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Is your bedroom a bedroom?

According to the 1987 Housing (Scotland) Act the minimum size of a bedroom is:

- 110 sq. ft. for 2 adults

- 70 sq. ft. for 1 adult

- 50 sq. ft. for a child

Whilst these room sizes are for overcrowding purposes, the local HA here says it'll continue to use bedroom numbers on the rent book...

Maybe everyone needs to have a free box room.

All you people in one bedroom flats - write to your MP now and demand a free box room.

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Is your bedroom a bedroom?

According to the 1987 Housing (Scotland) Act the minimum size of a bedroom is:

- 110 sq. ft. for 2 adults

- 70 sq. ft. for 1 adult

- 50 sq. ft. for a child

Whilst these room sizes are for overcrowding purposes, the local HA here says it'll continue to use bedroom numbers on the rent book...

Maybe everyone needs to have a free box room.

All you people in one bedroom flats - write to your MP now and demand a free box room.

Those sizes don't seem particularly generous - our spare room is c.110sqft and I wouldn't like to try and squeeze in a double bed plus a couple of wardrobes and chests of drawers into it.

The most efficient way to use the space would be to push the double bed into the corner meaning one side was pushed up against a wall - which isn't really ideal for most couples.

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Is your bedroom a bedroom?

According to the 1987 Housing (Scotland) Act the minimum size of a bedroom is:

- 110 sq. ft. for 2 adults

- 70 sq. ft. for 1 adult

- 50 sq. ft. for a child

Whilst these room sizes are for overcrowding purposes, the local HA here says it'll continue to use bedroom numbers on the rent book...

Maybe everyone needs to have a free box room.

All you people in one bedroom flats - write to your MP now and demand a free box room.

I have a 32 Sq ft box room. And also a built in 4 Sq ft cupboard!

What about the 440 Sq ft attic though?

I don't have a garden mind you. I have to rent an allotment. Surely we need an attic tax, a cupboard tax, and a garden tax...

Or perhaps council houses with gardens should be eligible for benefit payments under the CAP?

Personally I think everybody should have a box room, storage space is very valuable, where you gonna put your stuff?

I think people should have spare bedrooms too. Many business are born in spare bedrooms. Spare bedrooms are good for the economy.

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There needs to be national guidance on this.

Potential tenants are now (sensibly IMO) turning down properties with three small bedrooms in favour of ones with two big bedrooms. The three bed / two bed / one bed distinction is too sweeping.

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Surely we need an attic tax, a cupboard tax, and a garden tax...

If you believe an absence of subsidy or benefit is a tax, then surely your tax already exists. Unless of course cupboards and attics are already directly subsidised.

But just how daft would you sound if you complained of an attic tax just cos you cant put in a claim for one?

About as daft as me complaining of the "standing on my own two feet" tax as a result of never qualifying for any benefits.

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If you believe an absence of subsidy or benefit is a tax, then surely your tax already exists. Unless of course cupboards and attics are already directly subsidised.

But just how daft would you sound if you complained of an attic tax just cos you cant put in a claim for one?

About as daft as me complaining of the "standing on my own two feet" tax as a result of never qualifying for any benefits.

Suppose you weren't allowed to stand on your own two feet, unless you paid for private permission that already existed to stand on your own two feet, or secured a 'social permission' at fixed rates, or paid for a new permission to come into existence to stand on your own two feet.

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No one gave a damn about spare rooms. bedrooms or box rooms till the Blue Rentier Bully Fascists gained some form of power.

Don't fall their odious divide and rule policies to distract attention away from those who earn MILLIONS from owning spare fields and acreages (not rooms).

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No one gave a damn about spare rooms. bedrooms or box rooms till the Blue Rentier Bully Fascists gained some form of power.

Don't fall their odious divide and rule policies to distract attention away from those who earn MILLIONS from owning spare fields and acreages (not rooms).

+1. Don't get drawn into debating this nonsense. Keep pointing at the real scroungers, I.e. royalty, MPs, landowners etc.

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I have a box room! It is full of boxes! :blink:

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Isn't it amazing how the bedroom tax is hiding the real issue, housing is now becoming unaffordable for the masses.

We are told by Ian Duncan Smith that the Housing Benefit bill is soaring, with ever more claimant year after year. Yet, whilst at the same time Osborne is busy trying to inflated the housing market and stoke up higher HPI.

Not once have the media or politicians opposing this pointed out that if housing costs could actually be reduced more could afford their own housing and at the same time the HB bill would become manageable once more.

Bedroom tax in my eyes is being used to distract from what is really happening, this government wants the public to bare high annual HPI whilst at the same time admits we the taxpayers can't afford it.

It's great big fat political white elephant they're hiding their failed housing policies behind. :angry:

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I think people should have spare bedrooms too. Many business are born in spare bedrooms. Spare bedrooms are good for the economy.

They are incredible useful. Many people actually sleep in them too.

But now the UN and courts have said everyone should have at least one, hows this going to work?

Will councils be forced to upgrade people to even bigger houses so that they can have a box room? Is it one box room per person, or will a couple have to share a box room? What about families currently with children being forced to sleep in the box room, will they get a box room too?

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If the stated aim of the bedroom tax or whatever you want to call it is to reduce housing benefit then forcing people out of social housing into private rented is an own goal.

For this to work the people effected should have been given the opportunity of moving into a smaller property by the housing association or council. Given that we are talking about people on benefits it isn't easy for them to find a deposit and a months rent+ up front, sometimes they need much more given how long it can take to claim housing benefit.

The correct answer to the problem is to have a massive building programme of new social housing. This will not only provide people who need homes desperately with them but will bring down house prices and therefore rents as well. This needs to be done by the government as they can then override any nimbies.

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We are told by Ian Duncan Smith that the Housing Benefit bill is soaring, with ever more claimant year after year. Yet, whilst at the same time Osborne is busy trying to inflated the housing market and stoke up higher HPI.

+1 How can they at the same time complain about state subsidies for single bedrooms while promoting a scheme to subsidise the purchase of entire houses? It's ridiculous.

On the one hand they complain about the mission creep of the welfare state while on the other they plot to put the entire population on welfare by creating an economy based on a state supported housing market.

In 'Help to Buy' we see the most radical socialist policy since the welfare state was created- not even Labor in it's wildest fantasies would have imagined turning the private residential market into a state fiefdom- yet this is precisely what Osbourne is doing- because once help to buy is initiated it will be impossible to remove without crashing the market- which no government will be willing or able to do.

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+1. Don't get drawn into debating this nonsense. Keep pointing at the real scroungers, I.e. royalty, MPs, landowners etc.

So my ex neighbour how had a much nicer home than me because she got pregnant by a stranger wasn't a scrounger? What was she a valued member of the community?

(She moved because she wanted to go to central London - why as she wasn't working she got housing there is a mystery to me).

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So my ex neighbour how had a much nicer home than me because she got pregnant by a stranger wasn't a scrounger? What was she a valued member of the community?

(She moved because she wanted to go to central London - why as she wasn't working she got housing there is a mystery to me).

Did she do a flat swap?

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Did she do a flat swap?

No she was living in a BTL and when the landlord wanted her out she demanded that we give housing in zone1. I suppose at least it wasn't the nicest area.

(Showing how housing benefit helps two types of parasite).

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So my ex neighbour how had a much nicer home than me because she got pregnant by a stranger wasn't a scrounger? What was she a valued member of the community?

(She moved because she wanted to go to central London - why as she wasn't working she got housing there is a mystery to me).

What exactly is this 'nicer home?' A flat on a London council estate?

When I joined this forum probably about eight years ago now, we never discussed social housing at all. It just wasn't on the agenda at all (least of all mine).

The fact that the so called "market" in housing has now changed aspirations so the flats of the unemployed and are now being looked upon enviously. The fact that a State/Centrist solution from the 60/70's is seen as a golden age of housing speaks volumes to me.

To quote 'Self Employed Youth'

Just over 10 years ago there was 50 Sqm of housing space per person in the UK, now it's down to something like 44 Sqm, and the housing market is very rigid, so new entrants to the market have been f***d (think eye wateringly expensive 20 Sqm bedsits in London and compare them to the council houses of yesteryear with 80 Sqm of space, 3 bedrooms and an actual garden.)

Yes you have been well and truly f****d and its not by pregnant women! :lol::blink:

And the wonderful Boris Johnson (just what level of moron ever voted for that corrupt cretin?) is now demolishing perfectly good and stable London social housing for overpriced pads that will only be bought by foreign investors. The payoffs to former social tenants who bought, so low they are having to move out of the capital entirely or mortgage again.

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What exactly is this 'nicer home?' A flat on a London council estate?

When I joined this forum probably about eight years ago now, we never discussed social housing at all. It just wasn't on the agenda at all (least of all mine).

The fact that the so called "market" in housing has now changed aspirations so the flats of the unemployed and are now being looked upon enviously. The fact that a State/Centrist solution from the 60/70's is seen as a golden age of housing speaks volumes to me.

To quote 'Self Employed Youth'

Yes you have been well and truly f****d and its not by pregnant women! :lol::blink:

And the wonderful Boris Johnson (just what level of moron ever voted for that corrupt cretin?) is now demolishing perfectly good and stable London social housing for overpriced pads that will only be bought by foreign investors. The payoffs to former social tenants who bought, so low they are having to move out of the capital entirely or mortgage again.

Completely - no-one aspired to a council flat and certainly not to the shortlife HA housing I was in, that was fraught with dangers.

Now I get a confused reaction, the same distaste for social housing mixed with envy, you can see their minds pulling in opposite directions.

I add to the confusion for having worked voluntarily over 10 years for my HA flat...

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What exactly is this 'nicer home?' A flat on a London council estate?

It was a 3 bed semi with a nice garden . I was living in a flat on a council estate.

And the wonderful Boris Johnson (just what level of moron ever voted for that corrupt cretin?)

I don't like Boris Johnson - but the alternative was Livingstone - sadly I don't have time to say what I think of him but it is all in the public record.

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It was a 3 bed semi with a nice garden . I was living in a flat on a council estate.

I don't like Boris Johnson - but the alternative was Livingstone - sadly I don't have time to say what I think of him but it is all in the public record.

Fair enough.

I reckon in another decade we will be envying the 'bed in a shed' dwellers.

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I reckon in another decade we will be envying the 'bed in a shed' dwellers.

You and I won't be because you have a council flat and I own my small house. Sadly you might be right for young people.

However if we have sensible politicians things can improve. Sadly even though I support UKIP I don't think they will solve it 100% - best of a bad lot.

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