crashmonitor Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 (edited) It still retains mineral / exploitation rights on property is has sold off (including a lot of 'affordable' housing). The CoE are just classic rentiers. The God/spiritual thing is just a sideline IMO No scruples about making a couple bankrupt over an archaic chancel repair covenant. Just shocking that they probably built these places with enforced slave labour from land that was stolen and raped for during the Norman conquest and they have the balls to enforce medieval law. If they want to go back that far may be reparations for torture should be in order and restoration of Anglo Saxon land rights. http://www.thefreelibrary.com/WALES%3A+Inherited+farm+could+cost+us+our+own+home%3B+Couple+liable+for...-a0190677929 Edited August 17, 2013 by crashmonitor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crashmonitor Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 Church losing patience with fracking nimbys, not going to get in the way of their mineral rights........ http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/10247524/Church-of-England-fracking-opponents-are-ignoring-the-poor.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si1 Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 (edited) Church losing patience with fracking nimbys, not going to get in the way of their mineral rights........ http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/10247524/Church-of-England-fracking-opponents-are-ignoring-the-poor.html That green party mp just got arrested for fracking protests. I wonder how her nice right on middle class supporters would take to genuine energy poverty and the low economic growth that goes with it, would they be upset when it turns out you can't afford to go on holiday to Malaysia anymore to show the kids all about spirituality, leprosy and other shtt you can't get in Sussex? Edited August 19, 2013 by Si1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tankus Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 (edited) That said the drilling that is going on at Balcombe at the moment has nothing to do with fracking. It is a conventional oil/gas exploration well. All the exploration was done in 1986 when Conoco drilled a total of 11 Exploration wells at the exact same site and a number of others close by (including Rotherfield, Ringmer, Wineham & Ashington. ) They were not considered economically viable using then extraction techniques. The local geology is exceedingly well known. Perhaps there might have less disquiet if they had the locals more onside first though....eh ? http://www.private-eye.co.uk/sections.php?section_link=news&issue=1346 Cuadrilla,s original planning application includes the use of fracking if it seems viable. Last month the Environment Agency received an application from Cuadrilla for a mining waste permit at Balcombe ... For solid waste which may contain naturally occurring radioactive substances. This is not required for a test bore , it is required for dealing with large volumes of waste as is produced from fracking. Not too difficult to work out what comes next .? Edited August 20, 2013 by Tankus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WageWar Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 Church losing patience with fracking nimbys, not going to get in the way of their mineral rights........ http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/10247524/Church-of-England-fracking-opponents-are-ignoring-the-poor.html The Church is as corrupt as the government. On the one hand they are asserting their mineral rights so they can rake in the profits. And on the other hand they have started slagging off the anti-frackers, making out that they are against the poor etc. In other words the Church is using moral bullying tactics to increase it's own profits. You couldn't really get a deeper form of lying even if you tried. But this is Britain now...rotten to the core. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si1 Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 I think the concern about fracking in the South East of England is the potential impact it could have on the water supply particularly South of London where most of the population depend on groundwater in chalk and sandstone aquifers. The risks concern not only contamination of the supply but also depletion of the water resource as each fracked well could potentially need up to 4 million gallons of water. Given that the areas water supplies are already under pressure from a growing population this is not a trivial problem. which groundwater modelling techniques do you suppose the environment consultancies engaged in the impact assesment (by law) will use? seriously, just to prove you don't actually know f*ck all about what you're talking about here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si1 Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 And on the other hand they have started slagging off the anti-frackers, making out that they are against the poor etc. the antifrackers are nimby champagne socialists - they hate the poor and want to prevent the poor improving their lives by using legitimate resources, of course the church should be against them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@contradevian Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 the antifrackers are nimby champagne socialists - they hate the poor and want to prevent the poor improving their lives by using legitimate resources, of course the church should be against them I think its a very strange alliance. Its a mixture of ageing/retired boomers trying to preserve their lottery winning house equity. If it wasn't fracking they would be opposing something whether it would windmills, a supermarket, housing development or a new railway. This time round though they got inundated with the usual (younger) rentamob of anti-capitalists, anarchists and celebrity bandwagon jumpers. Christopher Booker is an old HPC favourites, incredibly misinformed about wind turbines. Of course he is pro-fracking: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2397518/CHRISTOPHER-BOOKER-A-new-Battle-Britain-Caving-anti-fracking-fanatics-craven-surrender-mob-rule.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrabus Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 Haven't churches been sold in recent years where you basically get the building but the Church keeps all sorts of rights to the land? Thats why when you buy land you take out chancellery insurance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goat Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 Thats why when you buy land you take out chancellery insurance I seem to remember that there was a deadline (now passed) for the church to register all potential chancellery claims. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Als Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 (edited) the antifrackers are nimby champagne socialists - they hate the poor and want to prevent the poor improving their lives by using legitimate resources, of course the church should be against them Every church going Christian I've ever met has turned up his/her nose at the real poor. Edited August 20, 2013 by Als Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Peter Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 to prevent the poor improving their lives by using legitimate resources How is this going to benefit the poor? Peter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the gardener Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 which groundwater modelling techniques do you suppose the environment consultancies engaged in the impact assesment (by law) will use? seriously, just to prove you don't actually know f*ck all about what you're talking about here Perhaps the same ones that they used in Fukushima? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goat Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 How is this going to benefit the poor? Cheaper fuel costs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@contradevian Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 Douglas Carswell is blaming 'the rich'" http://www.talkcarswell.com/home/rich-antishale-protesters-must-not-be-allowed/2703 Pointless commenting on his blog, as this so called "libertarian" doesn't allow any dissenting voices! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Peter Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 Cheaper fuel costs? No, because the gas prices are set by the price of gas from Norway, Russia and the Middle East. The volumes produced would be too low to affect things. Plus there is no guarantee it would be cheaper anyway. The rich might make some money from fracking, e.g., see this: How to make money from fracking, Peter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goat Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 No, because the gas prices are set by the price of gas from Norway, Russia and the Middle East. The volumes produced would be too low to affect things. Plus there is no guarantee it would be cheaper anyway. Is the UK set for a shale gas revolution? The British Geological Survey estimated in June that the UK has 1,300 tcf of shale gas reserves. Put into context, that is twice the size of US reserves; and just 10% of this would be enough to meet the gas needs of the UK for more than 40 years. Which is not to say that it will be possible, but if it is the effect on energy costs could be enormous. The rich might make some money from fracking, e.g., see this: How to make money from fracking, I'd be wary of posting a link to anything that appears to advocate the introduction of an international criminal offence of "ecocide". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Peter Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 Is the UK set for a shale gas revolution? The British Geological Survey estimated in June that the UK has 1,300 tcf of shale gas reserves. Put into context, that is twice the size of US reserves; and just 10% of this would be enough to meet the gas needs of the UK for more than 40 years. Which is not to say that it will be possible, but if it is the effect on energy costs could be enormous. I think that the 1,300 tcf number is the total resource, not the reserves, which is probably more like 42 tcf, according to this. But, remember, to make money from this, it's better to go with the big numbers (cf. the article above). And it pays to be well connected (pardon the pun), Peter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tankus Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 Cheaper fuel costs? Nope http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/green-living/cuadrilla-pr-man-admits-george-osbornes-shale-gas-revolution-wont-cut-energy-bills-8656246.html They are also getting tax breaks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tankus Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 More than a few people that I've met who are against fracking, are conservative voters. Large scale fracking will probably be held off until after the next elections as it could be politically significant in some rural conservative marginal seats, that are going to be fracked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Peter Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 More than a few people that I've met who are against fracking, are conservative voters. Large scale fracking will probably be held off until after the next elections as it could be politically significant in some rural conservative marginal seats, that are going to be fracked. See the article quoted above - 30,000 wells to get 42 Tcf. That's going to frack a lot of voters' preferences, Peter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@contradevian Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 More than a few people that I've met who are against fracking, are conservative voters. Large scale fracking will probably be held off until after the next elections as it could be politically significant in some rural conservative marginal seats, that are going to be fracked. Conservative voters are against anything. Strangely enough they like the rewards of a modern economy such as hot water at the turn of a tap and high house prices Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goat Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 I think that the 1,300 tcf number is the total resource, not the reserves, which is probably more like 42 tcf, according to this. Yep, the BGS does deal with the total amount of gas in the ground, the confusions between resources and reserves appears to come from the press. The key point in their report (link: Bowland Shale Gas Study) is that there is no way to estimate how much of the resource is recoverable. Your source derives a recovery rate of 3% but this could be out by a huge margin. Really there are 3 options, any of which is possible: Trivial/no viable energy supply. Moderate, generating some income and tax revenue. Huge, large enough to have a significant effect on the energy price. Going back to your original point, 2 or 3 would be of some benefit to the poor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saving For a Space Ship Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Just watching bbc 1pm news. "Frackings' effect on house prices is uncertain...." don't frighten the horses ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snugglybear Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 You do realise that the Dutch goverment has banned fracking for five years? Mainly because gas extraction by other means has already caused earthquakes. One in September this year was 3.1 on the Richter scale; the strongest so far, in 2012, was 3.6 - that's strong enough to cause structural damage. Reuters story from February this year http://www.reuters.com/article/us-netherlands-gas-groningen-idUSKBN0LM0LG20150218 Summary report from Dutch Safety Board http://www.onderzoeksraad.nl/uploads/phase-docs/844/972d8bf7f1d1summary-gaswinning-groningen-en.pdf New Scientist article on Lancashire earthquakes and fracking here. https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn21120-how-fracking-caused-earthquakes-in-the-uk/ For once, the NIMBYs have a point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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