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Study Reports What I've Always Said About Dope

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It kills your ambition, drive and motivation.

I lost two friends to this who went from being fun and interesting to having no interests other than spending as much time as possible sat on the sofa smoking dope.

I don't think it is a gateway drug to heroin or whatever, just an easy way to turn yourself into a total waste of space.

Smoking cannabis really DOES make people lazy because it affects the area of the brain responsible for motivation

Long-term use of the drug lowers levels of the feel-good chemical dopamine in the striatum - the area of the brain involved in motivation

Previous studies have suggested marijuana causes lethargy and apathy

Some experts describe condition caused by the drug as 'amotivational syndrome' but others say it does not exist

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2352695/Smoking-cannabis-really-DOES-make-people-lazy-affects-area-brain-responsible-motivation.html

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If it makes the sheeple even more docile and braindead, why arent the govt encouraging it? They love a docile un-bothered public.

Unless they think it will steal sales from their friends in the beer business.

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If it makes the sheeple even more docile and braindead, why arent the govt encouraging it? They love a docile un-bothered public.

Certain drugs make you think differently. Sounds a bit trite to say it, and I should add that I no longer partake, but I do believe that certain substances can provide insight when used in moderation. I agree with the OP that less is more and too much pot makes Jack a dull boy.

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Total utter ******** but keep spouting this propaganda about this medicinal plant because I've got shares in a drug company. It is cruel that so many sick people are being deprived of a safe effective medicine but at the end of the day its all about the bottom line. Also the only reason it's a gateway drug is because it introduces you to bad people that deal all kinds of drugs, if it was available on prescription it wouldn't be a gateway drug.

I've got a mate that drank himself to death and an alcoholic mother but no one gives a damn about them, where is the study on alcohol. Why isn't alcohol banned, it has no medicinal purpose? Just keep pumping these people full of useless dangerous drugs and keep the profits up.

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Total utter ******** but keep spouting this propaganda about this medicinal plant because I've got shares in a drug company.

Agree, but to be fair to the OP I think he was talking purely about motivation. I've seen many times firsthand that this can indeed be a side effect of heavy pot smoking (all drugs have side effects). That's not to say that there aren't also very many positive effects of that particular herb - the many medical benefits for a start, as you rightly point out.

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Total utter ******** but keep spouting this propaganda about this medicinal plant because I've got shares in a drug company. It is cruel that so many sick people are being deprived of a safe effective medicine but at the end of the day its all about the bottom line. Also the only reason it's a gateway drug is because it introduces you to bad people that deal all kinds of drugs, if it was available on prescription it wouldn't be a gateway drug.

I've got a mate that drank himself to death and an alcoholic mother but no one gives a damn about them, where is the study on alcohol. Why isn't alcohol banned, it has no medicinal purpose? Just keep pumping these people full of useless dangerous drugs and keep the profits up.

Did you read it?

One of my old school mates drank himself to death this year, the autopsy said there was also anti-freeze in his system and his brain shut down. I still don't think alcohol shoudl be banned nor, for that matter, cannabis. I however like the effects of alcohol upon myself and other people but loathe the anti-social effects of cannabis.

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Total utter ******** but keep spouting this propaganda about this medicinal plant because I've got shares in a drug company. It is cruel that so many sick people are being deprived of a safe effective medicine but at the end of the day its all about the bottom line. Also the only reason it's a gateway drug is because it introduces you to bad people that deal all kinds of drugs, if it was available on prescription it wouldn't be a gateway drug.

I've got a mate that drank himself to death and an alcoholic mother but no one gives a damn about them, where is the study on alcohol. Why isn't alcohol banned, it has no medicinal purpose? Just keep pumping these people full of useless dangerous drugs and keep the profits up.

A policeman I was talking to recently remarked that alcohol fuelled behaviour was more of a problem for policing than doped out junkies. In his view doped out junkies tend to sit quietly in a drug induced haze rather than lose their inhibitions and become boisterous, silly and sometimes aggressive.

Personally I prefer alcohol in moderation to other narcotics. For most a few drinks isn't as addictive or dangerous as some other drugs. In terms of health risks tobacco is clearly the most dangerous in terms of death related to usage.

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Having read up a bit on this, the side-effects of THC - the active component - do seem to vary between users.

I don't actually like alcohol very much, mostly because the high is achieved very rapidly (because I have little tolerance) and the comedown is so horrendous and unpleasant. If I am going to feel like that the next day I want more to show for the experience.

Whereas alcohol seems to exaggerate your feelings marijuana allows you to effectively switch off from the rest of the world.

Not a doctor by any means but for the sake of an analogy - if the brain is like a cave with stalactites hanging from the roof and stalagmites sticking up from the bottom which nearly touch, the thought impluses are like electrical arcs which spark across the gap and the "thought" is a combination of that electrical impulse married with a chemical that influences the emotion ("nice" thought, "bad" thought).

Alcohol just makes the sparks fly everywhere and the user loses control.

Marijuana effectively shuts down lots of the arcs so for anxious users who have lots of "random thoughts" the experience is blissful and enables the user to then control what happens much more readily. All the "noises" stop. At the same time things like colour and music appreciation are enhanced and the sense of taste is muted (so you can then eat sugary things which you wouldn't normally do).

This can enable great creativity - it's no coincidence that many of the creative industries such as music feature many marijuana users.

On the other hand, the logical part of the brain which among other things spurs users into being where they ought to be when they ought to be, taking action and making decisions basically shuts down.

The effects of alcohol wear off more quickly but both are insidious drugs and the user does not realise that a tolerance is being built ("the law of diminishing returns"). Normally I can't have more than two big cans of Budweiser without my speech starting to slur and my coordination failing. If I really go at it and drink every night I can manage four. I'm still just as useless the following day however though it is less obvious to me because I do not feel like crap. My "baseline" has altered.

I can take or leave either however some cannot. Indeed I'd say many cannot. The idea of "not drinking for two months" would fill some with horror whereas I wouldn't have a problem with it. Actually, and as a nod to my own personality - I'd rather there wasn't any in the fridge.

Used recreationally I think both can be good for you.

Some people cannot use recreationally and develop a dependency - for instance to mask underlying anxiety which comes back with some force if the drug is taken away ("the addictive personality") which I think is a part of most, though not all, of us. If marijuana were not available, would heavy users revert to alcohol instead? In my opinion yes.

Marijuana, used very regularly, and in my opinion, does indeed sap motivation and drive, and causes people to "leave things until the last minute", to not respond to things which are obvious priorities, and to withdraw - in time - from everything else except marijuana.

While in summary I would however agree with the article I think it's more to do with the person than the drug itself, I think both can be dangerous and of the two I'd say alcohol is the more dangerous because it can cause you to do things - not good things - that you might not ordinarily do - because of the loss of self control.

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It kills your ambition, drive and motivation.

I lost two friends to this who went from being fun and interesting to having no interests other than spending as much time as possible sat on the sofa smoking dope.

You are confusing cause and effect. :rolleyes:

Smoking weed expands your mind and makes you realise in what a shit system we live and how pointless many of the things we do are and this causes some people to withdraw from life.

It's the corrupt system we are in that's the cause, not smoking weed.

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Why is life so full of uppers and downers......is it because reality is so hard to bare?

The big problem with all this is take too much of the cover ups and so take away the good as well as the bad bits that life has to offer.......best to face up and take the rough with the smooth then see to it to wear down the rough to make it smooth or else it will all end up being rough. ;)

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You are confusing cause and effect. :rolleyes:

Smoking weed expands your mind and makes you realise in what a shit system we live and how pointless many of the things we do are and this causes some people to withdraw from life.

It's the corrupt system we are in that's the cause, not smoking weed.

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You are confusing cause and effect. :rolleyes:

Smoking weed expands your mind and makes you realise in what a shit system we live and how pointless many of the things we do are and this causes some people to withdraw from life.

It's the corrupt system we are in that's the cause, not smoking weed.

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I don't think any HPC'er needs weed to reach that conclusion...

Marijuana, used very regularly, and in my opinion, does indeed sap motivation and drive, and causes people to "leave things until the last minute", to not respond to things which are obvious priorities, and to withdraw - in time - from everything else except marijuana.

...on the other hand, is it just an excuse then?

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It kills your ambition, drive and motivation.

I lost two friends to this who went from being fun and interesting to having no interests other than spending as much time as possible sat on the sofa smoking dope.

I don't think it is a gateway drug to heroin or whatever, just an easy way to turn yourself into a total waste of space.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2352695/Smoking-cannabis-really-DOES-make-people-lazy-affects-area-brain-responsible-motivation.html

I can't help but agree. When I was at university, I, like most of my friends had the odd spliff at a party, giggled a bit and that was it. Personally, I wasn't that keen on dope, preferring alcohol and, when I could get it, whizz. But a couple of good friends seemed to get completely hooked on the stuff and, just as you describe, changed from being fun, smart people into boring zombies. Last I heard of them, one was living back with his mum (in his 30s!) and the other had got religion in a big way. It was as though their brains were wired to be particularly susceptible to dope.

Not that I want to downplay the effects of alcohol or any other drug. Alcohol is my personal bugbear, and I have to keep close control on my consumption, having flirted with alcoholism in the past. I don't keep spirits in the house because I know the temptation will be too strong to finish the bottle. I wouldn't want to be teetotal though!

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I can't help but agree. When I was at university, I, like most of my friends had the odd spliff at a party, giggled a bit and that was it. Personally, I wasn't that keen on dope, preferring alcohol and, when I could get it, whizz. But a couple of good friends seemed to get completely hooked on the stuff and, just as you describe, changed from being fun, smart people into boring zombies. Last I heard of them, one was living back with his mum (in his 30s!) and the other had got religion in a big way. It was as though their brains were wired to be particularly susceptible to dope.

Not that I want to downplay the effects of alcohol or any other drug. Alcohol is my personal bugbear, and I have to keep close control on my consumption, having flirted with alcoholism in the past. I don't keep spirits in the house because I know the temptation will be too strong to finish the bottle. I wouldn't want to be teetotal though!

My experience also. Enjoyed the taste but used to give me negative thoughts. My best friend is a trustafarian. Smoked dope daily since he was 14. Now it could be that his large trust fund has sucked all the motivation and ambition out of him or it could be the weed. Most likely a combo of both. He hasn't worked for 10 years and is the most indecisive person I know.

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Why is life so full of uppers and downers......is it because reality is so hard to bare?

The big problem with all this is take too much of the cover ups and so take away the good as well as the bad bits that life has to offer.......best to face up and take the rough with the smooth then see to it to wear down the rough to make it smooth or else it will all end up being rough. ;)

Reality is hard work sometimes. Some people find an escape through drink or drugs.

Local police have said about some local skunk users being locked up in the nuthouse cos they've just lost it. That's not good.

Excess of alcohol is the cause of many problems. I wouldn't want it banned though.

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I think the main problem is, that not doing very much destroys your motivation and interest in life generally (confirmed from personal experience) and smoking dope makes doing nothing so pleasant, that you don't feel the need to do anything about it (unconfirmed).

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I don't know what it's like in the UK at the moment, but I have run into quite a few young europeans who smoke it like we drink tea, and it doesn't seem to have done their drive and ambition any harm, in the short term.

i.e.I'd like to know if the study was a properly controlled blind comparison, because otherwise, if you just pick a load of dope fiends out of the population, a large proportion would be already "alternative lifestyle" types (formerly known as "drop outs")

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It comes down to moderation and knowing your personal limit IMO.

I've done many drugs, as have most of my friends. Thing is we only did them maybe 3 or 4 times a month, usually on the weekend when we were out in Town. One guy I know though began using Dope on a more and more regular basis. It has gotten to the point where he keeps getting sacked from jobs because he is stoned out of his mind throughout the day. Literally every post he sticks on facebook is about either how good his green is or he's asking people if they know where he can get his hands on more of the stuff. He literally wakes up, smokes a joint before he is even out of bed. He has no ambition from what I am guessing, he only works to get money to get more dope adn seems very content with that lifestyle.

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Doing too much of anything screws you up.

Comments like "it's not as bad as alcohol" are a distraction from the real issue.

Unfortunately what over indulgence does to people is generally something people only realise through personal experience. Because it takes years often for alcohol/weed to screw you up and generally people only start this sort of stuff late teens early twenties often it is not until you are in your mid thirties/early forties that you being to see what the effect of over indulgence in anything actually does, on your self and the people around you. Often by then it is too late.

If you are smoking a load of fags a day, drinking too much alcohol a week, severely overweight or smoking a load of weed you are screwing yourself up. How much "too much" is a bit difficult to define, as we are all different.

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You are confusing cause and effect. :rolleyes:

Smoking weed expands your mind and makes you realise in what a shit system we live and how pointless many of the things we do are and this causes some people to withdraw from life.

It's the corrupt system we are in that's the cause, not smoking weed.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrvHTfxG1AA

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Drugs, Alcohol, Porn, Junk Food. Facebook.

It's all the same thing to the best of my knowledge.

They all hit the pleasure centers of your brain, and over time certain people are susceptible to becoming desensitized. For example there has been a massive increase in the past decade guys in their 20's who either can't get an erection, or can only get an erection to porn, because of physical changes in the brain.

The answer is not to ban all of the above, because that just adds to it's allure. The answer is to educate people on the dangers of overdoing them, and fact that some people have addictive brains and will get hooked very quickly.

Of course a lot of people who are hooked on one of the above are doing so to escape their unhappiness, and could benefit from sort of therapy to get to the root of their problems. But such treatment is time consuming and expensive, and the NHS is not equipped for such things.

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