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Its in today's Independent and Times.

Apparently they are needed so the Government can pay for pensions and care.

So where are these millions going to be housed and where are they going to find jobs?

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/07/18/uk-migrants_n_3615076.html

also

Migrants needed to pay for NHS spending or Britain will go broke, says OBR

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/migrants-needed-to-pay-for-nhs-spending-or-britain-will-go-broke-says-obr-8714224.html

Couldn't make it up!

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and there is more!!!!

Migrant chaos hits Germany

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/415336/Migrant-chaos-hits-Germany-and-we-re-next

The leaked interior ministry paper charts a rise in crime – and chaos as schools struggle to cope with an influx of children unable to speak the native language.

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Seems an excellent practical suggestion. After all the inflow of migrants over the past decade has drastically reduced the deficit and its not as if there is a shortage of housing.

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They do have a point with the NHS. Without foreign born workers, the NHS would collapse in London.

Of course we could increase spending on training more of our own, and paying them sufficient salaries (with lower tax) that they don't then need to chase better paid jobs abroad, whether in the Middle East or America. But that would mean a lot more spending, and as that Labour chappie reminded us - there is no money.

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If we hadn't saddled our young with huge student debt and massive un-payable mortgages, they could have created a few more people.

But no, to Osbourne et al, the destruction of the British must continue.

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Its in today's Independent and Times.

Apparently they are needed so the Government can pay for pensions and care.

So where are these millions going to be housed and where are they going to find jobs?

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/07/18/uk-migrants_n_3615076.html

also

Migrants needed to pay for NHS spending or Britain will go broke, says OBR

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/migrants-needed-to-pay-for-nhs-spending-or-britain-will-go-broke-says-obr-8714224.html

Couldn't make it up!

This report is one of the worst pieces of public policy analysis ever published.

What they're advocating is absurdly bad policy, built on faulty analysis, and no one is batting an eye.

On the first page of the Annex discussing immigration, it says this:

"A.2 In all our projections, natives and migrants1 are assumed to have the same

fertility, labour participation and productivity rates, although the age structure of

the net migrant inflow is different from the UK population. These are simplifying

assumptions, implicit in the ONS population projections that we use, or in our

mechanistic approach to modelling long-term trends."

That assumption is laughably not true. Migrants have lower labour participation rates and lower productivity rates, so make less of a fiscal contribution than native born people. This assumption, because it's both crucial and wrong, makes this analysis completely misleading. Boosting immigration will only make the fiscal impact of the aging population even worse.

The OBR findings contradict a more thorough analysis published last month by the OECD which compared the fiscal impact of immigration across several of the more developed economies in the OECD.

http://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/social-issues-migration-health/international-migration-outlook-2013/the-fiscal-impact-of-immigration-in-oecd-countries_migr_outlook-2013-6-en

They found that when immigrant populations age and start drawing pensions, immigration becomes highly negative from a fiscal perspective. The net impact of immigration doesn't look that bad at the moment if you average across the OECD because countries like Switzerland and Luxembourg which have significant levels of highly skilled immigrants (i.e. European and American bankers) bring up the average, and immigration in several countries is a more recent phenomenon so the immigrant populations are still pretty young and drawing fewer pension-type benefits than the population as a whole. That effect will be reversed, though, in years to come.

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They do have a point with the NHS. Without foreign born workers, the NHS would collapse in London.

Maybe in London, but that might be because 100,000s of white British Londoners have fled the capital over the last 10 years - for some strange reason

This banging on about about how the NHS would collapse if it wasn't staffed by foreigners really irritates me. I'm not a boomer, yet I am old enough to remember hospital stays in the very diversified South East of England back in the seventies and eighties when ALL the doctors and nurses who attended to my conditions and injuries did a very convincing job of appearing to be all native born white and British.

Britain is a country that invented over 50% of the world's most important inventions, yet apparently, we are far too stupid to be doctors and nurses despite the fact we were competent enough at these professions 30 years ago not to need to employ any foreigners.

You'd almost think there was a conspiracy to replace and destroy us!

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I'm just glad I was born in 1968 because by the time TSHTF, which it will undoubtedly will do, I will more than likely be worm food. dry.gif

That makes you 44/45? Not that old. How long do you think it will take for TSTHTF?

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They do have a point with the NHS. Without foreign born workers, the NHS would collapse in London.

Of course we could increase spending on training more of our own, and paying them sufficient salaries (with lower tax) that they don't then need to chase better paid jobs abroad, whether in the Middle East or America. But that would mean a lot more spending, and as that Labour chappie reminded us - there is no money.

Without foreign born workers and their children, the population of London would be cut in half. I'm sure the NHS could cope.

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If you looked at the demographic of Care of the elderly wards or stroke units etc in London hospitals then you'd see roughly a 50/50 'indiginous' (for want of a better word) - foreigner split.

The real shock comes with TB clinics, paeds and Labour wards et al. It pains me to say it but the chances of you being able to easily pronounce a surname would be remote.

The old in London will start kicking the bucket at an alarmingly rapid rate from now onwards, further exaggerating the demographic mix of London.

This is London's future. Not saying it's right or wrong, but you never had a choice.

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That makes you 44/45? Not that old. How long do you think it will take for TSTHTF?

2019/2020

Ok I have a crude theory. Not HPC related. 40 year cycle. We had the roaring 1920s, swinging 1960s and the credit slack 2000s (decades) and the subsequent decades were not so good. It's not scientific but I honestly think we are going to descend into the blind and hateful intolerance of the late 70s as I remember it as a kid of 10 or 11 at the time.

In terms of the last cycle, we're currently in Glam Rock phase.

OK, I won't be dead in 2019, but I'll be just over 50 and to be honest I'll be past caring. I was just being a bit dramatic. wink.gif

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2019/2020

Ok I have a crude theory. Not HPC related. 40 year cycle. We had the roaring 1920s, swinging 1960s and the credit slack 2000s (decades) and the subsequent decades were not so good. It's not scientific but I honestly think we are going to descend into the blind and hateful intolerance of the late 70s as I remember it as a kid of 10 or 11 at the time.

In terms of the last cycle, we're currently in Glam Rock phase.

OK, I won't be dead in 2019, but I'll be just over 50 and to be honest I'll be past caring. I was just being a bit dramatic. wink.gif

Nice to know. I thought maybe you were going all 'Logan's Run' on us. :blink:

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If you looked at the demographic of Care of the elderly wards or stroke units etc in London hospitals then you'd see roughly a 50/50 'indiginous' (for want of a better word) - foreigner split.

The real shock comes with TB clinics, paeds and Labour wards et al. It pains me to say it but the chances of you being able to easily pronounce a surname would be remote.

The old in London will start kicking the bucket at an alarmingly rapid rate from now onwards, further exaggerating the demographic mix of London.

This is London's future. Not saying it's right or wrong, but you never had a choice.

Personally I find it deeply depressing. My parents were Londoners. Both mum and dads families came from just outside London, in Hertfordshire, and it seems, had lived there since records began. If I were from the USA, perhaps we'd have a reservation and a casino. But no, not us. We're non-people. We don't come from anywhere. We have nowhere and we belong nowhere. Our land is everyone's land.

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Maybe in London, but that might be because 100,000s of white British Londoners have fled the capital over the last 10 years - for some strange reason

This banging on about about how the NHS would collapse if it wasn't staffed by foreigners really irritates me. I'm not a boomer, yet I am old enough to remember hospital stays in the very diversified South East of England back in the seventies and eighties when ALL the doctors and nurses who attended to my conditions and injuries did a very convincing job of appearing to be all native born white and British.

Britain is a country that invented over 50% of the world's most important inventions, yet apparently, we are far too stupid to be doctors and nurses despite the fact we were competent enough at these professions 30 years ago not to need to employ any foreigners.

You'd almost think there was a conspiracy to replace and destroy us!

That's what I was thinking.......and it's going very well!

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2019/2020

I honestly think we are going to descend into the blind and hateful intolerance of the late 70s as I remember it as a kid of 10 or 11 at the time.

You know, I was a teenager in the late seventies, and all this blind and hateful intolerance must have passed me by. Rather, in general, I tend to think of it as the age of disco, punk rock and reggae.

You're from Belfast of Londonderry - right?

2019/2020

OK, I won't be dead in 2019, but I'll be just over 50 and to be honest I'll be past caring. I was just being a bit dramatic. wink.gif

I'm over 50, and strangely, I'm not past caring. But each to their own.

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Lets be honest, when they say 'skilled migrants' they mean burger flippers and kebab spinners up.

If they actually stringently restricted it to doctors and the like, people might buy it.

As it stands, we all know its just to prop up the property ponzi and drive down labour costs and further erode the middle class.

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are pyramid scams illegal?

Is forcing people by threat of force to hand you money illegal? Not if it is done according to the laws laid down by parliament.

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Lets be honest, when they say 'skilled migrants' they mean burger flippers and kebab spinners up.

If they actually stringently restricted it to doctors and the like, people might buy it.

But many of these 'doctors' are not all they are cracked up to be. How many times can you recall reading, off the top of your head, about foreign doctors who could barely speak English or who gave the wrong dose of some drug because they hadn't slept for 5 days because they were moonlighting from some other European country?

I do actually have quite a lot of personal experience in this area, and whilst some foreign skilled workers are, indeed highly skilled, a hell of a lot of them aren't, perhaps most, and there doesn't seem to be much quality control.

As it stands, we all know its just to prop up the property ponzi and drive down labour costs and further erode the middle class.

Is that all? Well that a relief. I was beginning to think they wanted us all dead.

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If you looked at the demographic of Care of the elderly wards or stroke units etc in London hospitals then you'd see roughly a 50/50 'indiginous' (for want of a better word) - foreigner split.

The real shock comes with TB clinics, paeds and Labour wards et al. It pains me to say it but the chances of you being able to easily pronounce a surname would be remote.

The old in London will start kicking the bucket at an alarmingly rapid rate from now onwards, further exaggerating the demographic mix of London.

This is London's future. Not saying it's right or wrong, but you never had a choice.

It's interesting as someone with a pregnant wife so I've had relatively quite a lot of NHS exposure recently. One of the oddest things that happened was the midwife carefully explaining the effects and risks the the unborn child from parents who are carriers of sickle-cell trait. I asked if sickle-cell disease was actually ever seen in caucasian Brits, as we both are, and the midwife says it is, which surprised me somewhat. The only evidence I could subsequently find points to a ~ 2 per 1000 chance of being a carrier, and two carriers are needed which then produces a 1 in 4 chance to get a child with the disorder. A 1 in a million shot essentially, the likelihood equating to around 1 birth every other year for indigenous UK types. But all babies are screened for it regardless.

However, this presentation raises some interesting questions about it, ethnicity is very fluid and assumptions can lead to risks being overlooked based on nothing more than skintone, for example.

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&ved=0CEMQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.esrc.ac.uk%2Fmy-esrc%2Fgrants%2FRES-062-23-3225%2Foutputs%2FDownload%2F33d07692-b835-4dd0-89ba-8e0ea3d5ba20&ei=d2DoUY2WNKiW0AXP6YGICw&usg=AFQjCNHWLEgreIzGYlb2q2p4fDjbTKh2_g&bvm=bv.49478099,d.ZGU

I still think that in many cases it's a waste of resources though. Perhaps it is very cheap to test.

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