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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/27/business/energy-environment/utilities-confront-fresh-threat-do-it-yourself-power.html?ref=business&_r=0

For years, power companies have watched warily as solar panels have sprouted across the nation’s rooftops. Now, in almost panicked tones, they are fighting hard to slow the spread.

Alarmed by what they say has become an existential threat to their business, utility companies are moving to roll back government incentives aimed at promoting solar energy and other renewable sources of power. At stake, the companies say, is nothing less than the future of the American electricity industry.

According to the Energy Information Administration, rooftop solar electricity — the economics of which often depend on government incentives and mandates — accounts for less than a quarter of 1 percent of the nation’s power generation.

And yet, to hear executives tell it, such power sources could ultimately threaten traditional utilities’ ability to maintain the nation’s grid.

“We did not get in front of this disruption,” Clark Gellings, a fellow at the Electric Power Research Institute, a nonprofit arm of the industry, said during a panel discussion at the annual utility convention last month. “It may be too late.”

Advocates of renewable energy — not least solar industry executives who stand to get rich from the transformation — say such statements are wildly overblown. For now, they say, the government needs to help make the economics of renewable power work for ordinary Americans. Without incentives, the young industry might wither — and with it, their own potential profits.

Clearly the end game is that every house would produce it's own energy, although the technology for that I'm guessing is along way off. What the utility companies should be doing is starting to move into installation and maintenance of solar cells. Although the utility companies are sounding like people would want to preserve the pony express as an efficient way of transporting messages across the country.

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I don't know how reliable this is - Mish:

"Proving that idiocy truly has no bounds, Spain issued a "royal decree" taxing sunlight gatherers. The state threatens fines as much as 30 million euros for those who illegally gather sunlight without paying a tax."

http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.co.uk/2013/07/spain-levies-consumption-tax-on-sunlight.html

The joy of it is the fulfillment of the petition of the candle makers.

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While so far the threat from solar panels has not been that great for the energy companies, they are now seeing solar roof tiles in the US and efficiency is increasing.

The benefits of solar roof tiles are they are a direct replacement, don't need the roof to be strengthened or altered, you get complete coverage. The efficiency isn't quite up there with solar panels but it is happening.

Energy companies either gas or electric do not want people saving on the amount of energy used. If it happens on mass they will put up their prices but this risks a backlash from the public. That is why they are trying to stifle these sort of initiatives.

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Energy companies either gas or electric do not want people saving on the amount of energy used. If it happens on mass they will put up their prices but this risks a backlash from the public. That is why they are trying to stifle these sort of initiatives.

Or they don't want to have to provide the backup power for a highly variable energy source every time the sun goes behind a cloud.

Particularly a source that's only economically viable because the government subsidizes it.

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Or they don't want to have to provide the backup power for a highly variable energy source every time the sun goes behind a cloud.

Particularly a source that's only economically viable because the government subsidizes it.

A lot of solar technology now only requires light and can work (to an extent) even on overcast days. so the sun going behind a cloud may not be a problem eventually. Also efficiency increases yearly and prices go down yearly, so subsidy may no longer be required soon, especially in sunnier countries.

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Spain is now doing the complete opposite. Abolishing feed-in-tariffs, and instead adding a feed-in-surcharge for self-consumed solar PV energy.(That's right, you have to pay a fee on any self-generated electricity that you consume). They are also applying a legal sale price cap for commercial solar installations which is set significantly below the cost of generation.

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Details of the €2.7 billion (US$3.5 billion) cost cutting for the energy sector announced last week, have left project developers, manufcaturers and consumers reeling.

Owners of solar power plants in Spain, which has more than 4GW of installed capacity, will be hit hard with months of uncertainty concluding with the government’s definitive changes.

Consumers will also be hit hard with increased levies on self-consumed solar energy now so high, that many will pay more for the electricity they generate themselves than they would for the regular grid power.

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Spain is now doing the complete opposite. Abolishing feed-in-tariffs, and instead adding a feed-in-surcharge for self-consumed solar PV energy.(That's right, you have to pay a fee on any self-generated electricity that you consume). They are also applying a legal sale price cap for commercial solar installations which is set significantly below the cost of generation.

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This just seems nuts to me, especially considering its Spain and they get lots of reliable sunshine. It sounds like there are government ministers in the pocket of big energy companies.

Why should you pay for using sunshine, generating your own resource. What is next paying to breath, on second thought forget I mentioned that.

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I wonder how this fits with their obligations under the Kyoto protocol.

At least it's a transparent signal that Govt. fears nothing more than an independent citizenry, especially wrt energy.

Wonder if there are arbitrage opportunities to buy second-hand panels in Spain and install them in Blighty.

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I don't know how reliable this is - Mish:

"Proving that idiocy truly has no bounds, Spain issued a "royal decree" taxing sunlight gatherers. The state threatens fines as much as 30 million euros for those who illegally gather sunlight without paying a tax."

http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.co.uk/2013/07/spain-levies-consumption-tax-on-sunlight.html

The joy of it is the fulfillment of the petition of the candle makers.

Ah yes the other problem if the utilities lose revenue so will the govt, we can't have the people avoiding taxes and not contributing to the greater good as decreed by our elite politicians.

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