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Most of what the Tories do is ******** but making the long term dolies actually do some useful work for their money is not a bad idea. Not working at Tescos though, that's taking work from genuine workers but do some public service like picking up litter or painting railings or assisting in schools/hospitals/prisons/whatever is not a bad idea.

Edit: Looks like HPC doesn't like the word b*ll*cks ;-)

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I hope he calms down before his next fare and before he has a heart attack. I worry for his heart every time I watch him.

Partial to a bit of the taxi driver though.

Even the hard core Tories I know think the Tories have lost the plot. Paid up party numbers are dropping.

http://www.theguardi...eron?CMP=twt_fd

the most telling page has neither ad copy nor photos. Under the headline "Who comes to our conference?" is a pie chart: 4% event support; 2% international; 20% media. Then the two biggest slices: 38% party members and 36% commercial/charity/exhibitors. In other words, barely a third of those swarming Manchester this week are paid-up Conservatives – and they are almost equalled by corporate lobbyists

None of them will listen to the taxi driver

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Most of what the Tories do is ******** but making the long term dolies actually do some useful work for their money is not a bad idea. Not working at Tescos though, that's taking work from genuine workers but do some public service like picking up litter or painting railings or assisting in schools/hospitals/prisons/whatever is not a bad idea.

Edit: Looks like HPC doesn't like the word b*ll*cks ;-)

I have sympathy with that view. But I can't think of anything they could do, that won't involve putting someone else out of work.

Someone out there is currently paid to pick up litter, paint railings, help in schools/hospitals/prisons etc.

These ideas are started with the best of intentions, but end up destroying work, not creating it.

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They could go full circle here- replace all unskilled or semi skilled jobs who get minimum wage with unemployed people. Then private and public sector will all be paying JSA as the new minimum wage = throw in a few benefits and we become completely dependant.

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What happens if the Unemployed need to take a bus/drive to the 'place of work' this would really eat-in to the jobseekers allowance- Imagine a 4 day commute of perhaps a £3 bus fare- that would be £12 per week of extra expenses of a person that is likely to already be struggling.... £12 would be a a big deal to alot of people in this situation- malnutrition could become an issue.

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Most of what the Tories do is ******** but making the long term dolies actually do some useful work for their money is not a bad idea. Not working at Tescos though, that's taking work from genuine workers but do some public service like picking up litter or painting railings or assisting in schools/hospitals/prisons/whatever is not a bad idea.

Edit: Looks like HPC doesn't like the word b*ll*cks ;-)

Hmm, so performing public-sector work in return for payment. Not a bad idea, I suppose, but didn't we used to call that sort of thing a 'job'?

On the other hand, rather than paying for actual work, you can follow the example from the Irish famine.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folly#Famine_follies

Famine follies

The Irish Potato Famine of 1845-49 led to the building of several follies. The society of the day held that reward without labour was misguided. However, to hire the needy for work on useful projects would deprive existing workers of their jobs. Thus, construction projects termed "famine follies" came to be built. These include: roads in the middle of nowhere, between two seemingly random points; screen and estate walls; piers in the middle of bogs; etc.

which sounds pretty silly when you think about it.

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What happens if the Unemployed need to take a bus/drive to the 'place of work' this would really eat-in to the jobseekers allowance- Imagine a 4 day commute of perhaps a £3 bus fare- that would be £12 per week of extra expenses of a person that is likely to already be struggling.... £12 would be a a big deal to alot of people in this situation- malnutrition could become an issue.

Good point. +1

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What happens if the Unemployed need to take a bus/drive to the 'place of work' this would really eat-in to the jobseekers allowance- Imagine a 4 day commute of perhaps a £3 bus fare- that would be £12 per week of extra expenses of a person that is likely to already be struggling.... £12 would be a a big deal to alot of people in this situation- malnutrition could become an issue.

This is precisely why this scheme didn't work in the US and was stopped in several states. Expenses and bureaucracy exceeded any perceived benefit.

This policy is all sound bite and no substance.

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What happens if the Unemployed need to take a bus/drive to the 'place of work' this would really eat-in to the jobseekers allowance- Imagine a 4 day commute of perhaps a £3 bus fare- that would be £12 per week of extra expenses of a person that is likely to already be struggling.... £12 would be a a big deal to alot of people in this situation- malnutrition could become an issue.

This is already an issue. If you live in a rural community and you used to sign on at your local library (service has been cut to the bone) then you have to travel 12 miles every two weeks to sign on. The first 13 weeks you are excused - but DWP say that 13 weeks is ample time to find work and if you dont find work in those 13 weeks you have to find £13 Train fare every two weeks from already squeezed JSA to go sign on or you lose your benefits. Disabled? Feck you as ATOS says your fit, so that £13 quid you need for food and nutrition that week or to keep warm coz of your arthritis has to be put aside for your 13 mile trip to the Job center where you will be made to feel even more of a misfit in society whilst some middle age numpty praises universal credit and looks upon you as a numpty because you cannot even achieve a basic job like she has, no mention of the fact that there simply are not enough jobs

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Cracking rant.

I'd vote for him.

Its all he does. Rant.

If anyone came up with any decent alternative solution he'd rant about that too.

Doesn't really come up with any sensible alternatives.

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The only thing I can think of that the unemployed could do would be recycling.

Cut the leads off old electrical appliances and strip out the copper. Make one good bicycle out of two old ones, some hard plastics may be able to be separated and used to cut down the amount of quarry stone in concrete. ect

The work may not be profitable but it would cut down on landfill.

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The only thing I can think of that the unemployed could do would be recycling.

Cut the leads off old electrical appliances and strip out the copper. Make one good bicycle out of two old ones, some hard plastics may be able to be separated and used to cut down the amount of quarry stone in concrete. ect

The work may not be profitable but it would cut down on landfill.

Already happens.

Local charity shop/depot has a bod to build up serviceable and saleable bikes from an enormous bike mountain. Another couple of bods who build up computers from a mountain of computer bits.

What doesn't sell locally goes off on a feckin huge container to Nigeria.

All this is happening NOW. Osborne announced NOTHING NEW.

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The whole thing is insane. Either there's work for these people to do, in which case call it a 'job' and give it to them, or there isn't work for them to do, so stop blaming them for it. Reform the benefit system while you're at it, to make sure that work always pays (but unemployment doesn't kill you). It's not effing rocket science.

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The whole thing is insane. Either there's work for these people to do, in which case call it a 'job' and give it to them, or there isn't work for them to do, so stop blaming them for it. Reform the benefit system while you're at it, to make sure that work always pays (but unemployment doesn't kill you). It's not effing rocket science.

Quite right.

Successive governments have allowed open trade with, what could be considered, 2 Billion slaves in China, India, Far East.

While at the same time allowing mass unlimited immigration of UNSKILLED workers from the whole EU, and elsewhere.

They've encouraged a housing bubble dependant economy, that has further damaged British peoples employability, because we now cost so much to house ourselves.

.... and who do they blame for all this..... The unemployed. (The victims, the least to blame.)

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How about the unemployed build the great wall of London, like the Berlin wall but around the inside of the M25 thus separating the UK from the corruption and policies of London.

*votes*

Love London and live in it, but love the symbolism of this make work excercise. Wonder how long I'd last :)

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Its all he does. Rant.

If anyone came up with any decent alternative solution he'd rant about that too.

Doesn't really come up with any sensible alternatives.

You're probably right re: him only ranting BUT, given the state of political apathy by the masses, I would rather see more ranting, for the time being, than mere endless academic discussions by those unaffected by all these various social issues.

I actually WANT the public to start being more vocal and uninhibited about letting off steam about all the various things making their day to day lives a struggle. IF it ever happened the political class wouldn't know what hit them or what to do!

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