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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-23672538

Ireland tunnel

A tunnel or bridge between Britain and Ireland has been discussed for decades. It would boost tourism and business activity on both sides of the Irish Sea, supporters argue. But what about the engineering?

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Hmm what about the cost!!!

Even if built how would you keep a bridge open if it gets windy? Would it have to be enclosed?

Would there really be enough traffic to support a bridge like this between Ireland and the UK?

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Both those routes come into Wales in predominantely Welsh language nationalist heartlands.

There has long been talk in Wales that the Welsh language nationalists, who are dominant in politics and the media in Wales, don't want motorways - hence why the M4 stops north of Swansea before going further West, or why there is no motorway along the north coast of Wales.

Such roads would bring in loads of 'foreigners' - i.e. people who do not speak Welsh - and the nationalists fear that more than anything.

It would be their nightmare if there was some kind of tunnel or bridge across the Irish Sea as it would mean that motorways would be constructed... and people would turn up speaking all sorts of languages... and they can't have that can they.

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A tunnel or bridge between Britain and Ireland has been discussed for decades.

That's a new one. More spin.

For sure a Channel tunnel/bridge was regularly mentioned and discussed for decades in the general media before they eventually got round to building the tunnel.

If it's been openly discussed at all an Irish Sea equivalent has never been a similar regular hot topic in the general media although who knows what has been "discussed for decades" in private. Maybe it wasn't a hot topic because it wouldn't benefit "down South" so much.

Is it so the Irish can get across to England more easily to buy housing. What they haven't thought of is a mass exodus from England to Ireland to buy newly cheap housing.

If it goes ahead it's to be hoped the eu will fund it and not all by the UK taxpayer again.

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But what about the engineering?

But what about the house prices?

Good idea though, mega construction engineering project that doesn't involve buying millions of boomer/nimby houses at extortionate cost.

Would have thought a Bristol channel barrage better though.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk...gazine-23672538

Hmm what about the cost!!!

Even if built how would you keep a bridge open if it gets windy? Would it have to be enclosed?

Would there really be enough traffic to support a bridge like this between Ireland and the UK?

Campbeltown on the peninsula of Kintyre is an absolute treasure. On a clear day you can easily see the coast of Antrim as you make your way down the peninsula. But it's far too beautiful and remote to ever warrant digging a tunnel twixt the two IMHO.

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A Dublin to Hollyhead tunnel paid for the by the UK tax payer would be nice. The ferry costs about £200 at the moment which IMO is a bit steep considering when we lived in Dover it used to cost us around £40 for a day return.

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According to the article

Gordon Brown's government seriously considered the scheme ..

in reference to a Severn Barrage - so that's a bit of a hurdle.

There's no similar reference to his government for an Irish Sea crossing so at least there isn't that particular hurdle to overcome for that scheme.

Maybe they'll announce that it's been discussed by Cameron/Osborne/Clegg's government - that might be a hurdle just too high.

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Campbeltown on the peninsula of Kintyre is an absolute treasure. On a clear day you can easily see the coast of Antrim as you make your way down the peninsula. But it's far too beautiful and remote to ever warrant digging a tunnel twixt the two IMHO.

Plus the sheer amount of time it would take to get to the bridge!

Anglesea-Dublin would make the most sense economically and with existing links. If we wanted to join-up the UK, then Barrow-in-Furness to the Isle of Man, and Isle Of Man to Dublin to Bangor (next to Belfast) would work, at least until the IRA blew it up on general principles.

Edit..

Apart from the Severn barrage, and allowing for some cost escalation, the TOTAL cost of these schemes is still less than half a RBS bailout capital injection.. in budget terms you'd lose them in the noise..

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A Scottish link seems unlikely as it's too "up North" and Scotland's getting independent. Would they pay a hefty share?

The most southerly link seems most likely nearer to capital Cardiff and then with more motorways directly towards London - and nearer to "down South" as well. A nice multi lane motorway upgrade running down the east coast of Ireland and another one east/west across Ireland for the future oil might have to be thrown in.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk...gazine-23672538

Hmm what about the cost!!!

Even if built how would you keep a bridge open if it gets windy? Would it have to be enclosed?

Would there really be enough traffic to support a bridge like this between Ireland and the UK?

Some of those lines on the map are silly (i.e. replicate ferry routes, tunnels don't need sheltered harbours!) why go Belfast to Stranraer surely from near Whitehead to Portpatrick would be 16 miles shorter and thus a lot cheaper especially if tunnelled - Tunnel only 20-21 miles long if done on channel tunnel type basis.

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Some of those lines on the map are silly (i.e. replicate ferry routes, tunnels don't need sheltered harbours!) why go Belfast to Stranraer surely from near Whitehead to Portpatrick would be 16 miles shorter and thus a lot cheaper especially if tunnelled - Tunnel only 20-21 miles long if done on channel tunnel type basis.

Yes, 20 ish miles is much preferable to 40-odd. Maybe it's possible.

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At the moment it sounds like a scheme being conjured up and put forward to help with the flagging Irish east coast housing market.

Speculate on which town along the east coast will benefit most. Similarly for west Scotland/Wales/England.

Then a few votes from the construction sector.

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If it's been openly discussed at all an Irish Sea equivalent has never been a similar regular hot topic in the general media although who knows what has been "discussed for decades" in private. Maybe it wasn't a hot topic because it wouldn't benefit "down South" so much.

Not too sure what you're getting at but the main beneficiary of an Ireland<->Britain bridge/tunnel would clearly be the Republic of Ireland, especially if it terminated at Dublin or Rosslare. NI would also benefit from the improved flow of goods and trade plus extra options for travelling to GB.

It would also be beneficial for GB, though not to the same extent.

If it goes ahead it's to be hoped the eu will fund it and not all by the UK taxpayer again.

What do you mean by 'all by the UK taxpayer again' .. Was there a link built before and paid for with UK taxpayer money?

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Plus the sheer amount of time it would take to get to the bridge!

Anglesea-Dublin would make the most sense economically and with existing links.....

Exactly, the possible locations are all so far away from the major population centres it's never going to make economic sense.

As a best case scenario Manchester to Holyhead is going to take 2 1/2 hours plus probably another 1 1/2 to cross the Irish sea. Where's the time and cost saving?

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Some of those lines on the map are silly (i.e. replicate ferry routes, tunnels don't need sheltered harbours!) why go Belfast to Stranraer surely from near Whitehead to Portpatrick would be 16 miles shorter and thus a lot cheaper especially if tunnelled - Tunnel only 20-21 miles long if done on channel tunnel type basis.

Certainly would appear to be the easiest option though little chance of getting the RoI government to contribute anything given how it would start and end in the UK.

It wouldn't benefit Wales or the South of England so much as a Wales based terminus would - but Scotland and North of England would find it very useful to export to all of Ireland.

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Would have thought a Bristol channel barrage better though.

+1000

Or building a massive stack of council housing. Or some new nukes.

55-60 million people live in France plus there is of course the rest of Europe on that side. Where is the need for a tunnel to Paddyland?

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Apparently the longest undersea tunnel in the world is the Seikan Tunnel which is about 34 miles long and has 14.5 miles under the sea bed.

US$3.6 billion to construct in 1988.

Apparently the Channel Tunnel is about 31.4 miles long with 23.5 miles undersea.

So if a tunnel the cost estimate in the article (even at "much more than £3.5 billion") seems very low even allowing for a possible shorter distance than Seikan.

Seems the Hangzhou Bay Bridge in China is the longest oversea bridge at about 22 miles. Finished in 2007 and apparently cost US$ 1.7 billion.

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It's not as if either Wales, Scotland, the west of England or Ireland are hubs of economic activity (even though Ireland was called an economic tiger until just recently - until reality set in :rolleyes: ).

Apparently Ireland does have oil off its SW coast though.

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A Dublin to Hollyhead tunnel paid for the by the UK tax payer would be nice. The ferry costs about £200 at the moment which IMO is a bit steep considering when we lived in Dover it used to cost us around £40 for a day return.

But you must realise the the Irosh Sea has always been an expensive bit of water.

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Well - if you hadn't noticed London and Paris aren't exactly near the channel tunnel either. You build other bits to connect them. :blink:

Think you'll find that most of the bits to connect them were already there.

Also Manchester isn't London and Dublin isn't Paris.

Also the CT provides access from the UK to the whole of continental Europe, in comparison a link to Ireland provides access to a country with a population of approximately 1/2 the size of London.

Finally the CT has been a bit of a disaster anyway.

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Also the CT provides access from the UK to the whole of continental Europe, in comparison a link to Ireland provides access to a country with a population of approximately 1/2 the size of London.

Ah, but if you think of it as the first stage of a transatlantic tunnel.......

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