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[Qetesuesi]

If I have an imaginary friend called bob and I talk to him all the time in public I would be classified as mentally ill, how is this any different from a religious idiot.

Here's a clue: have a good, long, careful think about these photos.

[happy_renting]

I recall some time ago that the BNP used gangs of Muslim/Asian men raping underage girls as part of their GE campaign.

It was censored as being so racist as to be illegal. Unfortunately it now turns out that the BNP were right and that the mainstream media and the establishment were wrong.

And thats really coming to something - when the BNP have it nailed and the supposedly respectable mainstream simply plays the race card.

Right? About what?

Gangs of white men rape underage girls too.

Not all Muslim /Asian men are in gangs that rape underage girls.

All is that is nailed is your racism.

[DeepLurker]

Right? About what?

Gangs of white men rape underage girls too.

Not all Muslim /Asian men are in gangs that rape underage girls.

All is that is nailed is your racism.

If you'll please stop frothing at the mouth for just a second - I think that Stug III's point is that the BNP claimed that "something" was happening, but that they were stopped from saying it because it was "racist" (a.k.a. "thoughtcrime") to even say it.

It turns out that they were right - there are Muslim/Asian gangs raping underage girls. The scale of the problem, or whether "white" gangs are also at it, is irrelevant - the problem is that the BNP turned out to be the ones who were saying things as they were, and the "sensible" parties were trying to suppress the truth.

And when the extremist parties are the only ones talking the truth, we have a big problem.

[wherebee]

I love that line 'not all muslim/asian men rape XXXX"

correct. 100% correct.

However, it's also true to say that not all great white sharks eat people. But I lived in Australia long enough to know that you don't let one live in your swimming pool and play with your kids.

The fact that the issue of "do Muslim men in the UK disproportionately commite sex crimes" cannot even be debated is, for me, one of the best examples of why muzzling of free speech is so dangerous and must always be resisted.

[Bloo Loo]

I am always wary of the phrase 'muslim leaders'. Islam being a religion, a muslim leader would, strictly, always be an Imam or other cleric by definition. What they preach is their own business, as long as it is within the law of the country.

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the law of the Country....and if the Law is wrong...are they allowed to preach against it?...we at HPC constantly ask for the law to be enforced against banker stealing...is this worse than preaching against a law?

[StuG III]

Right? About what?

Gangs of white men rape underage girls too.

Not all Muslim /Asian men are in gangs that rape underage girls.

All is that is nailed is your racism.

You might want to point out where I said that all Muslims/Asian are in gangs that rape underage girls or where I said that no white men are in gangs that rape underage girls.

Your accusation of racism makes my point quite eloquently though. And its fear of accusations of racism that prevented the authorities doing anything about it for far too long.

[happy_renting]

Yest people here are eager to talk about gangs of asian/muslim raping white girls, but are not so vociferous about white gangs doing the same.

[happy_renting]

Your accusation of racism makes my point quite eloquently though. And its fear of accusations of racism that prevented the authorities doing anything about it for far too long.

The BNP are well known to be a racist organisation. If you simply wanted to discuss asian/muslim gangs, there was no need to bring up the BNP.

I asked what the BNP was 'right' about? Which you haven't answered. What, exactly did they say about these gangs.You merely indicate that they mentioned the gangs, not exactly what accusations they were making. It is being presented here as victimisation of the odious BNP.

I think you are glossing over the true nature and extent of what the BNP were saying. You accuse me of playing the 'racism' card; I accuse you of playing the 'victim' card.

Edit: I do agree with you that fears of accusation of racism prevented, or rather, deterred, the authorities doing anything about it for far too long.

[Riedquat]

Unfortunately there exist gangs of men who rape. Why actually bother mentioning what superstitious claptrap they happen to believe in or what part of the world most of their ancestors are from? Either out of a genuine concern that there's an unusually high proportion of people from such backgrounds or racism. It usually looks like the latter if it's without any other context.

[happy_renting]

If you'll please stop frothing at the mouth for just a second

Lame and gratuitous ad hominem. Don't get your knickers in a twist about it.

[StuG III]

The BNP are well known to be a racist organisation. If you simply wanted to discuss asian/muslim gangs, there was no need to bring up the BNP.

I asked what the BNP was 'right' about?

I dont dispute that the BNP is racist. Not even the BNP disputes that. So what?

There was a need to bring them up because their GE PPB was censored by the MSM for saying that gangs of muslim/asian men were grooming and raping underage white girls. That is a fact. It is also a fact they were right.

Which you haven't answered. What, exactly did they say about these gangs.You merely indicate that they mentioned the gangs, not exactly what accusations they were making. It is being presented here as victimisation of the odious BNP.

Well, given the fact that their PPB was censored, its hard to say exactly what they said but this was widely reported at the time. Are you really denying that this happened?

I agree that the BNP is odious. I also agree that sometimes odious people are right. And when the mainstream slaps down those odious ones even though they are right and insists that the contrary is correct, well that gives me cause for much concern.

Its not just a slapping down either. Nick Griffin was arrested and tried on criminal charges (partly) for saying that homegrown islamist terrorism was a real threat. His trial in 2006 ended up as a bit of farce after the events of July 2005 proved him to be......... depressingly right again.

[happy_renting]

I dont dispute that the BNP is racist. Not even the BNP disputes that. So what?

There was a need to bring them up because their GE PPB was censored by the MSM for saying that gangs of muslim/asian men were grooming and raping underage white girls. That is a fact. It is also a fact they were right.

Well, given the fact that their PPB was censored, its hard to say exactly what they said but this was widely reported at the time. Are you really denying that this happened?

I agree that the BNP is odious. I also agree that sometimes odious people are right. And when the mainstream slaps down those odious ones even though they are right and insists that the contrary is correct, well that gives me cause for much concern.

Its not just a slapping down either. Nick Griffin was arrested and tried on criminal charges (partly) for saying that homegrown islamist terrorism was a real threat. His trial in 2006 ended up as a bit of farce after the events of July 2005 proved him to be......... depressingly right again.

OK, it seems that we are not too divergent in opinion.

I apologise for calling you a racist. Though I would counsel you against making statements that the BNP were right all along without you knowing what the BNP said, from an account that uses the name and photo of one of the Nazi's choice weapons. It doesn't create a good impression.

[Bloo Loo]

The BNP are well known to be a racist organisation. If you simply wanted to discuss asian/muslim gangs, there was no need to bring up the BNP.

I asked what the BNP was 'right' about? Which you haven't answered. What, exactly did they say about these gangs.You merely indicate that they mentioned the gangs, not exactly what accusations they were making. It is being presented here as victimisation of the odious BNP.

I think you are glossing over the true nature and extent of what the BNP were saying. You accuse me of playing the 'racism' card; I accuse you of playing the 'victim' card.

Edit: I do agree with you that fears of accusation of racism prevented, or rather, deterred, the authorities doing anything about it for far too long.

just asking, but what is wrong with racism, when compared to say, having money and not having money, when it comes to preferential lifestyle or treatment?

[Executive Sadman]

Right? About what?

Gangs of white men rape underage girls too.

Not all Muslim /Asian men are in gangs that rape underage girls.

All is that is nailed is your racism.

And dont the BBC like to tell us...

I dont see how its 'racist' to illustrate how its ok for the BBC to actually be racist and cover up crimes done by islam and focus on crimes done by those who dont follow Islam, but completely unacceptable for the BNP to do the same.

[winkie]

Yest people here are eager to talk about gangs of asian/muslim raping white girls, but are not so vociferous about white gangs doing the same.

...forget religion for a moment....yes, you get all types of men raping girls ....the question is why is it the asian men only seem to rape white girls not the young girls of their own race......respect.

[Executive Sadman]

just asking, but what is wrong with racism, when compared to say, having money and not having money, when it comes to preferential lifestyle or treatment?

Nothing. Its for the most part daft and wrong, but so are most things people spend their time thinking about. The Japanese have argurably practiced it for decades and since 1945, rejected racism combined with government, (but also rejected so-called 'civil rights' which, as we know from the US, simply replaced forced segregation with forced integration, rather than freedom of association for all) and is one of the safest, biggest aid giving, and responsible nations out there.

Its not racism as such that is a problem, everyone is prejudiced against something on some level, Its when racism is combined with government, just like any other ism combined with government(centralized) authority. Regime of Genghis Khan...Wiped out bigger percentage of world population than Hilter or the soviets. But he wasn't a 'racist', he recruited people to enforce his regime from all races. Doesnt make him any less of a warmongering criminal to my mind. Only some mass-murders have been the result of race based theories. All mass murders have been the result of centralized authorities. The precise ideology, racial or not, is irrelevant. Government/centralized authority is always the common denominator when mass murder occurs, whether its the jews they dont like, as in germany, anyone middle class, as in Russia, or any one not muslim, as in parts of the middle east and now apparently North Africa. Get rid of government or centralized authority and you wont even have to worry about racism/classism/islamic extremism.

[Guest eight]

...forget religion for a moment....yes, you get all types of men raping girls ....the question is why is it the asian men only seem to rape white girls not the young girls of their own race......respect.

Three expressions that were indeed conspicuously absent from the BBC's reporting of the Oxford gang were "paedophile", "rascist" and that new old chestnut "hate crime".

I suppose one redeeming feature of the gang was that there was no suggestion that they had been viewing child pornography online. Although they were probably too busy, what with all the time they were spending ****ing children.

[Niall of the Nine Hostages]

Unfortunately there exist gangs of men who rape. Why actually bother mentioning what superstitious claptrap they happen to believe in or what part of the world most of their ancestors are from? Either out of a genuine concern that there's an unusually high proportion of people from such backgrounds or racism. It usually looks like the latter if it's without any other context.

This is the second time this has come up on this thread and I'm beginning to think this is interesting. It seems as though some wish the Muslim and/or Asian aspect would go away, or argue it is irrelevant.

What occurs to me, is that if motive is irrelevant, and the victims not being the same religion as the perps was part of the motive for chossing them as victims, then you must surely think that the very notion of a 'hate crime' is wrong - correct?

Also, can the posters that have mentioned white grooming gangs post some links to show this is as common a phenomenon as the Asian-Muslim grooming gang phenomenon - because I've never heard of it.

I saw it on the telly in the Liam Neeson film Taken but...thats Hollywood and in case they were Albanians and although Europeans and arguably white, being Albanians that would make them also Muslims - right?

[Niall of the Nine Hostages]

Three expressions that were indeed conspicuously absent from the BBC's reporting of the Oxford gang were "paedophile", "rascist" and that new old chestnut "hate crime".

I suppose one redeeming feature of the gang was that there was no suggestion that they had been viewing child pornography online. Although they were probably too busy, what with all the time they were spending ****ing children.

There's an interesting thing. I haven't been reading this stuff, but surely they were hate crimes?

[Executive Sadman]

...forget religion for a moment....yes, you get all types of men raping girls ....the question is why is it the asian men only seem to rape white girls not the young girls of their own race......respect.

At a guess, its because they're easy targets. Most of the abused are probably raised by single mothers, no father figure, mother is overwhelmed and kids are out of control, fully sold the marxist lies and misinformation that the state knows best (when in fact more often than not its those same state run institutions which are rammed full of marxist paedos who are either doing the abusing themselves or pimping out the kids). There certainly seem to be far higher amounts of healthy traditional two parent nuclear families that give a damn about what their kids are doing among minority groups than there is in the white population. If you have parents who give a damn about where you are at 3 in the morning or why youve disappeared for a couple of days, your risk is probably a lot lower.

OTOH, who knows, maybe they just keep it quiet when it happens to other muslims and deal with it in sharia courts or what have you... Channel 4 did an expose on Jewish rabbi paedos recently, and most cases of abuse there seemed to be within the jewish community rather than targeting non-jews.

[Riedquat]

This is the second time this has come up on this thread and I'm beginning to think this is interesting. It seems as though some wish the Muslim and/or Asian aspect would go away, or argue it is irrelevant.

What occurs to me, is that if motive is irrelevant, and the victims not being the same religion as the perps was part of the motive for chossing them as victims, then you must surely think that the very notion of a 'hate crime' is wrong - correct?

Also, can the posters that have mentioned white grooming gangs post some links to show this is as common a phenomenon as the Asian-Muslim grooming gang phenomenon - because I've never heard of it.

I saw it on the telly in the Liam Neeson film Taken but...thats Hollywood and in case they were Albanians and although Europeans and arguably white, being Albanians that would make them also Muslims - right?

I don't know if it's relevent or not but my point was if we don't know whether or not it's relevent then why even mention it. Your second point is also rather disturbing, since it's operating on an assumption that Asian-Muslim gangs are more common and it's up to someone else to demonstrate otherwise.

I'm not arguing that there is no Muslim and / or Asian aspect, or that it's irrelevent. I'm arguing that we don't know if t is relevent and without that knowledge why even mention it?

[wherebee]

Nothing. Its for the most part daft and wrong, but so are most things people spend their time thinking about. The Japanese have argurably practiced it for decades and since 1945, rejected racism combined with government, (but also rejected so-called 'civil rights' which, as we know from the US, simply replaced forced segregation with forced integration, rather than freedom of association for all) and is one of the safest, biggest aid giving, and responsible nations out there.

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sorry, are you trying to claim the japanese are not still racist? now I have entered a parallel reality in which black is white. They (and many other Asian nations) are MASSIVELY racist.

Anyway, back to the point in hand - if specific crimes are disproportionately committed by certain sections of the population, a failure to investigate the root cause becuase of sensitivity to charges of racism is a massive massive failure on many levels. Want another example?

My link

[winkie]

At a guess, its because they're easy targets. Most of the abused are probably raised by single mothers, no father figure, mother is overwhelmed and kids are out of control, fully sold the marxist lies and misinformation that the state knows best (when in fact more often than not its those same state run institutions which are rammed full of marxist paedos who are either doing the abusing themselves or pimping out the kids). There certainly seem to be far higher amounts of healthy traditional two parent nuclear families that give a damn about what their kids are doing among minority groups than there is in the white population. If you have parents who give a damn about where you are at 3 in the morning or why youve disappeared for a couple of days, your risk is probably a lot lower.

OTOH, who knows, maybe they just keep it quiet when it happens to other muslims and deal with it in sharia courts or what have you... Channel 4 did an expose on Jewish rabbi paedos recently, and most cases of abuse there seemed to be within the jewish community rather than targeting non-jews.

Easy targets, what.....heard it all now.....I think certain men have little respect for all women/girls and even less respect for other women/girls.

[Executive Sadman]

sorry, are you trying to claim the japanese are not still racist? now I have entered a parallel reality in which black is white. They (and many other Asian nations) are MASSIVELY racist.

Anyway, back to the point in hand - if specific crimes are disproportionately committed by certain sections of the population, a failure to investigate the root cause becuase of sensitivity to charges of racism is a massive massive failure on many levels. Want another example?

My link

Their government is not using its appendages in a racist manner, no. They are not using their military to invade countries to try and gain lebensraum or impose their racial superiority or what have you. Sure many Asians are racists, to me that doesn't matter much so long as they're not engaged in genocide or taking over the airwaves to proclaim their assumed superiority. We and the yanks on the other hand may have turned non-racist and actively celebrate it in some ironic festival of self congratulation whilst at the same time frequently start wars of aggression to impose our culture on sovereign nations. Who is the better global citizen? The 'racist' Japs, or the 'non-racist' yanks? Id guess most people have a far higher opinion of those racist japs than those inclusive yanks.

[Executive Sadman]

Easy targets, what.....heard it all now.....I think certain men have little respect for all women/girls and even less respect for other women/girls.

Well you dont see many preteen/teen hindu/sikh/Muslim girls dressed like whores and shouting and screaming and pissed out their heads on cider loitering on street corners at 3 in the morning, do you? In some deprived towns theres no shortage of white girls doing just that.

Im not trying to excuse it, merely account for it.