Nazis in the 1930s no matter how uncomfortable that fact may be for them now)

To fully comprehend the nonsense that is going on at the moment just ponder that if Sophie Tucker was to return from the dead, attend a Tottenham home game and start singing My Yiddish Mama she could potentially wind up being arrested. What are they going to do next - outlaw klezmer music in the premier league

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Sugar used to outsource his manufacturing to the far east. Given that he thinks Child labour is worth making a joke about, I wonder if the companies he used to manufacture his tat were entirely innocent in this regard.

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Hate incidents cover more than just race. It encompasses gender, sexual orientation, disability and religion. Since nearly every one belongs to a minority in one of these categories the legislation then comes down to some sort of top trumps between the relevant parties. Sugar as a Jew holds some high scoring cards in this game if he cares to play them. The whole thing is a farce as the recent tit for tat squabble between Milliband and the Mail has shown (for the record Millband senior was a Marxist so presumably believed in proletarian revolution overthrowing the established capitalist order in the UK while the Daily Mail did openly support Moseley and print admiring articles about Hitler and the Nazis in the 1930s no matter how uncomfortable that fact may be for them now)

To fully comprehend the nonsense that is going on at the moment just ponder that if Sophie Tucker was to return from the dead, attend a Tottenham home game and start singing My Yiddish Mama she could potentially wind up being arrested. What are they going to do next - outlaw klezmer music in the premier league

I dont see why piss taking of any of the above needs to be a crime, but religion...its make believe. Its no different to me taking the piss out of a trekkie. At least there's a degree of validity to star trek. Same cant be said of most religions. More blood has been shed in the name of religion than fascism and communism combined. Being religious should, if history was actually observed, be less acceptable than being a Nazi.

Just call it what it is: Blasphemy. No different to the pointing of fingers and shouting WITCH of days gone by.

FWIW the lefties own daily mirror also supported mosley...but like labours 90s support for the ERM, that little gem has been lost in the dingy BBC archives.

Its not some kind of objectivist top trumps either. People can change cohort to suit the establishment agenda. Zimmerman was a white man according to US media, yet classified himself as hispanic on voter registration. Slumlord Rachman was known as a white landlord praying on black families in Notting Hill. And yet if someone threw a pork chop at him, we can be sure he would be identified as 'jew' rather than 'white'

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quite so. i'm not talking spurious claims, nor am i advocating a campaign but what is to stop racial *majority* citizens getting offended in the same way as minorities? it only takes a shift in consciousness. at which time, sanity will have to prevail.

sadly, to make a campaign of this nature work, then one would have to target celebs in order for the papers to pick up on it.

If this moves, then being a celebrity will be hell, they wont be able to have a normal conversation without the Hate Police Public getting offended...

"hard working families" is a good place to start...that implies a predudice against families that arent hardworking and as such can be deemed, under the ACPO definition, a Hate Incident.

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sadly, to make a campaign of this nature work, then one would have to target celebs in order for the papers to pick up on it.

If this moves, then being a celebrity will be hell, they wont be able to have a normal conversation without the Hate Police Public getting offended...

"hard working families" is a good place to start...that implies a predudice against families that arent hardworking and as such can be deemed, under the ACPO definition, a Hate Incident.

I've not been "politically correct" for a long time, and I'm not starting now! :P

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Hate incidents cover more than just race. It encompasses gender, sexual orientation, disability and religion.

Alan Sugar's tweet wasn't directed at any of those (although the ignorant fools who raise complaints about this sort of thing are probably too stupid to know the difference between race and country).

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Hate incidents cover more than just race. It encompasses gender, sexual orientation, disability and religion. snip

it covers much more than that:

as being motivated by prejudice or hate.

prejudice means pre judgement...ie, bald men have too much testosterone and therefore are more likely to be criminal or rapists.

hence, using the term "hard working families" implies that others are not, simply by implication that one lot are lazy and the other not...it therefore fits into the prejudgement part of the motivation, and should be classed as a Hate Incident.

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