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Seriously they will be cooking meals for old people? I thought that was some possible activity they puled out of their ****.

Suddenly cooking meals for old people is punishment for being unemployed? It's insulting. Cooking good food and catering on a budget isn't easy or menial.

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what is the total number of people on this country that have been unemployed for 3 years or more? anyone know?

According to the news 200K and they will have a choice of unpaid work for six months /daily interviews for six months /or somthing like a rehabilitation course for those that have reading /writing difficulties and or drug/alcohol problems

So all in all just another bit of hate inducing propaganda to win a few votes that will end up costing the taxpayer more money under the illusion of saving money

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And nobody is trained because after all this is menial labour, right, because we said so, and then standards go through the ******in floor and nobody knows how to fix it. Great, what a service to the community that is, all for quadruple the price.

They demonised the unemployed so much, that nobody wants to hire the feckless drug addicted theiving chav scum, innit. Then they demonise the jobs they are going to do, just so it fits.

Problem is that their maths is off, there are not enough haves to look down on the have nots.

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According to the news 200K and they will have a choice of unpaid work for six months /daily interviews for six months /or somthing like a rehabilitation course for those that have reading /writing difficulties and or drug/alcohol problems

So all in all just another bit of hate inducing propaganda to win a few votes that will end up costing the taxpayer more money under the illusion of saving money

And extra JobCentre/DWP staff are suddenly going to appear to carry out the extra interview workload? Whilst at the same time performing all the changes to roll out Universal Credits?

I almost feel sorry for them. It's going to break.

I am now discovering it is possible to hate Tory politians as much as I hate Brown & Co. This whole policy is spiteful, counterproductive and mean-minded. I pity the unemployed in this country, and now fear I could become one of them in the current economic climate.

Roll on the next GE.

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And extra JobCentre/DWP staff are suddenly going to appear to carry out the extra interview workload? Whilst at the same time performing all the changes to roll out Universal Credits?

I almost feel sorry for them. It's going to break.

I am now discovering it is possible to hate Tory politians as much as I hate Brown & Co. This whole policy is spiteful, counterproductive and mean-minded. I pity the unemployed in this country, and now fear I could become one of them in the current economic climate.

Roll on the next GE.

Won't be JC staff, it will be 'private' contractors. My zone 2 London job centre is a ghost town, god knows where everyone is. The tramps are back sleeping outside though.

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Don't know, but he's going to have the business he spent the last 5 years building up destroyed. Isn't that enough?

the state already provides free services paid by our taxes: medical care, policing, army, courts, etc ... and we do not see the mass unemployment

so we will not see the mass unemployment if the unemployed (which are usually paid more than NMW) are going to care for old or clean up streets

just get over it, Alex

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And extra JobCentre/DWP staff are suddenly going to appear to carry out the extra interview workload? Whilst at the same time performing all the changes to roll out Universal Credits?

I almost feel sorry for them. It's going to break.

I am now discovering it is possible to hate Tory politians as much as I hate Brown & Co. This whole policy is spiteful, counterproductive and mean-minded. I pity the unemployed in this country, and now fear I could become one of them in the current economic climate.

Roll on the next GE.

you will need to get use to it. they are thinking about the same policies in France, Belgium and Czech Rep.

I personally prefer to give people in need the job than the money

if you give a man a fish he is hungry again in an hour. If you teach him to catch a fish you do him a good turn.

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you will need to get use to it. they are thinking about the same policies in France, Belgium and Czech Rep.

I personally prefer to give people in need the job than the money

if you give a man a fish he is hungry again in an hour. If you teach him to catch a fish you do him a good turn.

Anyone know what the likes of the Germans or the Danes do with the long term unemployed? I believe that the Danish equivalent of JSA is one if the more generous in the EU...

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the state already provides free services paid by our taxes: medical care, policing, army, courts, etc ... and we do not see the mass unemployment

so we will not see the mass unemployment if the unemployed (which are usually paid more than NMW) are going to care for old or clean up streets

just get over it, Alex

If you seriously believe a single elderly person will be cared for or a single street cleaned as a result of this initiative then you may also be interested in a bridge in Brooklyn that I have for sale.

Osborne is merely trying to garner cheap headlines. He and the Treasury know full well that the cost of these welfare to work schemes is often much higher than any benefit savings particuarly for the single unemployed. Anyway if all the unemployed were in work who would ministers have as a scapegoat the next time they f*ck over the economy.

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OK, I'll bite ;)

List of reasons for being unemployed for three years or more:

1. Disability

2. Choice

Any others?

The first couple of months of unemployment are crucial. If you don't find work within this period, then the agencies brand you unemployable and it's the agencies that run the show now.

Not to mention that, if you're English, you've got to overcome years of racist propaganda that your work ethic is somehow inferior to that of an Eastern European.

It's not propaganda, it's a fact. If I was working for myself I'd never employ a Brit, there's no point!

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you will need to get use to it. they are thinking about the same policies in France, Belgium and Czech Rep.

I personally prefer to give people in need the job than the money

if you give a man a fish he is hungry again in an hour. If you teach him to catch a fish you do him a good turn.

the fish are behind dams to entry, you need a degree to work in McDs these days...and the decent fish are passed around through grace and favour...you might catch a few minnows, but really, a visa and a Chinese fishing licence is what is really needed...for that is where the fish have migrated to.

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We have more people with engineering degrees in the UK than we can shake a stick at! (Just a shame most work in call centres!).

Most of those on that list could be found in the UK, its the employers will not invest in development, they see its cheaper to buy in from abroad. In the grand scheme of things though the list isn't that big

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It's not propaganda, it's a fact. If I was working for myself I'd never employ a Brit, there's no point!

So how are the unemployed British ever to become employed then? Pretend to be Polish?

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It's interesting watching the conservative audience applaud these ideas given their supposed ideological opposition to the idea of an over mighty state.

After all what they are applauding is the idea that the state can take them or their children and put them to work as quasi slave labor- the only condition being that they are not able to find paid employment and thus find themselves in need of state support. And this is (not yet) a crime.

I appreciate that they never imagine that they or their kids will be used in this way- but the future is not certain and they might one day discover that what they were signing up to was the right of the state to make them work at a time of it's choice, at a task of it's choice and to do this in return for subsistence level returns.

So they clap and cheer for a policy that is not so very different from the kinds of forced labor practiced by the socialist regimes they would claim to despise?

It's a strange spectacle in some ways, these people are cheering a policy that represents a degree of state control over their lives that is unprecedented- and they are not even members of the communist party. :lol:

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It's interesting watching the conservative audience applaud these ideas given their supposed ideological opposition to the idea of an over mighty state.

After all what they are applauding is the idea that the state can take them or their children and put them to work as quasi slave labor- the only condition being that they are not able to find paid employment and thus find themselves in need of state support. And this is (not yet) a crime.

I appreciate that they never imagine that they or their kids will be used in this way- but the future is not certain and they might one day discover that what they were signing up to was the right of the state to make them work at a time of it's choice, at a task of it's choice and to do this in return for subsistence level returns.

So they clap and cheer for a policy that is not so very different from the kinds of forced labor practiced by the socialist regimes they would claim to despise?

It's a strange spectacle in some ways, these people are cheering a policy that represents a degree of state control over their lives that is unprecedented- and they are not even members of the communist party. :lol:

Great post. I don't think they understand the implications of what the nasty party are doing, and I include the commenters on DM website who also seem to universally applaud these measures. There but for the grace of god etc.etc go us all. I'm actually starting to think the Tories won't be happy until they've plunged us back to the 1900's and brought back the workhouses.

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Is this policy actually for real?

What I mean is doesn't something like this actually have to be voted on to actually be implemented? Or has that already happened?

It is real, it is passed into law, as well as residential rehabitation that is not limited to anybparticular group (ostensibly for sick and disabled. It includes straight residential rehab ifor long term unemployed)

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Is this policy actually for real?

What I mean is doesn't something like this actually have to be voted on to actually be implemented? Or has that already happened?

I guess the Lib Dems could in theory stop it- but that would require principles and they don't have any.

Besides the masses seem to love the idea that if they lose their jobs they can be turned into slave labor- so it seems that turkeys do on occasion vote for christmas. :lol:

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Is this policy actually for real?

What I mean is doesn't something like this actually have to be voted on to actually be implemented? Or has that already happened?

it is coming even if Tories lose ellections:

http://labourlist.org/2013/01/labour-announce-compulsory-work-scheme-for-long-term-unemployed-and-those-who-refuse-to-take-part-could-lose-benefits/

Ed Balls and Liam Byrne are set to call for a compulsory Jobs Guarantee for long-term unemployed adults. In an article for PoliticsHome Ed Balls will say that, under the jobs guarantee, government will ensure there is a job for every adult who is long-term unemployed (initially those out of work for 24 months or more) and people out of work will be obliged to take up those jobs or face losing benefits. Labour would aim to expand the scheme over time to include those out of work for 18 or even 12 months.

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