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Met my wife when I lived there in the late 80s. Always used to go throughout my childhood too so, like you, it is a very special place to me. We still go for a couple of day trips every year with our kids and have watched its demise, but it still doesn't put me off.

The biggest shame is that The Tash and Frenchys aren't there any more. We've tried to explain to our children what they were like but words just can't do them justice, especially Frenchys.

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Went to a birthday party there (two gay blokes) so we ended up in a gay bar, as you do. 4 quid entrance, gave a twenty note to the ******* in the entrance to get in and got change for a tenner. Guy behind the counter did the same to another mate.

moral of the story, pay for stuff with tenners. And don't go to the handbag bar whatever it was called.

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The trouble is that our main cities London, Manchester, Leeds etc. are so much nicer then the seaside resorts lining our coast these days.

It is not just the cheap holidays abroad effect. It is the why on earth go to Blackpool, Scarborough, Morecambe effect.

Although I can understand the nostalgia thing and a sit in the car eating fish and chips on a wet Wednesday feeling. But is it enough for them to live on?

Blackpool did really need a mega casino.

Spot on there, especially about the casino which shouldn't have been considered for anywhere else at all.

I grew up not far from Morecambe and as a primary school kid it was a fantastic place to have on my doorstep - 2 funfairs, 2 piers and illiuminations down the prom and all round Happymount Park. These places have had their day and have just drifted off over the years. One funfair went bust, the other burnt down. One pier blew down in a storm, the other burnt down repeatedly over several years, oddly enough.

I don't think Blackpool really has a future any more other than as a venue for downmarket stag and hen do's. Morecambe on the other hand has the Midland Hotel which is now fully restored, and if the group trying to resurrect the Winter Gardens can ever succeed, then it might just have a chance to reinvent itself as the more upmarket Blackpool that it always used to be.

A big issue for both towns was that, as trade for the B&Bs started to tail off, they used to rent to DSS out of season. This brought in a load of people "with problems" from the surrounding regions, many of whom brought their problems with them, that often took the form of brown powdery substances. This fed into the spiral of decline, putting off the kind of visitors they would have preferred to have.

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I'm sure there are a million better places, but for crashmonitor nostalgia keeps dragging me back........

http://www.richardcaswell.com/BlackpoolsDemise.html

But how much of this is due to the Great Recession?

You discover in horror that Disney's first choice was Blackpool rather than Paris - blocked locally.

Stupid f***ing bastards :ph34r: They had a chance and blew it, just like English councils and NIMBIEs always do.

It's just the same with the proposed plans for expansion at Pinewood Studios.... blocked locally

The only problem with England is the English.

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I've only been the once- nominated myself to be one of Southampton Uni's delegates for the '99 NUS conference, got elected in the face of no competition at all, and had a cracking time- enjoyed all the NuLab vs. Communist sillyness on the conference floor (I only missed about 2 hours of the whole conference; in '99 student Conservatism must have been at its lowest ebb...I certainly hated the pleated skirt / blazer wearing bellends, and they got absolutely nowhere debate-wise).

I shared a room with a long haired Green Party member- he was such a nice friendly guy that I went along to some fringe meetings with him where everyone sat on the floor despite there being perfectly adequate seating everywhere! :lol:

Despite having spent nearly all of my student loan I still managed to go out and dance my **** off three nights in a row- the best one was in the massive disco under the Stakis hotel, when the token Southampton rugger bugger who'd somehow got himself along got a seated rowing conga going round the dancefloor to some unmentionable cheese- might have been 'The Lion Sleeps Tonight' now I think about it.

On the last night, dancing in the 'official end of conference' club my long haired mate pointed out to me that a lass who looked like a nice person, but was thin with big monkey ears, had taken a shine to me. He was right, she clearly had, but I was too arrogant to lower my standards. It took me a good two years after that to lose my virginity. Live and learn :rolleyes: .

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I've only been the once- nominated myself to be one of Southampton Uni's delegates for the '99 NUS conference, got elected in the face of no competition at all, and had a cracking time- enjoyed all the NuLab vs. Communist sillyness on the conference floor (I only missed about 2 hours of the whole conference; in '99 student Conservatism must have been at its lowest ebb...I certainly hated the pleated skirt / blazer wearing bellends, and they got absolutely nowhere debate-wise).

I shared a room with a long haired Green Party member- he was such a nice friendly guy that I went along to some fringe meetings with him where everyone sat on the floor despite there being perfectly adequate seating everywhere! :lol:

Despite having spent nearly all of my student loan I still managed to go out and dance my **** off three nights in a row- the best one was in the massive disco under the Stakis hotel, when the token Southampton rugger bugger who'd somehow got himself along got a seated rowing conga going round the dancefloor to some unmentionable cheese- might have been 'The Lion Sleeps Tonight' now I think about it.

On the last night, dancing in the 'official end of conference' club my long haired mate pointed out to me that a lass who looked like a nice person, but was thin with big monkey ears, had taken a shine to me. He was right, she clearly had, but I was too arrogant to lower my standards. It took me a good two years after that to lose my virginity. Live and learn :rolleyes: .

Ah we have all done that! I remember avoiding a short Swedish girl at a party! Sometimes you can't see what the opportunities are! :o

It's just not the right night for it sometimes! I don't mind thin, as long as it doesn't look "fragile", but I probably quite like monkey ears!

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Met my wife when I lived there in the late 80s. Always used to go throughout my childhood too so, like you, it is a very special place to me. We still go for a couple of day trips every year with our kids and have watched its demise, but it still doesn't put me off.

There is a griitty reality to Blackpool's demise and it is a pity they decided to update the bone-shaker trams because they were all part of the charm,,,a place stuck in a time warp. I like the Neo-classical promenade buildings on the North shore built in the 1930s and some of the former Grand Hotels which are now fraying at the edges and cater for hen nights and bus tours for the elderly. Stanley Park, again an art deco masterpiece.

A panacea to the plastic comforts and artificial delights of modern resorts. Clean, comfortable, but with no soul.

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A few years since I last went and my only real memory is walking off the coach, walking around the corner and just felt someone was aiming a sandblaster at my face.

I just remember it looking like a run down dump.

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A few years since I last went and my only real memory is walking off the coach, walking around the corner and just felt someone was aiming a sandblaster at my face.

I just remember it looking like a run down dump.

An almost constant prevailing wind from the sea that dumps sand two streets back fro the promenade down the coast at St Annes. I always end up with what appears to be sun burn but is actually sand blasting, because we walk the coast up to Fleetwood and also down to St.Annes. The locals have skin like leather.

Around the old railway station...New Bonny street and up to the South shore around the Crazy Scots the atmosphere is indeed grim.

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I love Blackpool. Spent the first night of my Honeymoon there.

I wouldn't go at peak season though, most places lose their character with sheer weight of numbers of visitors- you could be anywhere.

Usually go in by National Express, but for those of us coming from the South the M6 log jam is always a curse at peak season. Decided I will take the car this year and skirt to the East of Manchester beside Saddleworth Moor, South of Clitheroe and cut across the Fylde...because for me the journey should always be part of any break.

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Had the pleasure of living there for a few years, we moved away in 2007 I think, back down South now.

It has two "halves" - North Shore, which is mostly perfectly nice to live in, and South Shore which is mostly absolutely appalling.

As you drive into the town on the main road it forks at the end, with the nice bit being to the right after you get past the rehab centre (Devonshire road, I think) and the dreadful bit starts on the left.

The town centre is seriously depressing. It is much bigger than it needs to be for the amount of custom.

The bit in the middle looks like any other town centre with the same array of chain stores.

The bits around the edge are complete eyesores with derelict and abandoned business premises that can't be rented for any money since they're off the tourist track.

They did rebuild the shopping precinct which didn't really need rebuilding anyway. When there's so much space available much of which was and is unused it doesn't make much sense to cram the few things of interest into one place.

Some of the car parks are riddled with potholes.

The bus station is a concrete monstrosity.

At the time, the local council were trying to attract a supercasino and one said something like "We're doomed if we don't get it".

The town had a really successful nightclub attracting some top names, and the council got that shut down. (The name of it escapes me - top of the hill away from the front)

Has a thriving gay nightlife and had a great club called Flamingo's, some of the bars resembled opium dens in appearance e.g. rather squalid.

Accomodation in South Shore is dirt cheap - friends were going to a magic convention and stayed in one, they wondered what the noise behind the bed was, pulled it forward and discovered a hole in the outer wall with some pigeons nesting in it. So that's why it was cold too.

Carry on south to St. Annes and it picks up a lot - really quite pleasant.

Blackpool has the most horrendously bad drivers (it's not the tourists) - I've never known anywhere in the country where you routinely overtake people in 30mph limits without breaking the speed limit yourself. There is an unwritten law which says that at least one person must go through the traffic light after it has gone red, because when it goes green nobody actually pulls away. It has to be seen to be believed. That's why the speed limit is 30mph everywhere - to protect the idiots from themselves. Lots of drunk drivers.

25% are unemployed and the average salary was about 14.5k.

All that said, it doesn't quite have the "undercurrent" that Brighton has (keep looking over your shoulder), despite plenty of poverty, still has a "party" atmosphere and is good fun for a night or two if you want to go to the aforementioned clubs and bars or on the piers.

But it doesn't really know what it's "for" any more.

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Had the pleasure of living there for a few years, we moved away in 2007 I think, back down South now.

It has two "halves" - North Shore, which is mostly perfectly nice to live in, and South Shore which is mostly absolutely appalling.

As you drive into the town on the main road it forks at the end, with the nice bit being to the right after you get past the rehab centre (Devonshire road, I think) and the dreadful bit starts on the left.

The town centre is seriously depressing. It is much bigger than it needs to be for the amount of custom.

The bit in the middle looks like any other town centre with the same array of chain stores.

The bits around the edge are complete eyesores with derelict and abandoned business premises that can't be rented for any money since they're off the tourist track.

They did rebuild the shopping precinct which didn't really need rebuilding anyway. When there's so much space available much of which was and is unused it doesn't make much sense to cram the few things of interest into one place.

Some of the car parks are riddled with potholes.

The bus station is a concrete monstrosity.

At the time, the local council were trying to attract a supercasino and one said something like "We're doomed if we don't get it".

The town had a really successful nightclub attracting some top names, and the council got that shut down. (The name of it escapes me - top of the hill away from the front)

Has a thriving gay nightlife and had a great club called Flamingo's, some of the bars resembled opium dens in appearance e.g. rather squalid.

Accomodation in South Shore is dirt cheap - friends were going to a magic convention and stayed in one, they wondered what the noise behind the bed was, pulled it forward and discovered a hole in the outer wall with some pigeons nesting in it. So that's why it was cold too.

Carry on south to St. Annes and it picks up a lot - really quite pleasant.

Blackpool has the most horrendously bad drivers (it's not the tourists) - I've never known anywhere in the country where you routinely overtake people in 30mph limits without breaking the speed limit yourself. There is an unwritten law which says that at least one person must go through the traffic light after it has gone red, because when it goes green nobody actually pulls away. It has to be seen to be believed. That's why the speed limit is 30mph everywhere - to protect the idiots from themselves. Lots of drunk drivers.

25% are unemployed and the average salary was about 14.5k.

All that said, it doesn't quite have the "undercurrent" that Brighton has (keep looking over your shoulder), despite plenty of poverty, still has a "party" atmosphere and is good fun for a night or two if you want to go to the aforementioned clubs and bars or on the piers.

But it doesn't really know what it's "for" any more.

Something seriously wrong with Brighton, I once tried to ask a woman directions and she ran away. Agreed they don't do scary people in Blackpool quite like Brighton...and presumably the local woman considered I was one of them after her handbag.

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Something seriously wrong with Brighton, I once tried to ask a woman directions and she ran away.

PMSL

Back in Blackpool - there's a big arcade on the front which has a bar. Partner and I decided to try it.

Pair of big bouncer "hard men" either side of the door:

"Av yew got faamly in eer?"

"I'd be highly surprised if any of my family are in here."

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I heard of a case a few years ago where a teenage girl went missing in Blackpool. They never found the body but the Funny Boys takeaway, across from funny girls was thought to have ground up the cadaver and made it into burgers and kebabs and served to the public

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My knowledge of Blackpool is limited to a couple of weeks I spent up there for work, commissioning the heating controls for the Bispham Sainsbury. I stayed at St. Annes! A lot of Glaswegian was heard! :blink:

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Usually go in by National Express, but for those of us coming from the South the M6 log jam is always a curse at peak season. Decided I will take the car this year and skirt to the East of Manchester beside Saddleworth Moor, South of Clitheroe and cut across the Fylde...because for me the journey should always be part of any break.

Agreed

My last trip to Blackpool though was to see a recording of Lily Savage's TV show (in a working mens club) sometime in the 90'.s

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Wakes Week, Mr Leech! :o

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But how much of this is due to the Great Recession?

Stupid f***ing bastards :ph34r: They had a chance and blew it, just like English councils and NIMBIEs always do.

It's just the same with the proposed plans for expansion at Pinewood Studios.... blocked locally

The only problem with England is the English.

Nimbicide ?

I do like going to Blackpool once a year as it is such a spectacle of grotesque commercialism & decay.

Walked back to the car in a back street as it got dark & some of the druggies wandering about gave me a scare .

(I lived in Peckham / Kings X for 10 yrs, so don't scare easy)

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I heard of a case a few years ago where a teenage girl went missing in Blackpool. They never found the body but the Funny Boys takeaway, across from funny girls was thought to have ground up the cadaver and made it into burgers and kebabs and served to the public

Sounds made-up, doesn't it.

But it isn't.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1552482/Missing-girls-body-put-into-kebab.html

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Wakes Week, Mr Leech! :o

Yep. When I worked at the Pleasure Beach, a couple of old waitresses used to start every week by saying "It's Oldham/Rochdale/etc. this week" and even then in the late 80s there used to be the same people coming back year after year. It must have completely died out by now though.

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