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You Are Not Unemployed - You Lack Self Reliance

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http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/youre-not-unemployed--you-lack-selfreliance-8687753.html

As political arguments go, this one should be entered for an award. A Labour MP, Simon Danczuk, was on daytime television defending the Government’s latest restrictions on unemployment benefit. The Independent’s Owen Jones disagreed; the MP became flustered and snapped: “I won’t take lectures from you – you come from the posh part of Stockport.”

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while its true, having no independent income means you lack self reliance, the inability to get that self reliance leads to lack of self confidence which makes getting the independence that much harder, and for many, the reliance that is coming in makes getting self reliance a pointless exercise.

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In Tudor Britain, when farmers were driven off the land as sheep were more profitable than people, the unemployed walked to the towns to beg, provoking Henry VIII to pass a law that beggars should have an ear cut off. Mr Danczuk would have gone on television to say: “I fully support these measures by the King. After all, I’ve spoken to people and they want ears cut.

It comes to something when a Marxist comedian can sum up the entire economic and political mentality of the UK, over the past 400-500 years in a single paragraph.

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while its true, having no independent income means you lack self reliance, the inability to get that self reliance leads to lack of self confidence which makes getting the independence that much harder, and for many, the reliance that is coming in makes getting self reliance a pointless exercise.

A very good summary, confidence comes when you are in a strong financial position and you become self reliant. Its hard starting out with nothing, and easy to get stuck in welfare if work goes badly, isn't available or you don't have the right mentoring and confidence drains away.

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Jones was born in Sheffield and grew up in Stockport, Greater Manchester.[1] He is the son of a local authority worker and an IT lecturer[2] and describes himself as a "fourth generation socialist"; his grandfather was involved with the Communist Party and his parents met as members of a Trotskyist group, the Militant tendency.[3] He attended Bramhall High School and Ridge Danyers Sixth Form college (now Cheadle and Marple Sixth Form College)[4] before reading history at University College, Oxford, graduating with a BA in 2005 and a Master of Arts in US history in 2007.[5] Prior to his media career, Jones worked as a trade union lobbyist and as a parliamentary researcher for the Labour Party.[6][7] Jones is gay[8] and lives in London

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State comprehensive in Bramhall, 6th form college then history at Oxford.

Why do people pay for Eton? weird.

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State comprehensive in Bramhall, 6th form college then history at Oxford.

Why do people pay for Eton? weird.

indeed, it seems just about anyone can be gay.

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Kinda true though. Oppenheimer Hodge was on QT last night and got asked about why all these millionaires (obviously directed at her own exceptionally blessed upbringing) are in politics. Obviously she spent the next 5 minutes rambling about something else, not answering the question.

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State comprehensive in Bramhall, 6th form college then history at Oxford.

Why do people pay for Eton? weird.

It's not what you learn there but the connections you make. You're buying into an upscale social networking service.

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It's not what you learn there but the connections you make. You're buying into an upscale social networking service.

Jones also did Art at Oxford and not PPE, so the LabourTory MP probably thought he was criminally insane.

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It is difficult to be 'self-reliant' if you can't get a job and even if you do wages are low and living costs are high.

That's why the state gives you a tax credit to help you be more self reliant by giving you better access to more debt.

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The funny thing is that when people do demonstrate some self reliance- for example by building their own homes on some unused patch of land that no one seems to care about the politicians will immediately condemn them for their audacity.

I also imagine that if some self reliant person decided that they would grow their own food on some godforsaken patch of scrubland they did not happen own those same politicians would be lining up to condemn that too.

So it's be self reliant- but not in my back yard.

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It comes to something when a Marxist comedian can sum up the entire economic and political mentality of the UK, over the past 400-500 years in a single paragraph.

Indeed. If it wasn't for those sick profit-seeking bastards, 21st century Britain could be a happy nation of subsistence farmers who are lucky to live to forty.

Back on the original topic, no authoritarian political system wants self-reliant citizens, because they don't do what they're told. That's why the government school system works so hard to eliminate any trace of self-reliance from kids.

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Indeed. If it wasn't for those sick profit-seeking bastards, 21st century Britain could be a happy nation of subsistence farmers who are lucky to live to forty.

Come now, you are not seriously suggesting the land enclosers were acting out of enlightened self interest, to increase life expectancy of the rural poor?

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Come now, you are not seriously suggesting the land enclosers were acting out of enlightened self interest, to increase life expectancy of the rural poor?

No. But that was the result.

The evil profit-seekers are the ones who increased our standard of living so we no longer have to dig dirt sixteen hours a day in the hope that our field will keep us alive for long enough to have kids before we die at forty. Perhaps you'd have preferred to live in Pol Pot's Cambodia?

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No. But that was the result.

The evil profit-seekers are the ones who increased our standard of living so we no longer have to dig dirt sixteen hours a day in the hope that our field will keep us alive for long enough to have kids before we die at forty. Perhaps you'd have preferred to live in Pol Pot's Cambodia?

Ummm no.

The standard of living of the masses forced out of the fields was god-awful. The squalor, diseases, and situations of these people was something to behold.

It is also likely that this set back progress and technological advancement by 100's of years. With a large surplus of desperate workers, it was not necessary to develop and implement new technological methods of working. Instead more bodies were just thrown at whatever was needed. It's well known that having lots of cheap labour about tends to retard capital investment.

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