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Ed Miliband Pledges To Forcibly Take Unused Land

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The key line didn't seem to register in the hall, but I suspect it is going to become a massive story. Those who own land and refuse to build on it, and ignore government orders, will see it stolen for housebuilding. Use it or lose it, he declared. That can only mean the government, or councils, swooping on land they want.

It sounds like a small thing, but it is not. It is philosophically very revealing. Property rights, the idea that outside a time of war or national emergency government cannot simply appropriate what it wants from private individuals who own property or land, are essential in a truly free society. Upend that assumption and in the end the government can do what it likes. It starts with intentions that can be made to sound noble (homes for our children! think of the children!) but, to be blunt, government theft ends in tyranny.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/iainmartin1/100237693/red-ed-is-back-with-a-land-grab/

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It would be nice if he did, but the property rights fears are unfounded. Liebour love spending money, they cant tell the difference between inflation and growth. When they say 'take' they actually mean will spend taxpayers money buying it up for 2 or 3 times its market value, just as they did in their last term when they 'took' control of empty houses or bribed people vast sums to bring them back to use.

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Besides, its usual torygraph 'property rights' ********. They already violate our property rights via every other tax. 100% of the product of my labour is my own, not the governments. Why suddenly draw a line here? If they take one penny off you they are already violating your property rights.

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I've seen some of it on the TV.... It's a bit creepy. It looks like the second coming of Jesus mixed in with some drug induced euphoria, and to think that all the people there each have a brain the size of a pea. Amazing. :huh:

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Seems unnecessary when most landowners on the edges of urban areas would happily part with it if the price was right.

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Seems unnecessary when most landowners on the edges of urban areas would happily part with it if the price was right.

Thats precisely been whats happened at any public consultations around here. Landowners WANT to sell. Its just NIMBYs who dont. Given most labour areas arent exactly places where most want to live (either inner city with no free land, or deprived places in the north) I dont see any way around that. Most growth is in NIMBY filled tory shires and towns.

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Potentially very VERY necessary if it's anti-land banking.

I read this as "undeveloped brownfield sites will be taken back and built on".

If he means that (as I hope) it's potentially a bloody good thing.

He's going to need to be a lot clearly very soon though, before it gets spun by some sections of the press as "Milliband wants to steal your garden".

I'm starting to quite like him. Actually feels like a Labour politician and not Thatcher-lite like Blair/Brown.

We need old Labour and old Tory ethics back ASAP - both have benefits, but have been stolen (and shafted) by weird neo-liberal centralism this past 30 odd years or so.

He's marginally less punchable than Cameron and Gidiot so will probably get my vote (not that it'll do him much good being as I'm way down South).

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I've seen some of it on the TV.... It's a bit creepy. It looks like the second coming of Jesus mixed in with some drug induced euphoria, and to think that all the people there each have a brain the size of a pea. Amazing. :huh:

He actually looks more barking than Tony Blair did at this stage.

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Sounds like he opened his mouth and his brain fell out.

I think they have got the wrong miliband running the labour party.

It should have been The Glen Miller Band :D

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He had to go and waken the "Knightotaur" didn't he?

Just turned on the news, and now my tea is all over the floor.

Edit. See im all over the place.

Orrible orrible monstrous gorgon.

Edited by shindigger

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Potentially very VERY necessary if it's anti-land banking.

I read this as "undeveloped brownfield sites will be taken back and built on".

If he means that (as I hope) it's potentially a bloody good thing.

He's going to need to be a lot clearly very soon though, before it gets spun by some sections of the press as "Milliband wants to steal your garden".

I'm starting to quite like him. Actually feels like a Labour politician and not Thatcher-lite like Blair/Brown.

We need old Labour and old Tory ethics back ASAP - both have benefits, but have been stolen (and shafted) by weird neo-liberal centralism this past 30 odd years or so.

He's marginally less punchable than Cameron and Gidiot so will probably get my vote (not that it'll do him much good being as I'm way down South).

I like him, he seems to stand up for his principles. 200,000 homes built a year and thats just the start, mas social house building is just over the horizon if this proves popular, he has listened to the public and reacted attempting to fix the dysfunctional housing market and utilities.

hes got my vote for sure.

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He had to go and waken the "Knightotaur" didn't he?

Just turned on the news, and now my tea is all over the floor.

Edit. See im all over the place.

Orrible orrible monstrous gorgon.

The Knight Mare. Don't look into her eyes...

Angela-Knight-001.jpg

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1923 Labour manifesto - point 6

http://www.labour-pa...manifesto.shtml

The Labour Party proposes to restore to the people their lost rights in the Land, including Minerals, and to that end will work for re-equipping the Land Valuation Department, securing to the community the economic rent of land, and facilitating the acquisition of land for public use.

They haven't done it yet, but I suppose it's only been 90 years...

:o

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He's done some good things when you think about it - stopping a war with Syria, attacking Murdoch, stopping HS2 (probably) - and now this and the mansion tax - I don't think he deserves all of the ridicule he gets.

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He's done some good things when you think about it -

Serving his apprenticeship under his mentor, Gordon Brown.

Stabbing his brother in the back to become Labour leader.

Probably the worst of the current crop of career politicians and that's saying something, nasty piece of work.

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Yes more houses but what will they cost and where will they be built, they never did this when in power (well apart from the 300% price increase in a decade) and given the short fall is 245,000 per year NOW, it is hardly solving the problem. His energy policy sounds like a joke as prices soared when Labour were on power and they did nothing.

Milliband was a junior minister in the new labour regime. This is not a new labour party which people seem to be forgetting, these policies are unashamedly left wing something the blairites would of baulked at.brown and blair are long gone, cameron and gidiot were even worse for the HPC cause.

Are you quibbling over the 200,000 figure when all we are getting is sub 100,000? that he is going to build in large numbers and take on the land hoarders is surely a sign that we have an alternative here to the utter farce that is the past and present uk housing cartel and that he understands the problems that allowing high house prices, land hoarding and restricitve supply cause to the uk economy and younger generations.

Hes upset the V.I's with this announcement and the energy price fix, I think we will see him tackle the rest as time goes by and he wins the election. we cannot expect him to announce overturning years of mismanagement overnight, he will make too many enemies in the media and establishment, but surely this is a sign of which way his bread is buttered.

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What we need is a party for the real workers of the country, a party for all those people who labour away all day working hard.

We could call it the Labour party.

Oh hang on, tha'ts name been used by the self serving benefit give away pro-immigration tory banker support party.....go figure :blink:

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He is still part of the problem and has not even mentioned the current price bubble. The 200,000 per year is a target by 2020, what is his target in 2016, 2017, 2018 and 2019.

Who is the shadow chancellor ... Ed Balls. And Ed Miliband is just another toff with a trust fund.

I will take my chances with milliband, ukip will never win, the greens will never win and the tories may as well be called the anti-HPC party.

Anybody that looks like kicking off mass house building and social house building post war style will get my vote.

Whoever pronounces lowering house prices will have their election hopes sunk by the grey vote, we will never hear it outright, but policies like these lead me to believe he is aware of the bubble and is attempting to mitigate its effects rather than the tory line of denying the bubble whilst pumping it with h2b subsidy.

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1923 Labour manifesto - point 6

http://www.labour-pa...manifesto.shtml

They haven't done it yet, but I suppose it's only been 90 years...

:o

This is the trouble with socialism (apart from the running out of other peoples money bit) - the tragedy of the commons. Given resources are scarce, we all have to be reduced to the lowest common denominator in living standards for it to work. Communism/Socialism always forces people down, never up.

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I will take my chances with milliband, ukip will never win, the greens will never win and the tories may as well be called the anti-HPC party.

Anybody that looks like kicking off mass house building and social house building post war style will get my vote.

Whoever pronounces lowering house prices will have their election hopes sunk by the grey vote, we will never hear it outright, but policies like these lead me to believe he is aware of the bubble and is attempting to mitigate its effects rather than the tory line of denying the bubble whilst pumping it with h2b subsidy.

Similar things were said about Camoron and Gidiot before the last election, come on you seriously don't believe anything these people say do you?

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I like him, he seems to stand up for his principles. 200,000 homes built a year and thats just the start, mas social house building is just over the horizon if this proves popular, he has listened to the public and reacted attempting to fix the dysfunctional housing market and utilities.

hes got my vote for sure.

Are you young. He'll say whatever is popular, but can't deliver on it. As already been said, all Labour did last time was allow HPI to get massively out of control.

If we didn't have anti-capitalism, a lot of massively over-valued land held for speculation, including developers landbanks, would have come back to market at much lower prices. As owners looked to sell before their holdings lost more money.

Instead anti-capitalism wants to seize, or massively overpay for building land, and no doubt pay excessive sums for the builds/wages/ materials, with favoured developers involved. End result being they'll want buyers to overpay for them via Shared Ownership or some other artificial means of paying A LOT more than the homes are worth. Yet there will be some who will have gratitude for it. Older homeowners not wanting to lose any value of their (mostly owned outright hyperinflated valued homes) and other VIs who get a taste of the rigging.

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