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Campbeltown on the peninsula of Kintyre is an absolute treasure. On a clear day you can easily see the coast of Antrim as you make your way down the peninsula. But it's far too beautiful and remote to ever warrant digging a tunnel twixt the two IMHO.

Building a bridge or tunnel from Campbeltown would be utterly insane unless you also built a motorway down the length of Kintyre, and even if you did it would still be significantly insane. As a child we used to go on family holidays in Skipness: about half the driving time to get there was from Wimbledon to Glasgow, and the other half from Glasgow to Skipness. Admittedly the last time I made that trip was in 1992, but unless there have been massive road upgrades since then, to get from London to Campeltown would take 10-12 hours by road, and not much less than that from Britain's other major centres of population. Flying, or a ferry that arrives a shorter drive from civilisation would be a cheaper and more efficient option for almost everyone making the journey.

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Well - if you hadn't noticed London and Paris aren't exactly near the channel tunnel either. You build other bits to connect them. :blink:

Cardiff route seems best to me as the inland infrastructure ( brilliant brunel railway to london, and m4) is less saturated and complicated afaik.

Further, it would appear to provide a sterling economic opportunity for ireland to be an enormous port serving the british isles with benefit of lower population density and lower costs than uk port

Maybe the benefits would be to britain after all

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It's not as if either Wales, Scotland, the west of England or Ireland are hubs of economic activity (even though Ireland was called an economic tiger until just recently - until reality set in :rolleyes: ).

Apparently Ireland does have oil off its SW coast though.

Would be a far better idea to spend the money on building a tunnel from Felixstowe to Harwich (Bathside Bay) dual the A120 out of Harwich towards Colchester/London, would give 2 routes out from felixstowe docks and link several small towns across felixstowe up and down the A12.

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Silly idea. Just fix up the Catthorpe interchange, optionally turn the A14 into a motorway and complete the M6/M56 interchange properly so you can drive north then turn right towards Manchester. For about a millionth the price you would save more time for millions more people.

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Both those routes come into Wales in predominantely Welsh language nationalist heartlands.

There has long been talk in Wales that the Welsh language nationalists, who are dominant in politics and the media in Wales, don't want motorways - hence why the M4 stops north of Swansea before going further West, or why there is no motorway along the north coast of Wales.

Such roads would bring in loads of 'foreigners' - i.e. people who do not speak Welsh - and the nationalists fear that more than anything.

It would be their nightmare if there was some kind of tunnel or bridge across the Irish Sea as it would mean that motorways would be constructed... and people would turn up speaking all sorts of languages... and they can't have that can they.

Wouldn't want to hear the nationalists

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Silly idea. Just fix up the Catthorpe interchange, optionally turn the A14 into a motorway and complete the M6/M56 interchange properly so you can drive north then turn right towards Manchester. For about a millionth the price you would save more time for millions more people.

ahh - that's road upgrades, i'm going with the tunnel or mahosive bridge building scenario, although a tunnel from felixstowe to bathside bay would only be one mile (ish) and all the road links are in place, plus 40% of all containers travel through felixstowe so any reduction in delays if say the orwell bridge is out of action or road crashes stopping traffic has to be a good thing.

Incidentally, how much would a mile of tunnel cost to build and then maintain? is it all pro-rata, eg 1 mile forty times cheaper than 40 miles?

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Both those routes come into Wales in predominantely Welsh language nationalist heartlands.

There has long been talk in Wales that the Welsh language nationalists, who are dominant in politics and the media in Wales, don't want motorways - hence why the M4 stops north of Swansea before going further West, or why there is no motorway along the north coast of Wales.

Such roads would bring in loads of 'foreigners' - i.e. people who do not speak Welsh - and the nationalists fear that more than anything.

It would be their nightmare if there was some kind of tunnel or bridge across the Irish Sea as it would mean that motorways would be constructed... and people would turn up speaking all sorts of languages... and they can't have that can they.

I don't think that they would have any problem with non-Welsh speakers coming to live amongst them as long as they're not bigoted like you TMT. Welsh language nationalists dominant in politics and media in Wales? You mean the politics which has been dominated for a hundred years by the anti-Welsh British nationalist and staunch unionist Labour party and the boot licking media which shows such affection for the royal family/London Olympics/jubilee/royal pregnancies or births etc?

And furthermore TMT, since you mentioned the road network.....there's no decent road link between north and south Wales.....even linking the Welsh speaking heartlands of the north west and south west. Strange isn't it since these Welsh speakers wield so much power? Then there is no rail link at all linking north and south Wales. As the Englishman George Monbiot said about the transport services in Wales, they were all crated for the plunder of it's resources; a kind of colonial relationship with mainly the south east of England. You TMT are a paranoid and prejudiced liar.

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What they haven't thought of is a mass exodus from England to Ireland to buy newly cheap housing.

O rly?

It'll be the main reason stopping British sheeple from buying there now, the ferry costs.

I'm starting to realise that I might have to go live tribal in a jungle to escape this madness longer term.

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