awaytogo Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 Benefit cap 'could be lowered by £6,000' I cannot believe they set the cap level at what they say in their own words THE SAME AS A AVERAGE WORKING FAMILY would get. Its a bit of a no brainier, Should i work for £26k and pay out bus fares , car parking , out of the house for 50 hours or should i sit out home and get the same with no outlay for work. Lets start making not working less attractive. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-23325667 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liquid Goldfish Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 You'd still get a lot more in work, though, after top ups. It's comparing two apples with seven oranges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awaytogo Posted July 16, 2013 Author Share Posted July 16, 2013 You'd still get a lot more in work, though, after top ups. It's comparing two apples with seven oranges. Why are so many happy to sit at home on benefits if that is the fact, I know a few. And i suspect a lot more on this forum do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wurzel Of Highbridge Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 (edited) Benefit cap 'could be lowered by £6,000' I cannot believe they set the cap level at what they say in their own words THE SAME AS A AVERAGE WORKING FAMILY would get. Its a bit of a no brainier, Should i work for £26k and pay out bus fares , car parking , out of the house for 50 hours or should i sit out home and get the same with no outlay for work. Lets start making not working less attractive. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-23325667 It's backdoor socialism/lower-phase communism being purported by the Boomers who are the main recipients of this policy. Unemployed 55yr olds etc. The older generation expect the younger generation to pickup the tab for their incompetence and laziness. IMO you would be better staying at home, opening a bank account in a different name then selling stuff you find on the beach on eBay. (if you look on ebay you will find lots doing exactly this). By working you are feeding the system. Edited July 16, 2013 by Gone to Ireland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winkie Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 You'd still get a lot more in work, though, after top ups. It's comparing two apples with seven oranges. Correct.....anyway it is more about....the high cost of living, the availability of suitable work that would add value, the skills people have that there is a demand for and our not very good education system.........long term unemployed, many have mental health, self esteem and anxiety issues have been left to fester long-term because they don't have the talent education or skills anyone employing them will pay for, little support given, left over the years to be forgotten but their predicament is good only for the people who own the homes they live in, they have gained from it..... The ones that should be getting as much support as possible are the young and recently unemployed...or else they will melt into being one of the long-term unemployed. There has been lots of money made and many jobs that have been created off the back of the sick and unemployed......so not all bad.......I would love to know that figure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest eight Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 then selling stuff you find on the beach on eBay. (if you look on ebay you will find lots doing exactly this). Not the stuff you find on my nearest beach you wouldn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liquid Goldfish Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 Why are so many happy to sit at home on benefits if that is the fact, I know a few. And i suspect a lot more on this forum do. There's definitely some who do. I think the vast majority of people want to work though. And if wages were higher and the cost of living lower then the difference for doing so would be much greater. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wurzel Of Highbridge Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 Not the stuff you find on my nearest beach you wouldn't. I used to meet quite a few interesting characters in the mobile DJ business. Most of the DJs as weddings and parties are cash in had merchants charging £200/£250 per night. That adds up to a lot when they are out two nights per week! In a way I support people working cash in hand when claiming as they are being played by politicians and banksters who couldn't give a toss about the larger community, so why should Joe Bloggs. The ONLY difference is that they (the politicians) made it illegal for Joe Bloggs not to pay tax and legal for them to skim millions from the system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winkie Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 I used to meet quite a few interesting characters in the mobile DJ business. Most of the DJs as weddings and parties are cash in had merchants charging £200/£250 per night. That adds up to a lot when they are out two nights per week! In a way I support people working cash in hand when claiming as they are being played by politicians and banksters who couldn't give a toss about the larger community, so why should Joe Bloggs. The ONLY difference is that they (the politicians) made it illegal for Joe Bloggs not to pay tax and legal for them to skim millions from the system. That could be said for other people in our society also.....nothing much said about them and the money they manage to skim from the same system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boughtin95 Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 You'd still get a lot more in work, though, after top ups. It's comparing two apples with seven oranges. Really, how does that work? I'm salaried therefore, regardless of the extra hours I work, I receive no top ups. Please enlighten me as to how I can obtain these top ups. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Executive Sadman Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 Yep...the BBC actually seemed more tory than IDS last night. They explained 70% support the cap, and of the 30% who dont, 33% of them thought it too high! IDS meanwhile described benefits as 'earners' WTF...earners? You earn things by being paid to do things, not by being paid not to do things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liquid Goldfish Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 Really, how does that work? I'm salaried therefore, regardless of the extra hours I work, I receive no top ups. Please enlighten me as to how I can obtain these top ups. How much is your salary? How many kids? How much is your rent? Do you know how much would you get in benefits if you weren't working? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boughtin95 Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 How much is your salary? How many kids? How much is your rent? Do you know how much would you get in benefits if you weren't working? Twice the national average. Two, both independent working adults. Nil, we own our property. No, I've never been out of work however, I understand it would be circa £64.00 per week JSA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkins Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 Really, how does that work? I'm salaried therefore, regardless of the extra hours I work, I receive no top ups. Please enlighten me as to how I can obtain these top ups. Have children and work only 16 hours a week so your money income remains low. The government will top up your wage to what somebody on £30k would take home. Welcome to the magical world of tax credits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liquid Goldfish Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 (edited) Twice the national average. Two, both independent working adults. Nil, we own our property. No, I've never been out of work however, I understand it would be circa £64.00 per week JSA. So your benefits would be nothing like £26K a year - and you won't be entitled to any in work top ups from the government. This discussion clearly doesn't apply to your situation. Edited July 16, 2013 by oldsport Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybong Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 (edited) IDS meanwhile described benefits as 'earners' Recently it's been very noticeable how the top tories are "getting down" and starting to express stuff "urban". Soon it won't be possible to tell the difference - all just be like "bros" "in da hood" as it were. Elections are on the way. Edited July 16, 2013 by billybong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
long time lurking Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 The only benefit that needs to be reduced is housing benefit and that needs to be done countrywide Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrtickle Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 The only benefit that needs to be reduced is housing benefit and that needs to be done countrywide No, it's not the only one. Child Tax Credit needs to be abolished, or at least capped to 1 child. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldbug9999 Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 You'd still get a lot more in work, though, after top ups.. Two wrongs dont make a right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liquid Goldfish Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 Two wrongs dont make a right. I agree. Things are monumentally messed up. The TUC said yesterday that 80% of new jobs pay £7.95 per hour. Whilst at the same time there's loads of reports of us being in a recovery because house prices are rising again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winkie Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 I agree. Things are monumentally messed up. The TUC said yesterday that 80% of new jobs pay £7.95 per hour. Whilst at the same time there's loads of reports of us being in a recovery because house prices are rising again. I can't see signs of a sustained recovery for most of the population....if they keep saying it loud enough and often enough we might start thinking and believing it ......thinking it means well on the way there? all in the mind......but the reality on the ground says, like you say is really rather different .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olliegog Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 (edited) 'Under the new system, couples and lone parents will now not receive more than £500 a week, while a £350 limit applies to single people.' quote as a single person of a certain age I get way less than £350 (how did they come about this figure) - bedsit costs about £90 a week, utilities/etc £10 a week, council tax about £25, food no more than £25 a week, bus fares etc for looking for work and sundry other items no more than £50 a week which makes a grand total of £200 - what is the other £150 for? - and I pay tax on my much less than 350 per week it seems extraordinarily generous considering couples/lone parents have a cap of £500 per week. and then the cap does not affect those who work, the disabled and some other groups so I cannot see it having much effect. editted to add: surely the cap should be set at the single person's personal tax allowance (circa 9.5K I believe) or £182 per week. Edited July 16, 2013 by olliegog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liquid Goldfish Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 'Under the new system, couples and lone parents will now not receive more than £500 a week, while a £350 limit applies to single people.' quote as a single person of a certain age I get way less than £350 (how did they come about this figure) - bedsit costs about £90 a week, utilities/etc £10 a week, council tax about £25, food no more than £25 a week, bus fares etc for looking for work and sundry other items no more than £50 a week which makes a grand total of £200 - what is the other £150 for? - and I pay tax on my much less than 350 per week it seems extraordinarily generous considering couples/lone parents have a cap of £500 per week. and then the cap does not affect those who work, the disabled and some other groups so I cannot see it having much effect. editted to add: surely the cap should be set at the single person's personal tax allowance (circa 9.5K I believe) or £182 per week. It's because of high rents in some places. Most of these very high benefit claims are due to the high rents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olliegog Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 It's because of high rents in some places. Most of these very high benefit claims are due to the high rents. take your point but surely a single person will not be paying that much for a single bedsit even in high rent areas? - I agree that a family could be hammered by high rent but I think they are excluded from the cap at the moment. back in the day as a single person I was grateful for a crummy bedsit/flat share with a gas ring to cook on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awaytogo Posted July 16, 2013 Author Share Posted July 16, 2013 No, it's not the only one. Child Tax Credit needs to be abolished, or at least capped to 1 child. I agree, there are thousands of families who breed for benefits, they do not think twice before having another child as the taxpayer will pick up the tab, were as working people have to think about affordability child minders just to mention a few facts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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