Immigration Policy "damaging London Economy"

[@contradevian]

London is getting worried it might run out of cheap slaves from abroad. There is still plenty of cheap labour in the North! Also a lot of rather dubious London colleges might be emptier this year. If you have a legitimate reason to be here, then £3k isn't a lot to find these days. (small in fact compared to the course fee's and living costs).

http://www.cityam.co...-london-economy

And international students matter too. Education is one of our most successful export industries. The Department for Business estimated that, in 2008-09, education exports were worth roughly £15bn. Yet there is now a perception that the UK is not a welcoming place for students; hardly surprising given government initiatives such as an increasingly rigorous application system and fewer post-study working opportunities. While the Office for National Statistics estimates that 246,000 migrants arrived to study in the year to September 2011, the number fell to 190,000 in 2012. As Britain drops back, competitors like Australia and the US are aggressively marketing themselves to international students who want to study in English-speaking countries.

Edited August 1, 2013 by aSecureTenant

[spyguy]

London is getting worried it might run out of cheap slaves from abroad. There is still plenty of cheap labour in the North! Also a lot of rather dubious London colleges might be emptier this year. If you have a legitimate reason to be here, then £3k isn't a lot to find these days. (small in fact compared to the course fee's and living costs).

http://www.cityam.co...-london-economy

Education is not an export industry.

Those dodgy colleges are effectively charging students to pretend to study in return for being able to work.

Surely the simple solution is for these colleges to move the colleges to Karachi and Bangladesh and do the teaching there?

Think of the savings!

[SleepyHead]

Education is not an export industry.

Those dodgy colleges are effectively charging students to pretend to study in return for being able to work.

Surely the simple solution is for these colleges to move the colleges to Karachi and Bangladesh and do the teaching there?

Think of the savings!

Spot on.

These HE colleges are selling British citizenship, not an education.

Likewise, I heard a women describe herself as working in the "immigration industry" the other day. She didn't even realise what she said.

[admann]

Immigration is the London and UK economy. Without immigration we would have no-one educated to a sufficient standard to employ. In Science, Engineering and Finance there are almost no employees with a UK primary/secondary education under 35, simply because their maths and science education is so poor. Without immigration the high tech economy would collapse.

[tomandlu]

Immigration is the London and UK economy. Without immigration we would have no-one educated to a sufficient standard to employ. In Science, Engineering and Finance there are almost no employees with a UK primary/secondary education under 35, simply because their maths and science education is so poor. Without immigration the high tech economy would collapse.

A lot of assumptions there. I suspect the problem is more to do with the courses that people are choosing at the college level rather than failing in the secondary education system. My son is a very able mathematician, but he's not considering a career in engineering. Hardly surprising given the contempt shown towards manufacturing and engineering.

[Bloo Loo]

Immigration is the London and UK economy. Without immigration we would have no-one educated to a sufficient standard to employ. In Science, Engineering and Finance there are almost no employees with a UK primary/secondary education under 35, simply because their maths and science education is so poor. Without immigration the high tech economy would collapse.

FINANCE needs higher education?

ONLY TO BAFFLE EVERYONE ELSE INTO FAILING TO ASK QUESTIONS>>>IT IS VERY EASY OTHERWISE.

[iamnumerate]

Spot on.

These HE colleges are selling British citizenship, not an education.

Likewise, I heard a women describe herself as working in the "immigration industry" the other day. She didn't even realise what she said.

Very true. I know loads of people who study to live in the work not the other way round. It used to be the easiest way to stay here.

There should be a limit (depending on what you study of course).

[richc]

Immigration is the London and UK economy. Without immigration we would have no-one educated to a sufficient standard to employ. In Science, Engineering and Finance there are almost no employees with a UK primary/secondary education under 35, simply because their maths and science education is so poor. Without immigration the high tech economy would collapse.

Complete and total nonsense.

Do us all a favour and move to Islamabad (the epi-centre of the high tech economy where everyone is so much better educated than the British). They'll really appreciate your outlook there.

[@contradevian]

Foreign students snapping up London properties at £1000 a week!

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/wealthy-foreign-students-snap-up-london-digs-at-1000-a-week-8741210.html

So the £3000 bond is just three weeks rent. Think they should put it up a bit.

[onlyme2]

Immigration is the London and UK economy. Without immigration we would have no-one educated to a sufficient standard to employ. In Science, Engineering and Finance there are almost no employees with a UK primary/secondary education under 35, simply because their maths and science education is so poor. Without immigration the high tech economy would collapse.

Nothing like the sight of their forerunners related industries suffer the multiple whammy of low status, low (relative) pay, high workloads high responsibility and then flooded with cheap migrant labour to convince anybody with any degree of numeracy to not bother.

It only takes one generation for the message to get through. There's your under 35 hole.

[winkie]

Very true. I know loads of people who study to live in the work not the other way round. It used to be the easiest way to stay here.

There should be a limit (depending on what you study of course).

Yes...there were hundreds for many years that paid to work in the UK over and above the hours allowed....they were registered to study but never turned up for lessons....they turned up for work instead.

[goldbug9999]

Immigration is the London and UK economy. Without immigration we would have no-one educated to a sufficient standard to employ. In Science, Engineering and Finance there are almost no employees with a UK primary/secondary education under 35, simply because their maths and science education is so poor. Without immigration the high tech economy would collapse.

Well perhaps if we didnt try to import skills we would be forced to do thing about that, perhaps wages would rise to level where people would be motivated to study these things more.

By allowing immigration we prevent the job market from creating incentives for people to study, we then have pay said people to sit around and do nothing.

[Bloo Loo]

Well perhaps if we didnt try to import skills we would be forced to do thing about that, perhaps wages would rise to level where people would be motivated to study these things more.

By allowing immigration we prevent the job market from creating incentives for people to study, we then have pay said people to sit around and do nothing.

yes, we can doit ourselves...our living costs are so low.

[winkie]

Well perhaps if we didnt try to import skills we would be forced to do thing about that, perhaps wages would rise to level where people would be motivated to study these things more.

By allowing immigration we prevent the job market from creating incentives for people to study, we then have pay said people to sit around and do nothing.

No way would I pay £9k plus costs for three years for some qualification that paid a just above minimum wage job.....wouldn't recommend anyone else to do it either, waste of both valuable time and money......go abroad to study, come back to work.

[onlyme2]

London has a serious problem. They are screaming for more cheap labour thinking it will solve it. It won't. An areasonably skilled admin level job costs £40K+ to fill when all the costs are taken into consideration. Those jobs are now squarely in the ffiring line and they won't be filled by cheap labour they will be replaced by a little box with flashing lights that doesn't have all the overheads to cover before they wake up from reboot.

[@contradevian]

London has a serious problem. They are screaming for more cheap labour thinking it will solve it. It won't. An areasonably skilled admin level job costs £40K+ to fill when all the costs are taken into consideration. Those jobs are now squarely in the ffiring line and they won't be filled by cheap labour they will be replaced by a little box with flashing lights that doesn't have all the overheads to cover before they wake up from reboot.

Can't see the Barista or fast food job market surviving. Many garages already have 'Costa Coffee' machines installed and the taste is indistinguishable to that served and made by a human in a shop.

[TheCountOfNowhere]

A bloke I know said the same about the pyramid scam be joined, It would all have been okay if his gran has been able to bring another 6 people to the party.

Edited August 1, 2013 by TheCountOfNowhere

[oracle]

Well perhaps if we didnt try to import skills we would be forced to do thing about that, perhaps wages would rise to level where people would be motivated to study these things more.

By allowing immigration we prevent the job market from creating incentives for people to study, we then have pay said people to sit around and do nothing.

but it's really a bit of both isn't it?

...the well-to-do of the foreign countries come here and learn how to speak 5 or 6 diffrent languages perfectly, yet our own education system churns out people who can barely read or write(even less so good quality oral english)...for an extortionate price....and those in charge continue to blame us and tell us we're lazy.

well frankly, the people who have been utterly shat on by government officials providing a sub-quality service for our own folks need to be held to account.

no more buck passing.

it's not laziness,it's sabotage....no more ivory towers boys and girls! you've been rumbled, you're going down!(and you'll be lucky with just deportation)

Edited August 1, 2013 by oracle

[alexw]

Spot on.

These HE colleges are selling British citizenship, not an education.

Likewise, I heard a women describe herself as working in the "immigration industry" the other day. She didn't even realise what she said.

Yup. You simply need to look at the origins of the students. Its practically all from 2nd/3rd world nations.

The aim is to work while studying (some don't even study). Then after your course is finished find a job and apply for a working visa.

If I remember correctly there is a special category of working visa for those that have just finished their studies at a British university. It is extraordinarily easy to get.

[alexw]

Immigration is the London and UK economy. Without immigration we would have no-one educated to a sufficient standard to employ. In Science, Engineering and Finance there are almost no employees with a UK primary/secondary education under 35, simply because their maths and science education is so poor. Without immigration the high tech economy would collapse.

I find it ironic that we destroy the prospects of what used to be good middle class professional jobs for the working class by importing hundreds of thousands of cheap labour replacements. Then we have idiots who are unable to add 2 and 2 together, clamoring for more immigration because UK workers don't want to do those jobs anymore. Perhaps they might want to consider why UK workers nolonger wish to do those jobs......?

[PopGun]

Immigration is the London and UK economy. Without immigration we would have no-one educated to a sufficient standard to employ. In Science, Engineering and Finance there are almost no employees with a UK primary/secondary education under 35, simply because their maths and science education is so poor. Without immigration the high tech economy would collapse.

Here's a thought, how about training them yourself to your exact specification and requirements instead of relying on the tax payer?!

Another Corporate socialist mask slips...